Do you have questions for a Bengals fan?
Hey Rams fans. I'm posting over here from CincyJungle, returning the courtesy extended to us by your editor 3k. If you have any questions about the Cincinnati football team in these days leading up to our Thursday game, feel free to ask them here and I'll answer to the best of my ability!
The Bengals are reputed for criminal records and, I dunno, being the Bungles (which I contend we will not be this year!). Despite your recent problems, at least you've made a Superbowl appearance that I can remember. Maybe this will be the year for a StL-Cin Superbowl! What do you think the odds are on that?
Anyway, please fire away any questions you have here!
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With all the problems the Bengals have had...
how is the fan support? In all my travels, I had never met someone who actually admitted to be a Bengals fan until about 5 years ago, and all that guy did was bitch about how much he thought the team sucked. But I have always had the impression that the fanbase in Cincy was pretty decent, at least I never heard anyone complain about it. Are you guys keeping up your enthusiasm in these challenging times?
by tbell61 on Aug 24, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They sold out 44 straight games, but the season opener against the Broncos at home is not sold out.
This Thursdays Rams game looks like it’s going to be blacked out. Things are not going well, as far as Bengals fans are concerned.
A blog called WhoDeyRevolution is taking action against Mike Brown, most recently in the form of flying prop planes with messages demanding results and a GM. They also called for a boycott, and ticket sales are definitely down this year. The only home games that sold out are the Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Chicago games – which the visiting fans ostensibly helped sell out.
by jsl413 on Aug 24, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
I wanted to add something jsl wrote. Support for the team is still pretty high and you have understand something. There’s kind of this kinship among Bengals fans for our team — yea, we support the same team, but we can acknowledge each other with a sigh and nearly 20 years of frustration can be expressed within that sigh.
However, there is increased optimism this year. Along with the draft that many fans approved of, the Bengals are getting Carson Palmer and Keith Rivers back. Plus we’re going to see what we have with Cedric Benson for a full season, as well as your former boy Brian Leonard.
But jsl is right. There is no longer a season ticket holder waiting list and several games are at risk of being blacked out. However, once the team starts winning this year, I believe fans will return in droves. I know how that sounds — kind of a bandwagon thing. But there’s this deep resentment with the owner Mike Brown and many fans believe that if attendance figures are down, that the team will change it’s operating philosophy. Once the team wins, people will stop caring about that and return to the stadium.
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by Kirkendall on Aug 25, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And just sayin':
Mike Brown’s pockets won’t hurt if games aren’t sold out. He had to deal with that before the 44-game sell out streak. It’ll just piss off fans that want to watch the game live.
by jsl413 on Aug 25, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two words, in question form
Andre Smith?
Your uncle molests collies.
by 3k on Aug 24, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me started.
Well, you did. Here’s a shot version (we had a long debate about this today at CJ). Al Davis screwed the slotting system by giving Heward-Bey a ridiculous contract that far exceeded the typical year-to-year increase. The 5th overall pick, Matt Sanchez, is a quarterback. Sanchez’s contract is worth up to $60M., Heyward Bey’s is worth about $38M. Smith’s agent, Alvin Keels, is apparently looking for $40M, which would be more than Heyward-Bey’s 7th overall contract (Smith was the 6th pick, screw Al Davis). Katie Blackburn and Mike Brown have shown no interest in paying Smith according to his slot this year (something like 45M) because the contracts he’s between are exceptions, not the norm.
So we’re at an impasse where Bengals fans are blaming everyone. Some are blaming Mike Brown for not ponying up the money. Some are blaming Andre Smith for not taking a contract so he can play football, even though the Bengals best offer is something like $33M (less than Heyward-Bey). I personally blame Davis for creating this situation. But the Bengals seem to be the culprit in not getting the deal done. Keels seemed really peaved – I really don’t think the Bengals are budging.
It’ll be a while if he gets signed at all. Unfortunately, a lot of us won’t be surprised if he gets traded or sits out this season. That would be a lose-lose, because Smith is not going to get any money next year at all, and the Bengals are out another first round draft pick.
by jsl413 on Aug 24, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alvin Keels just tweeted something enraging.
“”http://twitter.com/AlvinKeels/statuses/3514563647" target="new">Can you explain why they are $4 million under last year’s pick Gholston? I am being the creative one here. “fair is fair”"
by jsl413 on Aug 24, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
that the Bengals are out-of-line by not respecting the slotting system and giving Andre Smith what he deserves. As the sixth overall pick, he deserves to be compensated with something in between what Mark Sanchez and Darrius Heyward-Bey received. On Hard Knocks, Katie Blackburn has repeatedly told agent Alvin Keels that the Bengals won’t give Smith more money than DHB. Do you agree with me that the Bengals are out-of-line?
by BruinFanBaby on Aug 24, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there are a few sides to the debate.
But I’m not that far from siding with you. I think there should be some sort of compromise, but the Smith ought to be paid more than Heyward-Bey, and that’s going to be the crux of the debate.
by jsl413 on Aug 24, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guaranteed dollars are more important than the top end
In NFL contracts, only the guaranteed money is worth looking at. The contract signings always say as a caveat “could be worth up to”, then usually tout some number that the team has no intention of paying. Of Hey-Bey’s announced $38 million contract, only 2/3 is hard money. Here’s the relevant slotting, in guaranteed money terms:
2007: Salary Cap – $109 mil
5th pick: Levi Brown (OT): 18.05 mil guaranteed over 5 years
6th pick: LaRon Landry (S): $17.5 mil guaranteed over 5 years
7th pick: Adrian Peterson (RB): $17 mil guaranteed over 6 years, with multiple reachable contract escalators
2008: Salary Cap – $116 mil
5th pick: Glenn Dorsey (DT): $22.5 mil guaranteed over 5 years
6th pick: Vernon Gholston (LB): $21 mil guaranteed over 5 years
7th pick: Sedrick Ellis (DT): $19.5 mil guaranteed over 5 years
2009: Salary Cap – $127 mil
5th pick: Mark Sanchez (QB): $28 mil guaranteed over five years, plus $6 mil in reachable incentives
6th pick: Andre Smith (OT): ???
7th pick: Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR): $23.5 mil guaranteed over 5 years
So you can see, in 2008 as in 2009, the 7th overall pick is getting as much or more guaranteed money than the 5th overall pick of the season before. The DHB contract is not completely slot-busting, it’s just the nature of contracts. It’s also worth noting that the NFL salary cap has increased from $109 mil in 2007 $116 mil in 2008 to $127 mil in 2009. Vernon Gholston’s guaranteed salary counted 4.5% of the cap in his signing year. Hey-Bey’s guaranteed salary counts only 3.7% of the Raiders’ cap this year.
Mike Brown is solely at fault here, if he isn’t willing to pony up.
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by taiko on Aug 25, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially given Keels' tweet from yesterday...
About the latest offer still being 4M less than Gholston. That’s probably not talking about guaranteed money, but that’s certainly saying something. I don’t think should be a divisive debate at all anymore. It’s very clear cut to me, and I agree with your conclusion and analysis here. And man, what a steal the Vikes got, AP at #7 overall! That worked out well.
by jsl413 on Aug 25, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
We ran a poll on CincyJungle and 1,300 responded to the question of who they support. Keels (who reportedly just wants the slotting system) or Mike Brown (who is more or less taking the position that rookie contracts are just too much).
I think both arguments can be made — especially rookie contracts which is gaining support among veteran players, owners and the Commissioner. However, more importantly (and relevant to right now), the slotting system IS the system teams use and Brown should be willing to pay — it wouldn’t matter if it’s Smith or whomever. When you’re the sixth pick, you’re going to pay.
54% supported Andre Smith (Alvin Keels)
45% supported Mike Brown
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by Kirkendall on Aug 25, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are strong results
If Andre Smith was in any way a sympathetic character, those results would probably be much more lopsided. I have to imagine that a large contingent of the 45% is essentially an “anti greedy athlete” vote, and considering how little work Smith has done since the bowl season, how little good faith he’s earned, the fact that 55% of 1300 people side with him and his agent is remarkable.
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by taiko on Aug 28, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should Carson Palmer
go down in the regular season, how confident are you in J.T. O’Sullivan? I think he’s looked solid in both preseason games so far, but against New Orleans he battled the Saints second-string defense. He seems to be connecting with Chris Henry and has performed well enough to solidify his standing as the No.2.
by BruinFanBaby on Aug 24, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He looks a lot better than Ryan Fitzpatrick
But that’s not saying much, because Ryan Fitzpatrick is absolutely terrible. Well, he was for the Bengals anyway. JTO has looked solid in the preseason, but there’s pretty much no way the Bengals will be competitive if Carson goes down. Hopefully he recovers from his ankle sprain in time to play in the fourth preseason game and develop a little rhythm with our resurgent and emergent receivers.
If JTO ends up playing QB for us this season, I’d say all hope is lost. We might win 5 games again, since he has some downfield arm strength and Chad Ochocinco and Chris Henry have looked absolutely phenomenal so far.
by jsl413 on Aug 24, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That being said:
I think if Carson stays healthy, and the offensive line learns how to recognize blitzes, this could be a really solid year for the Bengals.
The Ravens seem to be moving to a 4-3 defense, which will be much easier to compete with (they’ll still be awesome) and who knows what will happen with post-Superbowl Steelers and Ben Roethlisberger’s achilles. Maybe the Bengals can pull out a wildcard spot. The defense is deeper and should be better barring too many injuries.
The offense has top-10 potential as long as Carson’s healthy.
by jsl413 on Aug 24, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you there.
I like the Bengals as a sleeper team this year, especially with the way Chris Henry and Chad Ochocinco have rededicated themselves. Cedric Benson quietly put together a solid year in just 12 games, and should be even more valuable playing a full season.
Roy Williams was a good signing, and getting Rey Maualuga in the second round was a steal. The Bengals had the 12th ranked defense in the league last season and should be better in 2009.
That said, it’s hard to imagine the Bengals winning a wild card spot if they lose all four games against the Ravens and Steelers. Do you see the Bengals being able to split with either of the two?
by BruinFanBaby on Aug 24, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm cautiously optimistic.
Chris ‘Slim’ Henry and Chad look excellent so far. Chad is running after the catch, Chris is finally using his height to his advantage and not dropping the damn ball. Benson – I think the jury is still out. He was not that great last season, but the offensive line was atrocious. This year, the O-Line is physically gifted, and seems pretty good once engaged. But Kirkendall at CJ did some good analysis to point out that their blitz awareness was not great and that is what resulted in most backfield penetration.
Williams will be a good rotational guy on rushing downs. They say he’s in better shape, but I think he’s really slowed down and won’t be much help over the top. I think Johnathan Joseph can take care of himself on an island because he has speed to burn. Leon Hall is more susceptible to man coverage down field as he is a little shorter and more technical than athletic. He may need over the top help. Rey Rey is a great pickup. In limited PT, he looked good at NFL speed and was hitting hard. Chris Crocker is a name at safety that needs to be watched.
As for the 12th ranked defense, we’ll find out if that was a fluke. I hope not. The defense has improved this year regardless, as Crocker will have a full off-season under his belt. Rey Maualuga and DE Johnson should contribute this year as well. Hard to say if Maualuga will be better than Laurinitis – I think he has the physical tools to be an elite MLB.
I don’t know how strong the Ravens and Steelers will be this year. The Steelers certainly are threatening, but they still haven’t addressed the O-Line and Ben needs to stay healthy for them. They had a very good year last year in avoiding injuries. I think the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers competition will essentially be determined by who’s healthiest. The Bengals can definitely compete with both of those frontrunners.
by jsl413 on Aug 24, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Week 5 through Week 10
looks to be the Bengals toughest stretch of the season. How many wins can you realistically expect during that span (they play at Baltimore, home against Houston and Chicago, then a bye week, followed by home against Baltimore and at Pittsburgh).
by BruinFanBaby on Aug 24, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When the Bengals have had good seasons, they've started off really hot.
They need to open the season strong, because I agree that this is a rough stretch. If they can be 3-1 heading into week 5 (which means upsetting either Green Bay or Pittsburgh), I think we’ll be in decent shape. I’d say best case in that stretch is 3 wins. I’d hope the floor is 2 wins out of those games, though I suppose it’s possible that we only pull one game out. Chicago is not really a big threat this year, even with Jay Cutler and Matt Forte. The defense has been getting worse every year for the past several years.
Houston will be better this year, and they play the Bengals really tough. Baltimore and PIttsburgh are always tough.
Luckily, after those games, we get @OAK, CLE, DET… then we go to Minnesota and San Diego, which won’t be a picnic. I’d optimistically guess at a 9-7 season, with the potential for 10 wins. More likely is a 6 or 8 win season.
by jsl413 on Aug 24, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you guys still have ex-ram brian leonard? how is he doing up there if hes still there
by StLbluesfan43 on Aug 25, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep. We traded for him in the off-season.
I believe we sent Orrien Harris? He’s currently 2nd on the depth chart.
by jsl413 on Aug 25, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Leonard has been solid. He’s doing great making the first man miss, especially with this spin move away from the tackler. He falls forward and generally picks up yards each time he touches the ball between the tackles.
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by Kirkendall on Aug 25, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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