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NFC West position review: Guarded optimism for Rams guards

I reconveined with the NFC West bloggers for another position breakdown this week. This time we talked guards, and, well, I think you'll like where the Rams stand versus the rest of the division. With upgrades at C and better play at G this year, the Rams could have a plus offensive line, depending on how Barron does on the left and rookie Smith on the right. Anyway...on with the guards.

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San Francisco, represented by Niners Nation

Although it's probably too soon to tell, the 49ers seem to be developing a solid pair of guards.  In 2008 the team selected Chilo Rachal in the second round.  After sitting on the bench during the tail end of the Mike Nolan era, Rachal was promoted into the starting lineup by newly minted head coach Mike Singletary.  Singletary had been impressed with Rachal in practice and decided to throw him into the fire.  Rachal had plenty of problems as a rookie, but he showed enough talent to secure a starting position in 2009, barring injury.

On the other side of the line, Dave Baas has also likely secured a starting spot for 2009.  The former second round pick was on the bench behind Adam Snyder, but was promoted following the firing of Mike Nolan.  Baas finished the season at left guard, while Snyder moved back over to his traditional tackle role.  Snyder is likely going to battle Marvel Smith for playing time as a tackle this season.  However, he can easily swing over to guard if there are any injury issues.  Looking ahead, he might even get another crack to start at guard after this season.  Baas is a free agent and 49ers GM Scot McCloughan has made it known that he is not a fan of investing large dollar figures in starting guards (see Smiley, Justin).  However, for 2009, a healthy 49ers team would seem to be set at guard.

The 49ers have some undrafted free agents in camp, but in reality the only other backup option is Tony Wragge.  Wragge is an all purpose backup who can play both center and guard.  He won't win a job in training camp, but will provide solid support as a backup.

Overall, I'm going to go out on a limb and give the guards a B.  Why higher than the tackles and first round talent Staley?  Well, a lot of this depends on how Chilo Rachal continues to develop in his second season and I'm feeling quite optimistic about it.  Baas will likely be starting from the get go meaning the line will have sufficient time to develop some solid chemistry, which is big for them.  Consider this like the tackle position only rounding up from B-/C+ territory. Grade: B

Arizona Cardinals, represented by Revenge of the Birds

The Cardinals guards have the advantage of being dependable, experienced starters but the combo of Reggie Wells and Deuce Lutui don't exactly inspire a ton of confidence in the franchise's fans. Left guard Reggie Wells, quite possibility the best sixth round pick in franchise history, has started 74 games (including 48 consecutive) since being drafted in 2003 and is the type of player who does quite a bit of things well but doesn't excel in any area. Right guard Deuce Lutui, a second round pick from 2006, has been one of the more frustrating players to watch in recent years. He's started 40 games since being drafted but so far his reputation for picking up false starts and personal foul penalties far exceeds his instances of quality play. He improved during the second half of the 2008 season but if one of the 'starting five' from last year doesn't return to the starting lineup this season, it'll very likely be Lutui.

Providing depth at the guard position is a host of characters including Brandon Keith, Elton Brown, Herman Johnson and Trevor Canfield. Keith was drafted as a tackle and most expect him to end up outside eventually but he's been working behind Lutui this off season. The conspiracy thoery, championed by yours truly, is that the coaching staff is hoping that Keith will take the starting job from Lutui this year before moving to one of the tackle spots in 2010. Keith, last year's seventh round pick, has drawn raves reviews since being drafted and he's got the size, strength and quickness to provide an upgrade at the position. Elton Brown has been the Cardinals top backup on the inside for several seasons and after getting no interest on the free agent market, he's back on a one year deal. Brown has competed with Lutui at right guard for two straight seasons and he has quite a few fans who think he could be just as effective, if not more, than Lutui. Herman Johnson, this year's fifth round pick, is currently working at right tackle after spending nearly his entire college career at guard. He might stay at tackle this season but if injuries strike and he's needed, I'm sure he'd slide down. Trevor Canfield, this year's seventh round pick, is primarily a guard, although he might see some time at center as well. The deck is stacked against him based on the amount of experienced depth ahead of him but some scouts had a third or fourth round grade on him coming out of Cincinnati.

Overall this group has a ton of depth and would be able to withstand one or even two significant injuries, but they don't have any one guy who stands above the rest as a really good player. Based on the starters I'd lean towards a C but when I consider all of the depth, I feel like they are much closer to a B.

Seattle Seahawks, represented by Field Gulls

Seattle has no starting guards. It instead has the field. Let's twitterize them.

Mike Wahle: Once good and can still run block, but bad in pass-pro and broken down. Shoulder might fall off.

Rob Sims: Pec goes pop, Seahawks flop, this semi-promising guard fails to develop. Good pass-block, bad feet.

Mansfield Wrotto: Mean ass brother used to play DT and blocks like it. Tech coming, but until then: Smash.

Steve Vallos: Upside: Tom Ashworth.

Ray Willis: More valuable at tackle, but beggars can't be choosers.

Max Unger: Oh please God yes.

The best combination for Seattle would be Sims at right and Unger at left, with Willis filling in where necessary. Unger isn't very strong at the point, but he's extremely skilled and employs that skill to be viciously opportunistic. He times his blocks well to upend unbalanced opponents and for someone that rarely looked strong in pass pro, he gets a good number of knockdown blocks. He is, simply, good at football. He's also a pretty good athlete and should take well to Seattle's zone system. Sims may or may not. He had a nasty habit of tripping over his own feet in 2007. That earned the ire of Mike Holmgren and helped earn him a bad reputation among fans. He's very good in pass protection and at right guard maybe won't need to be terribly agile. He could also develop, because he's young, but boy could he have used last season, because on the move he's raw, raw, raw.

It's a less than the sum of its parts bunch, because there's very little stability and each has some fatal flaw that could prove their professional doom. Still, it's a talented bunch, with better, deeper talent than you'll find on many rosters, and that alone keeps this from being an "F". I'll grade them "D" knowing they could gel and be better, or they could flunk in shifts, giving Seattle a revolving door of failure the holiday season through.

St. Louis Rams, represented by, well, us

Starting at left guard for the Rams is 2008's big free agent acquisition, Jacob Bell. Signed away from the Titans, Bell dealth with a hamstring injury and watched his play fade down the stretch, to the point where when combined with the Rams' undersized centers Nick Leckey and Brett Romberg the middle of the line became a real liability. Part of the problem was that Bell played at 280 lbs last season, well below his listed weight of 296 lbs. Whether that was due to the hamstring injury or poor choices in an offseason conditioning program is irrelevant now, and the team was most relieved when Bell showed up for spring minicamps at 300 lbs, thanks to the addition of a personal chef. We should all be so lucky. Bell had a solidtrack record with the Titans, and will benefit greatly with the addition of C Jason Brown to his right.

On the right side is Richie Incognito, who earned a reputation as a bit of meathead last eyar thanks to some unpopular comments and gestures directed toward Rams fans...or the lack thereof. Meathead or not, Incognito is one of the nastiest players in the game and a tough blocker. He came apart mentally last year, racking up more than his share fo dumb, costly penalties as his attitude unraveled along with the team's play. The coaching change should really benefit a talented Incognito, who constantly needs a hot burning fire under his posterior. He is, arguably, the Rams best lineman.

Behind those two, the Rams have some solid depth at G. John Greco, a third round pick from the 2008 draft, did nothing to hurt his standing with the team in nine appearances last year. Greco uses his size and athleticism well, but could stand to play a little tougher. Mark Setterstrom returns this sesason after having missed the enitre 2008 season with a knee injury. Setterstrom was pressed into starting duty late in 2006, and played well enough to earn a starting job out of camp the next year before getting hurt in week 3. Prior to the 2008 season, he was expected to compete for the starting center job before a camp injury ended his season before it began. He's reportedly at 100%, but his injury history is a huge concern. Greco and Setterstrom are the primary backups at G, and the team is very happy to have them should injury again befall the middle of the offensive line. There's also the versatile Adam Goldberg (see our OT write up), who has filled in nicely at times on the left and right over the last few seasons.

The Rams also helped themselves by signing a couple of very interesting guard prospects among this year's crop of undrafted rookie free agents. Many were surprised when Western Missouri G Roger Allen was not drafted this year. An injury that prevented him from working out at the Combine, a rare invite in the first place for a Missouri Western State player, likely contributed to that. All Mountain West Conference guard Ray Feinga, from BYU, will also be competing for a spot on the depth chart, and has looked good in the no-pad practices of spring. Hopefully, these guys give the Rams that nice to have problem of too much of a good thing.

All in all, I give the Rams a B at guard. If Bell can play to expectations, this could be one really good unit.

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Getting rid of Pace, Romberg and Leckey...

…was a master stroke. Now let’s hope a heavier Bell and the two Jasons live up to their hype. “False start” Barron and knucklehead Incognito are still worrisome though. Karney and McMichael should help alot too versus Klop and the now departed Leonard. I’m not sure Bulger could perform adequately if he were protected by the likes of Tom Mack, Conrad Dobler and a young Orlando Pace. And, he no longer has elite guys like Bruce, Holt and Curtis to throw to either. At least we’ve got Jax in the backfield. Surely to goodness we can average more than 14 1/2 points per game this year!

by edpjr on Jun 27, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if someone is there to

keep Incognito motivated, i.e. keep him from f’ing it up, he’ll be solid

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by VanRam on Jun 27, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rams will be solid

Every season 5 to 6 teams make the play-offs in the NFL every year that did not make the play-off the previous year .This is a well known fact.Ditto:Atlanta ,Arizona,Ravens,Carolina and Dolphins in 2008.I predict the Rams will be one of 5 to 6 teams in 09.Solid offensive line and smash mouth football,Rams will be surprised dark horse team.

by Thomas W on Jun 27, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope your right....

…but there’s no getting around the fact that our D-Line got blown out repeatedly last year. The massive holes opened in our line allowed opposing RB’s to gallop for 20,30 and 40 yard gains way too often. And nothing has been done so far to address this major problem area.

by edpjr on Jun 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont agree with that

I think plenty was done this year to address the run defense, we added a safety securing our safety’s and corners,addition of LB for the middle J L,moving Witherspoon back to his out side position,replacing Pisa with a stronger younger LB,just those changes alone will be a very big improvement on our defense ,now add the fact that C.Long this year should be stronger and better,same with Carriker,the fact that L.Glover is finally retired means another younger big body in the middle of the line,lets face it he only made one tackle per game if that for the last three years,I think we gona have a awesome de fence this year,Plus Spags will get more then you think out of these players ,including T Hill ,C Ryan and our young LBs,we gona have a very serious defense this year,
GO RAMS

by james535 on Jun 28, 2009 7:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You've still got a team counting on...

…35 year old Leonard Little who was repeatedly squelched last year. I seriously doubt he’s improved with age. And, Adam Carriker has shown us virtually nothing in 2 years as the middle of the line has been a freeway for opposing RB’s. It’s all speculation on Chris Long too. He certainly did not have a stellar rookie season. Unless there’s surprisingly good play from Ryan and Hill, these guys up front are liable to get our LB’s, Corners and Safeties killed. Tye Hill is also a weakspot at corner. And it seems that you’re putting an awful lot of faith into David Vobora at LB. You can’t completely reverse the play of a defense that gave up 29 points per game last year by changing out the coach and 2-3 players.

by edpjr on Jun 28, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree it's hard to make a total turnaround

in one year. Still, I think you are working at seeing the glass as half empty in all your analysis. Long had as good a first year as most highly drafted DEs. If he follows the usual pattern, his 2nd year should be much better. Little was playing hurt most of last year. And much of the problem with the run defense was due to the LBs, not the D line. The linemen were supposed to tie up the blockers so the LBs could make the tackles, but the LBs were never in the right position. They were constantly overrunning the play, allowing the running backs to cut back and have lots of room. If the coaches can just pound into the heads of our LBs to play their position and rely upon their teammates to do the same, our defense will definitely be better. Will it be top 10 – I seriously doubt it. But I think it will be improved over last year.

by andyrose on Jun 28, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes we can

The whole culture was changed by the firing of the weak and moronic Scott Linehan .I expect big things from Rams this year.Like A PLAY-OFF BERTH.

by Thomas W on Jun 28, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Those are pretty high expectations for a team with....

…a questionable 32 year old QB, no veteran WR’s, missing a proven LB on one side, depending on Tye Hill at one of the CB positions, and IMHO, a very questionable D-Line. Also, who do they steal the playoff berth from…? Certainly not the Cards with Warner and Fitzgerald. That leaves a wildcard and by all measures the NYG, Cowboys, Bears, Vikings, Falcons, Panthers, Eagles, and probably Saints and Redskins are better than the Rams. And some people think the 49ers will be much improved and that the Hawks will turn it around. But let’s hope the stars line up and somehow you’re right.

by edpjr on Jul 1, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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