Position battles: Finding the Rams all-time QB
by VanRam on Jun 26, 2009 8:57 AM CDT
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Let's continue the all-time team debate with quarterback. Unlike running back, where you had two cut and dry viable candidates in Dickerson and Faulk that could easily claim the title, the franchise history at QB is a little less clear. And the debate definitely requires a look back into the Rams' team history.
The candidates...
Roman Gabriel, 1962-1972, record 74-39-6
Gabriel made three Pro Bowl appearances with the Rams, but led the team to the playoffs just twice, in '67 and '69. In 130 games with the team he passed for 22,223 yards (2nd most), 154 TDs (most in team history), and threw 112 INTs.
Jim Everett, 1986-1993, record 46-59
Ultimately more famous for the "Chris" dust-up with Jim Rome and his draft escapades, Everett holds the team record for passing yards with 23,758. During his 107 games with the team he passed for 142 TDs (2nd most) and 123 INTs. He led the team to the playoffs three times early in his career, but the franchise dwindled into irrelevancy in the later part of Everett's days, before ultimately packing up and moving to St. Louis. He made one Pro Bowl appearance, in 1990.
Norm Van Brocklin, 1949-1957, record 42-20-3
Many of you will be hard pressed to recall Van Brocklin's time with the Rams. He was the last QB to lead the team to a championship, 1951, before the Super Bowl win in '99. Van Brocklin threw for 16,114 yards with the Rams with 118 TDs (3rd most) and 127 INTs in 104 games. He was a six-time All Pro in his time with the Rams.
Kurt Warner, 1998-2003, record 35-15
Warner didn't have a long tenure with as the Rams QB, but he helped breath new life into a forgotten franchise, leading them to a Super Bowl win ten years ago. In just 53 games with the Rams, he passed for 14,447 yards, 102 TDs and 65 INTs. He had three Pro Bowl appearances with the Rams and has the highest completion percentage (66.4%) of any QB in team history.
Marc Bulger, 2002-2008, record 40-47
Bulger gets listed here, as much as some will groan, based on some impressive stats with the team, though I don't think many would call him the franchise's top QB. Currently third on the list of total passing yards with 21,345, Bulger will become the Rams' all-time leader in passing yards this season, barring injury. He's fourth on the list with 117 TDs, and will surpass Van Brocklin with just one more. If he gets his career turned around with the Rams, he'll most likely be the team leader in TDs in two or three seasons; he needs 37 more. He's thrown 87 INTs in 87 games, and has the second best franchise completion percentage with 62.6%.
So there you have it. Did I leave anyone out? Tony Banks...um, that's probably for another "all-time" team.
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What about Bob Waterfield?
I know that he’s ancient, but Waterfield and Van Brocklin created the concept of a quarterback controversy. Two great QB’s together at one time… it would almost be like having Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on the same team right now. He may not have the overall stats, but that is in part because he had to share time.
by tholland34 on Jun 26, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rather than picking the QB by his stats...
I prefer to go by the one’s I’ve seen in action (sorry Van Brocklin) and of the other four QBs mentioned, I always liked Roman Gabriel the best.
The guy could just keep standing there in the pocket waiting for a receiver to get open as the defenders were piling on him trying to bring him down and he would still make the pass completion. He was a tough guy for a quarterback,
Besides, ya gotta like a guy with a middle name like “Ildonzo”.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
by Nbr1RamFan on Jun 26, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's who I voted for
though i get the Warner argument
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by VanRam on Jun 26, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I like Gabriel too. For the same reason. He could take a shot from a def lineman and complete a pass with defenders hanging on him. When he played there wasn’t a 5 – yard rule. Receivers could be harassed the whole play. Tackled at the line even. A QB had to wait for one to get open. Some QBs could scramble like Tarkenton, Manning and Staughbach. Gabriel and Joe Kapp ( Viqueens) could take and deliver hits to the defenders. I’ve seen both, when chased out of the pocket, knock linebackers on their asses.
by LARams1968 on Jun 27, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this should be unanimous
only one got a ring, and look at this record with the rams. Yes, he did have support around him, still he is the best; in my opinion, though I have not watched the others play.
oh yeah, he almost got another ring last year.
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by sergey606 on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It should be unanimous for Kurt Warner
But Vince Ferragamo, who got us to our 1st Super Bowl and could’ve won it except for two big 4th quarter defensive lapses, deserves more accolades than Jim Everett.
by edpjr on Jun 26, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have always loved Warner’s game. For all you Vick fans out there, Warner’s example is the polar opposite, someone who can deliver the ball at a pro bowl level on all but the weakest of teams. He could walk on to 90% of the offenses in this league and play immediately (you know, unless they have an O-line like ours last year)
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Jun 26, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vick couldn't wipe the dirt off Kurt Warner's cleats....
…but since we can’t have Kurt back, Vick is still younger, faster and better than “Belcher” Bulger. I still grit my teeth every time I think about Mike Martz dismantling a potential dynasty by letting guys like Warner, Bly, Wistrom, etc. get away.
by edpjr on Jun 26, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warner deserves it.
When “Greatest of All Time” discussions come up, the first thing I look at is championships, and Warner is the only one on this list with a Super Bowl ring. He put up remarkable numbers in a short time span, and he could make any throw you asked him to make.
by BruinFanBaby on Jun 26, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, what about Vince Ferragamo????
In the 3 years he played with the Rams:
1979 = 11-8 (Super Bowl)
1980 = 11-6 (Playoffs)
1983 = 10-8 (Playoffs)
by edpjr on Jun 26, 2009 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Warner has to be number one but
Every quarterback on the list had a very good running back, if not a great running back
all but Roman Gabriel .The Rams running game use to really suck back then and Gabe was really my all time favored QB for the Rams till Warner won us a super bowl and another thing Gabriel only had Jack Snow to throw the ball too,now if he has a Marshal Faulk and two wide outs like Bruce and Holt maby things would have been a lot diferent with Gabriel at QB
by james535 on Jun 27, 2009 1:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bulger, but with BIG if
If Bulger does turn his career around and plays well. He could essentially become it. Adding a championship ring would solidify this status.
But for now. It has to be Warner.
The name's Rams, St. Louis Rams.
by Bond_007x on Jun 28, 2009 12:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And that's the problem with stats james535
The team around a QB can make him look great or terrible.
Give me the best o-line in the league, the best receivers, the best tight-ends and the best running backs and I’ll turn a mediocre quarterback into a super star. So like you said, the only one Gabe had was the and only Jack Snow was all Gabe had and he still put up great numbers.
To me that speaks volumes! He’s my man!
BTW, a little know fact, the Minnesota Vikings selected Jack Snow out of the University of Notre Dame in the first round as the number 8 pick overall in the 1965 NFL Draft but they traded him to the Rams before the ’65 season even began.
Go Rams!
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
by Nbr1RamFan on Jun 28, 2009 7:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction...it seems my fingers stuttered there...
That should read:
So like you said, the only one Gabe had was the one and only, Jack Snow, and he still put up great numbers.
"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s
by Nbr1RamFan on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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