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I'm a little confused on what players we want on the Rams. The way i understand it we want young players and players that fit "The four pillars".  Thats fine but not very easy to do. What i would like is some names of players that fit all of this that are POSSIBLE to get with in the next year or two.  Maybe you are ok with the team we have. I think we could use some veterans also, but give me some thoughts here.  

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Possible? There's too many.

  I’m not saying it’s easy; in that regard I agree with you. But there are plenty of “ascending” players who have avoided off-field issues and could contribute as well as if not better than certain players currently on the roster. And yes, we could use some veteran guidance, but veteran FAs can always be added late in the game.

Your uncle molests collies.

by 3k on Jun 17, 2009 2:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i’m just looking for people we can talk about instead of just players that everyone says no to. here is a link on the four pillars. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/bryanburwell/story/DB47661B5688D01D862575D800121E36?OpenDocument

by NICKSC on Jun 17, 2009 6:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's fair

but there are so many. I mean, Van dropped the offensive and defensive free agent lists. There are plenty of vets (& young guys who fell out of favor) on the list you could toss out there.

Your uncle molests collies.

by 3k on Jun 17, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know but all the comments from that list is there “too old” it just seems like everyone knows who not to get but no one has a solution or ideas on who to get.

by NICKSC on Jun 17, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When a team digs itself this deep a hole,

there is no easy way out. There is no quick solution. It’s gonna take two or three years before the Rams are back to being really competitive with a chance to win. In the meantime I think we have to avoid the “quick fixes” that will eventually hurt the team.

Sure, it would be great to add Drew Breese, Adrian Peterson, the Williams DTs from the Vikings, Fitzgerald from Phoenix, and more. But that isn’t going to happen. The league also isn’t going to give us five first round draft choices to help us out. In other words, there is no quick fix. We need to avoid hiring thugs and “me first” guys in an attempt to win another game or two this year, so we don’t hurt ourselves next year and the year after. Let’s be patient and do it right, even if it means another year with lots of losses and few wins.

by andyrose on Jun 17, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have certainly not been easy at all on the Rams the last two years...

I paid Direct TV to watch them lose 14 of 16 games last year. They played like amateurs half the time and like bums that couldn’t care less the other half. Part of the, check that, a lot of the problem was the front office and the coaching staff. A monkey with a dart board could’ve made better draft picks the last 5-6 years. And, Linehan/Haslett gotta be the worst coaching combination ever. They made Lou Holtz 1976 stint with the NYJ look like a master stroke. Also, the team was leaden with dead weight; Chavous, Pace, Holt, Glover, Hall, Bennett, Green, Pisa, Leonard, Looker, Leckey, Romberg, Becht, Hill, Fakhir. Plus there were plenty of underperformers like Bulger, Bell, Carriker, Klop, Little, Pittman, etc. Even with all this nasty stuff, this team still could’ve won 5-7 games. I know it’s unbelievable, but 1-2 different bounces of the ball, a few sane coaching decisions, an extra sack or catch here and there, and these misfits could’ve beat NE, Miami, Atlanta plus the Hawks and 49ers in the second matchups. They could’ve been 7-9 best case. That’s downright amazing to me. So, now it’s 2009 and we have credible management and likely a “good” coaching staff. A lot, and I mean a lot, of the deadwood is long gone. And I think before training camp is over guys like Tye Hill, Klop, Pittman and Leonard Little will be out too. Conversely, this team has grown much younger and picked up quality players like J. Brown, J.Smith, Boller, Lauranitis, Karney, and Butler. And we still have Jax and Avery, we’ll get back McMichael and Burton, we held onto Atogwe and Bartell, we have possibly the best kicker and punter in the NFL, and some think Chris Long may surprise this year (please). So, while I’m not expecting to win the NFC West or get the wild card, there’s NO reason this year’s Rams can’t win 5-7 games. That type record would be a massive improvement and still leave us in position to get some good draft picks in 2010. From there it might be 9-7 and a wild card in only two years. Despite what Peter King and John Clayton say, it could happen…

by edpjr on Jun 17, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

so your happy with the team how it is and you want to wait and see how the next couple of years unfold as far as the draft and free agents. thats fine this is the kinda stuff im looking for. some kind of plan or idea.

by NICKSC on Jun 17, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ok ok

well i disagree with Holt, because Bulger underperformed, both did so because of a mediocre offensive line. I am willing to bet Holt rakes it in, in Jax

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by DESTROYER on Jun 18, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tory's knees have had it.

He was great once, but it’s over. My guess is that the Jags finish in last place. Wow, did Bulger underperform! He was horrendous – totally immobile, inaccurate and throwing scared off his back foot. The O-Line was a disaster. Pace was old and not motivated. Bell didn’t meet expectations. Incognito and Barron were only good for getting penalties called on us. And both of what we called “Centers”; Leckey and Romberg, were virtually invisible.

by edpjr on Jun 18, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 pillars are enough

        I think way too much emphasis is put on the 4 pillars. I’ll be happy with signing guys whom aren’t too violent to others off the field, but display a definite nastiness on it. Utilizing aggression works, but one must possess it to do so. I also think we may be jumping the gun on the "cancer in the locker room theory’. Sure, there are some definite examples out there. I just think some of the accusations I’ve heard are too speculative, to rule them out completely. I do believe in 2nd chances. Even if they never work out, I would. We can’t be afraid to make a wrong move or we may not make enough right ones.

by dbcouver on Jun 24, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some the greatest fb players ever were beasts

Anybody here old enough to recall how mean, but legal, great players like Dick Butkus, Conrad Dobler, Mike Curtis, Deacon Jones, etc. were on the field? Football was meant to be a rough contact sport. QB’s like Johnny Unitas, Joe Namath, Roman Gabriel, Bart Starr, Don Meredith, etc. never had the luxury of “being in the grasp” or getting a “tuck rule” call. I used to love it when Gabe would throw a completion with two defenders hanging onto him. Running backs like Jimmy Brown, Bernie Casey or Leroy Kelly didn’t know that “the ground couldn’t cause a fumble.” They held the ball till the whistle blew. Receivers like Jack Snow and Gene Washington never got interference calls when a defender lightly brushed against their butts. The game today has been watered down and pussified by all these new rules. But somehow players are still suffering as many, or more, serious injuries than in the old days.

by edpjr on Jun 26, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That might be because todays players are moving a lot faster and have less time to adjust to impact. There’s no question that every sport is moving much faster than 10-15 years ago.

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Jun 30, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the late Bob Hayes was the fastest man on the planet...

…when he played for the Cowboys in the late 60s and early 70s. Alvin Haymond, who played for the LA Rams in the early 70’s, ran the 100 yard dash in 9.6 sec. Darryl Stingley was flying when he was paralyzed by a legal hit from Jack Tatum 31 years ago. Do you really think Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry and Chuck Noll didn’t work the dog crap outta their players..?

by edpjr on Jul 5, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, there’s no defense for your position. Today they work on different things.

Yesteryear’s players were not faster than today’s simply because yesteryear’s coaches did not know the techniques that make human beings as fast as they do now. Its now about hard work, its about what you do while you’re working.

This is one of the very few things I absolutely know about high level competitive sports from personal experience. There’s no disputing it, there’s abundant evidence to support it, although you’re welcome to give all kinds of examples of hard wokring fast guys =)

As to my other comment…Hard work? Sure some worked hard. But we know that some pro athletes used to smoke a pack a day of cigarettes too, right? And there used to be a real off season. Today, even for high school athletes that’s gone now. I’m just sayin, as a group todays athletes are much more commited to the program. And add to that the perfomance enhancing substances that are around and – as a group – there is no comparison at all to speed (strength too)

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Jul 7, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we keep hearing about your experience in high level competition...

what exactly does that mean? I never played pro-football, but 30 years ago I did participate in full-contact Karate tournaments in the Southeast. Is that high level competition? Also, while I appreciate your explanation of “modern day” meters, most of us registered professional engineers already have a reasonable understanding of the metric system. You should consider too that in the old days of pro sports there was limited, if any, substance abuse testing. That’s how guys like Arnold Schwarzanegger and Franco Colombo got to be gorillas. Also, while in there primes, both Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus could hit a golf ball every bit as far as the modern day Tiger Woods even with all his superior equipment and training. This argument is not limited to football.

by edpjr on Jul 9, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many

You keep hearing about my experience with high level competition? Really? How many times have you heard about my experience around high level competition? Isn’t it like 2? I haven’t dropped any names….is 2 times about my experience is too many and it gave you a complex? Jeez I had no idea, I’m sorry.

About what it means, well, it means exactly what it says. Go back to where you saw me write it and read it again….if you can find any…..and if you still can’t understand what I wrote, just send me a note and I’ll be a good scout and give you a nice slooooow personal answer. Hows that for good custiomer service, huh?!

I thought that some guys, engineers though they may be, and MAYbe they know the difference between a meter and a yard………but I thought that maybe don’t follow track & field as closely as I do, and may not know how utterly foolish it would be to compare a time run in an old 100 yard race (about 10 yards shorter!) to the 100 meter races of today.

Especially bad comparison since practically the entire field of 100 meter runners in our recent USA Championships beat Hayes’ time like it was a Michael Vick puppy.

I mean, I didn’t mean to denigrate you personally……..I was just going on experience when I thought most guys might not know the difference in races and times because a lot of the guys I drink beer with don’t know that. So I figured guys here might not either.

And NOW edpjr tell’s me how you guys on here are all genuis engineers who have aparently regsitered for something, and thats why you’re too smart to get fooled by a foot or a meter?

How could that be since edpjr seemed to have no clue about the races Bob Hayes ran or how they compare to today………and that’s where the empirical evidence comes from (look it up) to compare them with in the first place (their times)

 But I understand. Really, I do understand. Because my beer drinking, football fan buddies didn’t know either, and we all worked together for 10 of the last 12 years in the hardcore engineering laboratories in Intel Corp in Folsom CA….so if they didn’t know it, I figured some small % of the guys here may not know it.

I guess I really can’t be surprised, that an engineer………. with no experience with high level competition ….. JK! No really, JK ……doesn’t know the difference in timing systems likely means that Haye’s 9.7s becomes a 9.96s when converted to the FAT timing of today, which is something I didn’t even mention before because I thought hand time to automatic time conversions would be either too dry or over your head, but now that I find out you guys are all engineers,……..

I’ll just toss it on top of the heap mountain of reasons why Haye’s FAT-converted time of 9.96s…….over a distance of 100 yards 90 meters ….would have had Hayes too far behind the winners to even smell their Old Spice aftershave in the wind.

There’s no comparison. None. If you have non-anecdotal data to support your position, I’m all ears.

I remember back in 1981 (maybe it as 82?) , I was talking with Herschel Walker as he put his sweats back on, after blasting through a 100 meter final in 10.25s at the USA Track & Field Outdoor Championships at Hughes Stadium here in Sacramento. He was reasonably happy with his time but disappointed that he wasn’t in contention for a medal. He was probably able to console himself later knowing that if Bob Hayes wouldve been in the race, he would’ve been so far behind him, 18 feet or so, that he could have never tackled big ’ol Herschel on an open field run to the end zone.
   =) CHEER UP YOU GUYS, ITS SUMMER!!

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Jul 13, 2009 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yards

wiki link

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by 3k on Jul 13, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

40 yards

And I believe those are all hand timed.

When compared to a guy on a track, in a race, you have to also take into consideration they are being time in a different method…..Fully Automatic Time (FAT)…and it matters greatly.

To compare a hand time to a FAT time, you have to add .26 (yes, ADD a quarter of a second) to the hand time.

Distance doesn’t matter, it’s the same .26 seconds for 40 yards or hundred meters, because it’s the accepted standard reaction time fo the finger on the stop watch.

So a hand timed guy running a 40 yard dash in, lets say, 4.5s…..compare that to a guy on a track in race considitons and his time would be 4.76s. Big difference.

So the guys in the old days…were’ they hand timed or FAT? Some were and some weren’t.

If you have a hand time of 9.6…..that compares to today’s FAT time of 9.86

ALL of the guys running the NCAA’s or Olympics (and all big high school meets) are timed with FAT these days. So all they’;re times are saddled with a quarter second longer than the old days.

So really to compare an old guy running 100 yards, you have to first convert that to he’s actually only running 90 meters. And then also convert that to adding .26s to take into consideration the finger’s reaction time on the stopwatch.

As you can see, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of pure performance. Today’s girls are as fast as yesterday’s men. There’s a variety of reasons, biggest being evolution of training methods.

I was an athlete and coach, and finished up my involvement with sports by serving as an official in USA Track and Field for several years before I hurt my back and decided the La-Z-Boy was my new sport.

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Jul 14, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, NOW I read the damn Wiki link after I post.

 Says .24 but that’s is relatviely new. Probably due to new standard. When I was in, it was .02 longer.

In real life, you’re not even supposed to refer to a hand time beyond the 4.2….no 4.25 or whatever because the finger is not accurate enough of a method to give you hundreths

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Jul 14, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t expect most poeple to know this, but since you privded the numbers I’ll give you a modern day translation.

9.6 secs in the 100 yards is basically 10 and a half yards per second, rounded.
Today’s athletes don’t run 100 yards anymore, they run over 109 yards…thats what the modern 100 meters equates to.

So when you see today’s world best athletes running 9.7 seconds in the 100 meters, you have to understand they would be finishing the race more than 30 feet in front of Bob Hayes. Yes, its true, over 30 feet.

If Hayes was alive today, he’d likely take advantage of modern nutrition and training techniques and be as competitive as anyone, but you cannot compare what athletes did then with what they do now on a straight 1:1 basis because it’s not close enough to argue about.

A lot of football skill players are also track guys and they bring with them the training techniques they learn over there. I’ve personally seen the training evolve.

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Jul 7, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

….and players of generations ago didn’t always train like athletes.

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Jun 30, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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