Brandon Marshall anyone?
Apparently, Brandon Marshall is requesting a trade.This would bring in the veteran presence the Rams need.Now some of you would probably that Spags wouldn't like him because of The four pillars stuff but hes coming offa 6 TD season and both of our starters combined for 6. He also has a big frame which we need.
He could possibly put our receiver starters (as in team with best #1 & #2 receivers) into the top 10. Marshall probably would fit into the West Coast Offense. He would be way more consistent than Avery and Burton. Maybe could be what we've been waiting for since Torry's departure. What do you think of this and why?
[Note by VanRam, 06/16/09 10:36 AM EDT ] Thanks to DekaJ for getting the discussion going here. I bumped his post to the front page, because, let's face it, this idea went through everyone's head when the news broke this weekend that Marshall requested a trade out of Denver. I think it's highly unlikely they'll trade him, but the question for Rams fans is would the high cost (i.e. no first round pick next year...and probably no third and a later round too) mean losing out on other parts of the rebuilding process by giving up picks in the 2010 draft. The discussion starts below...
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trade value
Marshall would fetch a high price, a package similar to what Dallas gave for Roy Williams (1st, 3rd and 6th round picks). I wouldn’t necessarily argue that the cost of a deal like that for Marshall is too high. The question for the Rams is how much they need that first round pick (which is likely to be fairly high up) in the rebuilding process…i.e. would they need that pick for a QB more than trading it for a WR.
The other thing about Marshall is that the Broncos still have some leverage. Marshall’s holding out because he wants a deal above and beyond his rookie deal (which is small for a 4th round pick) AND he’ll only be a restricted free agent after this season thanks to the CBA-less rules of the NFL right now. The season after, the Donkeys could still hit him with the franchise tag. So, Marshall wants a deal to prevent being paid like a third next year and a something to earn some of the value he’d have as a free agent. He can hold, but that just means he loses playing time, money and eligibility. The Broncos will give him a new deal.
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by VanRam on Jun 16, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
to me
its a crap shoot with a QB in the first given what the QB class is for next year itll be a bit better chance to land a star QB, but you never know the rams might pull a dolphins and win the division last year, we need a wide out, id asses what could be the FA class of WR next year. if someone can research that and post thatd be awesome. Marshall is worth the package based on his talent, but he has a bit of a TO complex in media attention and ego. Not to mention fairly consistent legal trouble
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by DESTROYER on Jun 16, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would pass
the first round pick is worth more to me than Marshall. He’s an exciting player, but he’s also a big risk. The cost won’t just be draft picks but also big money against the cap to keep him around.
by Toddius on Jun 16, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Would you really pass on him because you don’t want to give up a first round pick? Let’s see…If you could redraft right now. With the second pick in the first round, would you draft Brandon Marshall or Adam Carriker?
Whoever says Adam Carriker is a moron and a homer. You would pick Brandon Marshall 10 times out of 10. He’s more consistent and much less of a risk than any player coming out of college. I don’t care what position.
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by RamsMan83 on Jun 16, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted No, but
I’d trade Carriker for him….
by edpjr on Jun 16, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree
Marshall for Carriker, sounds great!
Although I still wouldn’t give a 1st rounder for him. He will probably play at best 12 games this year considering some sort of suspension he will get this year.
by kickasskeever on Jun 17, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diva
Pass on Marshall. Maybe a 3rd round for him, but no higher. Too much of a personality risk.
by 81 Witness on Jun 16, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
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by jroman on Jun 16, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd
I could go second rounder for Marshall maybe. As talented as he is, adding him will probably give the Rams an extra two wins which would make that pick closer to a third rounder than a second.
by kickasskeever on Jun 17, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
consider Bulger
what if Bulger turns it around this year…or at least proves that he should be a capable QB through the next three seasons? No need to draft a QB in ’10 then, and Marshall would be as good as any first round WR (give or take).
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by VanRam on Jun 16, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
However...
Marshall wouldn’t be as good as the 3 players we would get in ’10 to fill 3 different holes.
I don’t think the Rams have only one need going forward, so they shouldn’t sell out to fill that need.
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by jroman on Jun 16, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
Brandon Marshall is a very talented football player, but not a very nice dude.
He’s already been suspended 2 games by the league and it looks like he may possibly escape trouble (both legal and NFL) for his domestic violence “incident” from March.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/story?id=4225271
The Rams are looking for high-character players and Marshall does not qualify.
No thanks.
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by jroman on Jun 16, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No Way
Trading quality draft picks for Marshall would be a big mistake. Yes he is young and talented, but the guy has proven his immaturity several times. I seem to remember last year when we broke his arm prior to the season and tried to lie about it to his team. In the end he admitted was playing around with some family members, fell (potentially on a McDonalds wrapper), and put his arm through a TV.
Young guys like this that get into trouble over and over, lie to their teams, openly clamor for trades, etc. are not the kind of players the Rams need. Especially at the price of a first round draft pick or even more.
by Hetfield72 on Jun 16, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
offensive potential
honestly i think getting marshall would give us wild card potential if the NFC has a down year. Our offense would become arguably the most balanced in the division, and i think our defense could realize its potential at any moment and become a staple.
Adding Marshall would make this team remind me of the 2001 season in which the passing game would be extremely efficient (Hakim=Avery, Holt n Bruce=Marshall, Warner=Bulger) and the running game could be equally productive (Faulk=S-Jax, Hodgins=Karney, Pace=J.Smith) and then the defense becomes a turnover machine with an aggressive game plan (Spags=Lovie, Laurinaitis=Fletcher, Long=Wistrom, Bartell=Aeneas, Atogwe n Butler>Herring n Archuleta). but i dunno, the defense would have to wake up to make a real run and if that doesn’t happen then it would b a waste to pick up marshall and sacrifice the future. it would jus be such an optimistic year thou.
by kinzav29 on Jun 16, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you guys kidding?
If I was a GM, I would hate the draft. The draft is a Casino more than anything. You throw HUGE money on players that COULD pan out. I would rather go with a player that has PROVEN he has the ability to be an elite receiver in the league. Looking back and knowing what we know now, if last year we had the choice between Adam Carriker or Brandon Marshall with the second pick in the first round, who would you chose? If you say Adam Carriker than you should stop drinking the St. Louis Kool-aid. Marshall is a proven receiver who hasn’t even reached his prime yet. HE IS WORTH MORE THAN A FIRST ROUND PICK.
Deavaney, Kennard McGuire is on line 2 and would like to discuss a potential contract with his client, Brandon Marshall….
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by RamsMan83 on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you are...
being a tad one sided about the draft process. I am not saying that there isn’t significant risk in the draft. You could draft the next Peyton Manning or the next Ryan Leaf. But the reason the draft is exciting and draft picks are valuable is because there is the potential to get an elite player. For a bad team there is hope that you can make the team better and for a good team, filling holes and drafting for depth is the secret to having longevity (Patriots, Steelers, etc.)
Also, your comparison between Marshall and Carriker confused me a little so I just wanted to clear up the facts. You are talking about drafting Carriker with the second pick in round 1, but he was drafted in the 2007 NFL draft 13th overall. Brandon Marshall was drafted in the 2006 NFL draft 119th overall (round 4).
I don’t think the question is whether you would want a proven WR on your team, the question is would you want THIS WR on your team. Marshall has talent and was a great find in the 4th round for the Broncos. But he has had so many legal problems and especially for someone this early in his career. I just looked at his Wikipedia page and saw the following highlights:
—2004: arrested for assault on a law enforcement officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct, and resisting an officer
—2007: arrested on suspision of dometic violence (charges dismissed after he completed anger management program)
—2007: arrested for driving under the influence
—2008: ticketed for illegal lane change, driving with no insurance or license
—2008: arrested for misdemeanor battery
—2009: arrested for disorderly conduct
You should at least acknowledge that this guy has some serious issues. You mention the draft being a gamble, but so is throwing a bunch of money at a guy like Marshall and crossing your fingers that he doesn’t do something stupid and get thrown out the the league in two years.
by Hetfield72 on Jun 16, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget the McDonalds wrapper thing
my personal favorite
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by VanRam on Jun 16, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
that pretty much keeps him off limits to the rams
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by sergey606 on Jun 16, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?/
anyone remember leonard littles problems? lawrence phillips? Rams have had their players with problems to changes of scenery my help Marshall in this Case
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by DESTROYER on Jun 17, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all things considered
I think the draft picks have much more value to a rebuilding Rams team than Marshall.
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by VanRam on Jun 16, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“The Rams are looking for high-character players and Marshall does not qualify.”
There’s no way he’ll be a Ram with that habitual rap sheet.
Are all those things convictions or arrests? I’m not trying to be his lawyer but there’s a difference, especially once you’re on the local police’s shit list. Some of those things are pretty ticky-tack. Arrested for illegal lane change? Please. A millionaire with no insurance who can pay out of his pocket a hell of a lot more than someone who does have insurance? In real life, that pay check means he’s not a big liability risk. (and some companies actually self-insure because they have the cash flow).
Its not ok to disrespect the law, but can you imagine actually being arrested for illgal lane change+no insurance? They obviously know exactly who this is even before they pull him over. DUI and assault are genuine problems, there’s no getting around that…..he’s not gong to be a Ram, so the conversation is only “Would you, if you ran the team?”
Being a Raider ticket holder, I see the guy play. He’s big and physical, and on the field he’s a team player (Unlike TO and Plax). Missing games legal reasons means I think he’d have to come at a very reasonable price, though…not 3 picks. But that’s probably not going tohappen, someone will overpay for him. They always do. Except for When Al Davis traded away Randy Moss for a 4th rounder, oh my God, don’t get me started.
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by CoachConnors on Jun 16, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I give up a second rounder and maybe a forth.
Better offensive line, Bulger, Jackson, Marshall, and Avery sounds like a good offense to me.
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by srdmad on Jun 16, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget McMicheal, and
it could be Boller instead of Bulger….
by edpjr on Jun 16, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not worth a 1st rnd pick.
Trade away Pittman, 3rd round pick, and a defender. That’s what I would do. If the Broncos don’t budge. Forget about it. Maybe add in another draft pick. But he’s not worth a first round pick.
by Xmisto on Jun 16, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not even a 3rd rounder
I’d rather go with who we have for now
by dbcouver on Jun 17, 2009 1:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Four pillars
here is an interesting article on the four pillars http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/bryanburwell/story/DB47661B5688D01D862575D800121E36?OpenDocument
by NICKSC on Jun 17, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
do it now!
If you say no on bringing in Marshall you are crazy! Your probably the same guys that would give a huge contract to a Drew Bennett The Rams really need to consider picking up this guy. Rams need a big time wr, if that means getting one of the knuckle heads than so be it.Plexico Burress, Brandon Marshall, or Even Coke head Matt Jones could help the Rams. All tall long and lanky wide outs, something that this teams has been missing the last couple years. But im sure this team will pass up on the oppurtunity like alway. Instead of getting a superstar by trading a draft pick they will end up drafting some white guy will be overpaid and wont live up to expectations. Here are some examples: Adam Carricker, Chris Long, Joe Kloppestien, Brian Leonard, and newly aqquired bust Larentis. SELL THE TEAM AND COME BACK TO LA!
by ivobox on Jun 17, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, such an in depth analysis.
No wonder they left LA.
by andyrose on Jun 17, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
stick to your Raiders blog for that type of analysis, dont care what type of numbers you put up, you act out against the law your not worth the money we would pay you, why? because you would be suspended and not playing
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by DESTROYER on Jun 18, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
about that
I’m sure they would consider marshall, IF they were one reciever away from making a run at the superbowl. I’m pretty sure someone on here already said it in this thread, they’re in a rebuilding process, and one WR won’t fix all the holes on the team.
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by sergey606 on Jun 18, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong on Burress and Jones. But Marshall might be ok.
I am in agreement 100% on Carriker, Long, Klop, and Leonard. But you forgot other great draft choices like Alex Barron and Tye Hill. Let’s give Lauranaitis a chance though. What the heck, bring in Marshall and Vick!
by edpjr on Jun 18, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Marshall.
We dont need another troublemaker. We have to remember that Flipper Anderson, Issac Bruce and Torry Holt were all young and needed there chance. Bruce and Holt will be in the Hall of Fame with the first vote, we have a bunch of good and young recievers, lets give them a chance to prove themselves.
Just say no to Marshall, if you bring him you might as well get Stallworth also, more experience on the field and in the courthouse.
by California Mobile CPR on Jun 18, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marshall is good and young
All we really have is inexperienced and speedy guys. He is the big guy to complement the other guys and brings some of the experience we need at WR.
But I do want to see what our receiving core does. I would love to have Marshall, but would be ok with not getting him
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by JoeyBombs on Jun 21, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall has been in trouble
and we don’t need any troublemakers.
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by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 18, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Money an issue too
Isn’t that the primary reason he wants out of Denver? My guess is his agent is going to try and get a new deal with the trading team before anything is agreed to (ala Williams last year). That being said – we have no cap room….
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by gorams77 on Jun 19, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Most people have been in a little trouble. At some point you let them in, too
Its much more important to rebuild with 4 pillars kind of guys, and get your foundation set, than it is to try to get to the Super Bowl with them. If you rebuild correctly you can bring in a knucklehead and keep him in line.
See: Moss, Randy.
Spags is probably thinking now is not the time for a Brandon Marshall….but one day it will be. Kind of like the Stl T article suggests.
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by CoachConnors on Jun 23, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I might agree with that
There will be a time to loosen the restrictions. I don’t know that I’d ever want them so loose as to bring in a Brandon Marshall, but to allow a Plaxico (who by all accounts is a good teammate, just a knucklehead at home, as opposed to Marshall who is reportedly not well liked by many fellow Broncos)? I’d be ok. Maybe even next year, if things turn around well this season.
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by 3k on Jun 24, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buress and Vick
I think both would work out in 2010. Neither will be available till then. By then we should be able to handle whatever character issues accompany them to the team. We will also have another draft under our belts, and I’m thinking all defense.
by dbcouver on Jun 25, 2009 1:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or..
….or, as we have seen with other former stars, they get their panties in a bunch because they aren’t the focus of the team anymore. I could see that happening with the arrogant Vick really easily.
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by CoachConnors on Jun 26, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same as in
the Vick thread….Rams will not get Marshall, too expensive; get over it people.
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by sergey606 on Jun 25, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You Know
I personally think it would be bad ass to have someone on the team like Marshall or Burress. The Rams are missing a guy on the outside with size and strength and speed that can go up and get the ball. A guy like that opposite Avery would caust opposing defenses to double one of them on any given play. That would make our offense very dynamic with our seemingly improved O-line and we still have Jackson. I’m not saying we should go and get Marshall, but a #1 reciever with his size and talent could easily put us in competition with the rest of the division.
by illchild on Jul 5, 2009 2:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And every great QB had at least one great WR. Its tough to imagine Bulger doing great things without a badass WR out there to go get the ball. Not that I necessarily think Bulger is “great”, but you know what I mean.
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by CoachConnors on Jul 7, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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