Rams release LB Pisa Tinoisamoa
This is kind of surprising news. Tinoisamoa put up good overall numbers, posting career highs in tackles and sacks.
It was hard to question his motor, but his lack of consistency frustrated observers the most. Tinoisamoa, however, was the man without a position with the move of Witherspoon from the middle back to his natural role on the weak-side. Pisa, at 220 lbs, is a little smallish for the strong-side. We speculated this might be coming earlier in the spring.
Chris Draft becomes the starter on the strong-side now, with rookie James Laurinaitis in the middle. Culberson might get some looks on the strong-side too. I also wonder what kind of players we've got in Chamberlain and Vobora, and whether or not the Rams might be looking to add another LB before the start of the season. This will save the Rams around $3.25 million in cap costs.
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Just posted in the Leonard thread..
So I’ll just place it here in the proper thread…
That move puzzles me. If he doesn’t fit into Spags D that he is looking to implement, then fine, I have no problem moving on from Pisa. BUT – why release him and get nothing in return? Doesn’t make sense to me.
The reason the Leonard trade worked is because we traded a piece that didn’t fit in the scheme/plans for something that will/might (DT). Pisa is a servicable LB that led the team in tackles – I would think there had to be a team willing to trade something that would help with depth at a position of need….
We need a pitcher...not a DL itcher!
by gorams77 on May 8, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well - Question?
If he is traded – is that full cap space still cleared up – salary of the player traded for? Or is there still a cap hit needed to take similar to Bulger if he had been traded?
That could be motivation if they have a target FA (or expected cap casualty) they are looking to sign…
We need a pitcher...not a DL itcher!
by gorams77 on May 8, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, like a WR for example...
$3 mil is a good baseline for the “established veteran WR” salary.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 8, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's also $1M more that Warrick Dunn made last year.
;-D
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
by Tackle Box on May 8, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha! Keep banging that drum, TB…
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 8, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
Ok, If he doesn’t fit, then he doesn’t fit. But why would you release a guy that is somewhat good at his position and will easily take a backup spot?
This move really puzzles me. We got rid of Pace cause of injury concerns and his bonus payout. But Pisa COULDN’T have that much of an effect on the cap or bonus payout. He had over 100 tackles last year! That at least gets him a spot as a backup. Please tell me there is more to this story. If not, this is a bad move, especially since we have depth problems at linebacker.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
by RamsMan83 on May 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't call this a bad move
since everything I’ve seen from this front office makes some sort of sense. At this point, I’m going to have to trust it was in the team’s best interests until proven otherwise.
Keep in mind, this is coming on the heels of a mini-camp so apparently Spags and company saw enough out of Draft, Culberson, Chamberlain, Vobora, et al, to feel there was someone from that group that gave the team a better chance to win than Pisa.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
by Tackle Box on May 8, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may also have been an attitude/coachability thing
Devaney and Spags have talked a lot about “changing the culture” in the locker room. If Pisa was somehow insubordinate or not with the program after this first minicamp, they may have done this to make a bit of a statement to the rest of the room.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 8, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
although I’ve never really found him to be that type of guy. He’s always played through injury and seemed to always want to be on the field.
But ultimately, I’m sure he could see the writing on the wall. And maybe he really liked me…er….Jim Haslett and just simply didn’t agree with what was going on?
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
by Tackle Box on May 8, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tinoisamoa was a team player
I don’t buy that there was an issue with his attitude. Especially after all the class he’s shown after his release:
“I really like the direction they’re going,” he said. “Because the team wasn’t winning, you knew this year was going to be different, and a lot of faces would be different. I didn’t really honestly think it would involve me. But the change is here, it’s come, and I think it’s a good change. If something isn’t working, you’ve got to figure things out.”
- Pisa Tinoisamoa
by Fullerton Rams Fan on May 9, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my...
release?!?
i thought at least he would be traded…
oh no…:(
by GermanRam on May 8, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very surprising move
they’re reshaping the team. That’s what you do when you take over a team, build a culture that you think is necessary. My impression of Pisa was that he played hard, but was injury prone and undersized. He was making too much money to ride the pine as much as he was going to, and may not have wanted to take the step back and be a special teams player – a roll he would have had some value in. I wish him the best of luck, but I think the Rams would have pulled the trigger on a trade if the opportunity had been there around draft time. There wasn’t opportunity. It is what it is.
by Toddius on May 8, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pisa as a player was really inconsistent
Maybe it was a question of matchups, but there would be whole games where I wouldn’t hear his name, and then a couple weeks later he’s ringing up double-digit tackles.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pisa
He was one of my favorite players, but he really was not that good the past couple of years. As few games as the Rams have won over the past few years, they have very little cap room. Clearing 3.25M is no small accomplishment. Pisa, IMO, was not a good starter any more. This is another step in the Rams having a lot of cap room for next offseason and being able to make an impact signing.
Remember the great 2004 and 2005 Rams teams...
by Marmie is the best on May 8, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
inconsistency
does anyone remember how frustratingly inconsistent he could be? For every game where he was making tackles, there was another where he was out of position for every single snap.
i doubt there was any team keen on taking him in a trade.
Sando says it’s $2 million in cap room, but I have the $3.25 number.
by VanRam on May 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ha! just posted the same thing.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 8, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries.
Guy was tough, no question. And that endeared him to the fans. He wanted to be out on the field if he could at all go, dislocated shoulder and all.
Even undersized, he looks like a good football player. But the performance and the nagging injuries (possibly from being too small for the position?) were his downfall in St. Louis.
I had high hopes for Hawaii 5-0. Part of me is sad to see him go. Most of me is happy the front office isn’t clinging to hopes that guys will get better and the past pet projects are not long for the roster.
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by Brad Lee on May 8, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shades of the Blues rebuild...?
Dutchie was the top scorer on the worst Blues team, but he had to be sacrificed as part of the rebuild. Cold-blooded, but turned out ultimately to be the right move.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 9, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
inconsistent or not...why cut him?
I can only think of only a couple of reasons on why you would cut this guy instead of getting something in return for him and that is 1) To avoid paying a roster bonus and/or 2)that the Rams wanted or needed to generate some extra cap room quickly, maybe to close the deals with J. Smith and the other draft picks or maybe they see someone available that would be a better use of Pisa’s cap space. In any case, teams are already showing alot of interest in Pisa and he could have brought a low level pick at worst if we had waited a little bit.
by cuseguy on May 8, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree....
Besides, where was this move on draft day? Geez, my patience with this front office is growing thin. How long is this ‘Honeymoon’ phase going to last?
I like some of the moves, but at some point, we need to look at this with a level head and not thinking any/every move is a good one.
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
by RamsMan83 on May 8, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This year's salary is saved, all of his bonus is paid
IDK if someone covered this or not, but they get paid in 2 parts – Base Salary and Bonus. Salary usually gets higher in each year of the contract, but the bonus spread in equal, annual amounts.
I believe the Rams are off the hook for his Salary but whatever is left of his Bonus – meaning all of the remaining annual payments – is still counted against the salary cap. He had 2009, 2010 and 2011 left.
Scout.com says the Rams will indeed get some cap relief and that annual bonus money left totals up to 2M. PFT says his base salary was 3.25M.
If they’re both true, then:
- His base salary for 2009 was 3.25M That is taken off our salary cap.
- His total bonus left through 2011 was 2M. That counts against the cap.
- Rams end up with 1.25M more space at the end of the day.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 8, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
..except
I am reminded the exception would be some particular bonuses that are earned and (I think) counted as you go, such as roster bonus.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 8, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never Mind
Jim Thomas of SLToday has different numbers
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 8, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can trade Leonard but not Tinoisamoa?
That makes no sense.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 8, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well..? does it?
If you think it makes sense to lose your leading tackler, and not even get a 5th or 6th round pick, then go ahead and explain yourself. Obviously the guy had some market value.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 8, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True leading tackler last year, but
he always seem to be getting pushed backwards,never realy stufed runs,i think our saftys were harder hitting then Pissa,so making most of the tackles and getting pushed back all the time is not a ideal fit for this defence,lets face it if there was market value for PIssa dont you thing Denaney would have delt him some were?
by james535 on May 9, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out with the old
In with the . . . nothing?
by Option27 on May 8, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what this move is leading to
Are they interested by the possible depth at OLB in the 2010 draft? Are they clearing space to make a move for Anquan Boldin or Braylon Edwards? This is certainly unforeseen.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on May 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Then they shoulda got a pick in return
No way they can trade Brian Leonard, who had 2 carries last year, and can’t trade the team’s leading tackler. No way! The more I think about this, the more pissed I am.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 8, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is no suprize to me Van
ive been telling you for the last two years that Pissa sucks thats your boy Van lol you always be talking about Pissa this and Pissa that lol ,well i been waiting for this and its about time
by james535 on May 8, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"you always be talking"
…..that’s all you have to know about this post.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 8, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is More
There is something more to this that we don’t know. There must’ve been some personal situation or discipline situation that lead to this. Pisa did have a troubled past. Something had to happen behind the scenes that we may or may not find out.
I’m sure Spags is planning to replace him somehow. However, with a release, there had to be something that made him do it now. A trade would’ve seemed obvious otherwise.
by Oski Bear on May 8, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure anything unusual happened...
Spags and co. have simply cleaned out a lot of players from the 2nd worst team in the NFL. Being the leading tackler on a terrible defense that allowed 29 ppg last year is no automatic ticket to retention. I watched all 16 Ram games last year and Pisa sure missed his share of tackles too. Perhaps, he didn’t have a good mini-camp or didn’t buy into Spag’s change of direction. Maybe Vobora and/or Draft are better than we think? I doubt Pisa will be missed. And I still expect to see others go to; Tye Hill, Joel Klop, etc. Nobody can say this year’s group isn’t a NEW Rams team.
by edpjr on May 8, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think any other team
would take him with a payroll number of over $4 mill. (according to Jim Thomas). Yes, I’m sure some teams would like to have him as insurance in their LB corps, but not at that price. He just isn’t a solid and consistent enough player to pay that kind of money. That’s probably why they couldn’t trade him. The mental giants running the team over the last three years screwed up lots of things, including his pay situation. Again according to Thomas this frees up $2.25 mill. of cap money, which should only matter if they have another move in mind.
Pisa was our leading tackler the last two years, but how many of those tackles were after the other team had a first down? And how many times did he just get run over by the offense? I heard the guys on one of the sports radio programs today joking that they had received a wire from all the NFC West running backs telling Pisa they were sorry to see him leave. This move was a shock, but not everyone thought he was a good player.
by andyrose on May 8, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You heard it here first rams will get peppers and play him as lb
by RAMS WE DA BEST on May 8, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's no way.
There’s no way the Rams would give up 2 first round picks to sign him.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
by Tackle Box on May 8, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice dream....
but Peppers would be needed on our D-Line, which is s very weak spot on our team.
by edpjr on May 9, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAYBE
We could just sign Pisa for less. I would be all for that. Not that we can’t do without him. He just doesn’t seem to be that bad of a player. He probably won’t go unemployed very long though.
by dbcouver on May 8, 2009 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pisa is gone
and he will probably signed by a team desperate for backers.
by cincyboy on May 8, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
this is a surprise to me…….the 09 Rams will almost be unrecognizable……..maybe thats a good thing…………good luck in your career Pisa
3k for Rams asst GM.....someone make it happen!
I have proof TackleBox IS Jim Haslett
by JordansDad on May 9, 2009 6:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is definitely a good thing!
Pisa may get a job somewhere, but nobody in the NFL wants most of our cast-offs from last year’s miserable team. Thanks Spags!
by edpjr on May 9, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disappointed
I always thought Tino was a good linebacker. He seemed like he worked hard, and I thought he did a great job while he was in STL. I’m not all too sure about the move – and frankly, I’m surprised like everyone else. It’s kinda sad to see him go.
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by zoomzoomj88 on May 9, 2009 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well it was kind of predictable
That he would be cut or have a diminished role with less money after they drafted Laurinitus.
by cincyboy on May 9, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because drafting Laurinaitis moves Witherspoon out of the MLB spot, and back to the position Pisa would be playing.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 9, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and moved pisa back to the other side were he played before
by NICKSC on May 9, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I guess they liked what Chris Draft did in that spot (for a lot less money) last year.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i like draft as a player but i thought we wanted “younger players”
by NICKSC on May 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(crickets)
Sorry, got no answer for that one. :\
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 9, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
additions
i think with their cap situation they’ll sign another LB (or WR or both) both don’t expect any thing more than solid depth guys. they don’t have the money for marquee names
by VanRam on May 9, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My Buddies and I always called Pisa
Halfstep. It seemed that he was always one halfstep away from making a big tackle, interception or sack that would be game changing. It was amazing to sit in the stands with our group and yell out HALFSTEP! for every time Pisa would come close to making a big play, only to see the play result in a big play for the offence. We had a blast with that line.
Now, at work when someone screws up while having good intentions it is commonly referred to as halfstep.
Pisa is a good guy, wonderful team player, hard working warrior that always seemed a halfstep away from stardom. I think many of us can sympathyze with always being a halfstep away from getting that big break in life.
Steriods is...is bad.
by Handsome Jimmy on May 9, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"I never half-step cos I'm not a half-stepper"
Always a halfstep away from stardom… that’s a perfect epitaph for Pisa.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 9, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 year
Part of the 2 year plan is to tank this year. We have a decent left side of the Oline and Steven Jackson. We have a decent D backfield. Everyone else is new or only depth value. We’re headin for another long year.
by dbcouver on May 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about "tanking"...
But I think we have to temper the talk about winning 7 or 8 games. I mean, a 5-win season would be “tanking” for a lot of other teams, but for us it represents real improvement. (kinda sad!)
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 9, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a surprise
witherspoon will replace pisa, Laurenitis will take Witherspoons spot but culberson didnt look to good last year. Draft has clearly lost a step from his younger nfl years. Vobora probabley couldnt even make it on another nfl roster. Chamberlne has not shown me anything. Looks like a huge hole at the other starting lb spot. Pisa was good and a ram favorite but he wasnt an elite lb who should be getting that much money. Early on in his career he made big hits and big plays. I didnt see much of that last year, or any at all actually. But I do think he is better than any of the lb that will be filling in his spot. This year we will pick 1st or 2nd to last in the nfl. Bradford get ready to be a Ram with the first overall pick.
by ivobox on May 10, 2009 2:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Draft
looked pretty good last year when he played. He will do a decent job for us this year. Still, he is getting up there and won’t be around for much longer. I hope Grant turns out to be a winner, or we pick someone up as a free agent.
by andyrose on May 10, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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