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Referees, and the failure of the NBA

  It's fair to say I was a very serious fan of the Dallas Mavericks for a long time.  I remember following Brad Davis, Rolando Blackman and Mark Aguirre.  I had the only season tickets of any sport I've ever owned for the 2002-2003 season, and saw the Mavs at home for 41 regular season games and every postseason game until they lost in 6 to the eventual champions, the San Antonio Spurs.

  That's why it surprised so many of my family and friends when I told them a couple years ago, that I couldn't watch NBA games.

  Despite my love for the sport and the ability of so many players at the top level, I grew tired of seeing referees determine the fate of individual games, from the most mundane to the most important.  I still astound my sister, a rabid Mavs fan, when I tell her I really don't care how the Mavs fare.  It's not because I don't want to root for the team; it's the simple fact I can't support the National Basketball Association as a governinig sports body.  A prime example, which has an obvious Mavericks tie, is the final 6 seconds of Saturday's game 3 contest against the visiting Denver Nuggets.

  In case you don't follow the NBA, or the Mavericks or Nuggets, let me set the scene.  Denver arrived up 2-0 in the Western Conference Semifinals and held their own throughout the game.  Dallas was never able to run away, but with 6.5 seconds on the clock and up 2, the game seemed either headed to overtime or to game 4 with Dallas having edged out a close one, as whoever caught the inbound pass was sure to be fouled.  Carmelo Anthony received the pass, and was promptly fouled, albeit lightly, by a defending Antoine Wright.  This in an of itself was a bit surprising, as the referee crew had called every single foul and many extra, resulting in 89 free throws up to that point.  Wright, understanding he had to foul harder to put Anthony on the line, bumped into Anthony with his shoulder and hacked his arm to the point where Anthony was forced to swipe Wright's arm away just to stay inbounds.  Despite the obvious foul and Anthony's attempt to escape a turnover by stepping out of bounds, the refs held their whistles.  Their silence was deafening as Anthony rose to hit the game-winning three-pointer.

  Now this story isn't about whining about the non-call.  Anthony hit the shot and his persistence and skill are the reason the Nuggets won the game.  What this story is about is why the NBA is a farce and the NFL is miles ahead in terms of running a sports league.

  Just hours after the game ended, the NBA released a statement, saying:

the officials missed an intentional foul committed by Antoine Wright on Carmelo Anthony.

I could do nothing but laugh when I heard this.  Not only was the NBA unable to admit that the officials missed "two" intentional fouls, but the release said nothing of the magnitude of the referees' errors.  To put this in perspective, let's look at what happens when an NFL referee misses a call.

ESPN's Elizabeth Merrill wrote an incredible story on the aftermath of Ed Hochuli's missed call from last year.  Consider a couple distinctions.

1: Hochuli immediately realized he made a mistake, but was unable to correct it due to a technicality in the rules.  Refs make mistakes, but when they have the rationality to recognize a mistake and make an admission seconds later, you can at least take comfort in the fact that the referees are practical enough to view the game on its merits.  Hochuli had to deal with calls for his suspension, this despite being one of the most respected referees byu NFL head coaches. The NFL was realistic enough to change the rule so as to allow said referees to review the play in the booth and examine the play so as to make the right call.  Kudos to the NFL for having done so.  Now consider the NBA.  Does anyone expect Mark Wunderlich, the referee who failed to make the call, to come out and admit he made a mistake?  Or to struggle with his non-call?  How many missed calls do NBA refs make per game?  Heh.

2: The Hochuli missed call came in week 2 of the NFL season.  I repeat, this was the second game of the season, giving each team 14 games to prove their talent.  The Saturday basketball game, on the other hand, was a crucial game 3 that would either hand the series to the Nuggets, or keep the Mavericks in it.  Whereas Hochuli's mistake was during an early regular season game, the mistake on Saturday was during a conference semi-final.  Consider the backlash Had Hochuli made this during the divisional playoffs of the NFL.

3: The mistake in the Mavs-Nugs game would have been on an unknown name to the casual fan, Antoine Wright, sending a well known name to the line to tie the game, Carmelo Anthony.  Did this play a role in the non-call?  I bet my balls on it.

There a couple other discrepancies I could highlight, but I think I've covered it enough.  What is the point of this?  The NFL manages the rules of its sport with integrity.  The rules are a framework within which the best coaches can extract the most potential of the best players on any given Sunday.  In the NBA, the rules are meant to be a set of suggestions to referees to use as guidelines in marketing the ultimate product of the NBA: superstars.

The NFL is a team game: 11 men crashing into 11 other men in an attempt to move a ball into the end zone.  The NBA, in stark contrast to the college version, is a game dependent on the superstars to not only perform on the court, but have good teeth and maintain marketable characteristics (see: Michael Jordan's tongue, LeBron's pre-game chalk explosions, Shaq's personality).  In the NFL, personalities are often a minus.  They draw away from the reality that every play in football requires team cohesion.  The game of basketball, on the other hand, is often a game of LeBron, Kobe, Dwayne, Dirk, or any other player, taking on one or two defenders and succeeding.  In a game that depends on individual success, as opposed to team successes, officiators are pressured to ensure those individuals are allowed as much advantage as possible.  Otherwise, the nature of the game fails.  That is the problem.

The NBA has turned itself into a game of individuals.  Remember the Celtics?  A dynasty build on team play, both superstars and role players?  Or Chuck Daly (rest in peace.  The NBA need you around for another 25 years) and his Bad Boy Pistons?  Those were teams.  Look how easy it was for the Celtics last season when they actually put a team together.  The 1961-62 Philadelphia Warriors' season, when Wilt Chamberlain scored more than 4,000 points, ended when they faced the Boston Celtics, who boasted five 1,000-point scorers.  Most would remember Bill Russell; it might surprise you that Russell was the second-highest scorer on the team behind Tommy Heinsohn.  That wouldn't happen in today's NBA; Chamberlain would get dozens of calls in the lane as long as he screamed loudly enough, flailed his arms, and flopped around on the ground like any of today's top floppers (Manu Ginobili anyone?).

It's not that the sport of basketball is inferior to football; it's that the organizational body that governs these sports has walked two differing paths.  One has relegated themselves to the fates of specific players to determine not only the fate of specific contests, but the entire destiny of a season and by extension the league; the other has placed its' future into the hands of talent, skill and management.

There's a reason why the NFL is considering (or not, if you believe Goodell) playing a Super Bowl in London.  It's that the NFL runs its sport respectably.  Mr. Stern, here's a suggestion: when one of your referees is found to be illegally refereeing games so as to push money into underground betting circles and the referees of your sport are so bad, that no one can identify who it is after watching countless hours of recorded NBA games, something is wrong with the way you enforce the rules of your sport.  When you're forced to apologize mere hours after a referee determined the fate of a playoff series, something is wrong with the way your referees interpret the rules of your sport.  And when either the Lakers or Cavaliers win this year's Larry O'Brien trophy and the defining moment is not a team play, but Kevin Garnett telling us anything is possible or King James assuming the mantle that Michael Jordan laid down more than a decade ago, take a second and realize how inferior your association is to the NFL.  Realize it is because you promote players above teams.  Realize you have sacrificed the heart of your game to make more money by selling tennis shoes.  Realize that the future of your organization is in China, eastern Europe and South America because you have failed to promote one of the most basic tenets of football, baseball, hockey, and, yes, even your beloved basketball:

Teams win team sports... dumbass.

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Have to disagree....

To say say the NFL is a holy saint compared to the NBA is making a way to generalized point.

“see: Michael Jordan’s tongue, LeBron’s pre-game chalk explosions, Shaq’s personality.In the NFL, personalities are often a minus.”

But just because personalities are a minus, doesnt mean they dont exist. For every Jordan there is TO, for every Lebron James there is Chad Johnson oh wait my fault, Chad Ocho Cinco and for every Shaq there is Randy Moss.

“In a game that depends on individual success, as opposed to team successes”

The game doesnt depend on individual success, but BOTH the NBA and NFL have some teams that are exceptions. Honestly, you wanna talk about a team of individuals? see: Dallas Cowboys.

You are correct about the “TEAM” concept but 5 on 5 is a lot different from 11 on 11. In the NBA if one guy messes up he has four guys to help him out, but in the NFL if one guy messes up he has ten guys to help him out. Its a lot less pressure when there are so many other options on the field.

And your reference to the Bad Boy Pistons and last years Celtics as dynasties built on teams is true but look at the make up of those teams. Those teams had stars like Isaiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Bill Lambier, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce. My point is that when you put a group of solid players on a team they will be successful….but when you have one great star and a bunch of idiots on a team they will be at best slightly better then average:

Look at the Lakers a couple of years ago. Kobe was a beast putting up 50 points left and right because he had no supporting cast. I mean who was he gonna pass it to….Kwame Brown???? But now theyve brought in guys like Pau Gasol, Derek Fisher, and Trevor Ariza to help kobe out. Now they are considered the favorites to win the championship. Look at the effect on Kobe now that he has solid players around him….he has become a great team player and puts up about 25 points a game, not 50. They are now a “team” and no longer the “Los Angeles Kobes.” (Same with Lebron an the Cavs since they added Mo Williams. He actually outscored Lebron plenty of times this season and now they have become a great team. Lebron has a solid team around him and now they as well are considered a favorite this year.)

“The game of basketball, on the other hand, is often a game of LeBron, Kobe, Dwayne, Dirk, or any other player, taking on one or two defenders and succeeding.

Your wrong on Kobe and Lebron for the reasons above. But of course the game depends on guys like Dwayne or Dirk taking on multiple defenders and succeeding because they have no team around them. You cant believe that The Heat and Mavs are teams made up of solid players…becuase there not.

All this said, of course the stars of the NBA need to produce night in night out as “stars” because their teams success depends on it. And its simply because not everyone in the NBA has a great “team” like the Lakers, Cavs, Celtics, or Bad Boy Pistons.

by rams since day1 on May 11, 2009 1:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

playing defense

  What I meant to suggest in terms of personalities is that in the NBA, they turn in to marketable characteristics. The individuality that the sport promotes is reflected in the fact that Jordan, James & O’Neal are salesmen. It’s why Jordan still makes Fruit of the Loom commercials. In the NFL, on the other hand, personalities become distractions. Johnson/Cinco and Owens (I don’t think Moss is nearly the problem child those two are) make their teams worse because of their individuality. Even though they’re both talented and Owens was a phenomenal receiver, their potential is compromised because of the characters they are, unlike the NBA where having such an animated personality makes you a bigger star and, thus, gets you more calls, inflating your stats and making you seem better than you are.
  As for the individual vs. team concept, the Cowboys actually make my point stronger. Because they are a collection of individuals and not a cohesive unit, they fail at football. The Lakers of the ’90’s on the other hand, a true collection of individuals, was very successful. That’s part of the nature of the game, but referees make it easier for the marketed targets of the league to get to the free throw line undeservedly. Watch how Kevin Durant will begin to gain the favor of referees, not because he is insanely talented, but he will be marketed to the fan base at large, and the cycle of “make a star – get him to the line – make him a bigger star” will be blatant.
  And for today’s Lakers, let me ask you a leading hypothetical question. Do Derek Fisher and Trevor Ariza get the kind of calls Kobe or Pau get? The reason is that the rules of the NBA are set up to sell the game, not officiate it.
  In the end, the sentence I would disagree with you on the most is:

the stars of the NBA need to produce night in night out

That’s the exact opposite of what I’m saying. What I’m suggesting is
the NBA needs the stars to produce night in night out

They have relegated themselves into a specific marketing device by which referees are pressured into showng specific partiality to those players which make the NBA a more profitable organization.

Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.

by 3k on May 11, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You make some good points but....

i have to respectfully disagree on a few things.

First of all….i disagree about the referees and how the NBA works. I watch practically every Laker game and the refs DO NOT control the game. (well besides a few last second scenarios i guess)

The individuality that the sport promotes is reflected in the fact that Jordan, James & O’Neal are salesmen. It’s why Jordan still makes Fruit of the Loom commercials. In the NFL, on the other hand, personalities become distractions. Johnson/Cinco and Owens (I don’t think Moss is nearly the problem child those two are) make their teams worse because of their individuality.

You dont think the individuality of a player in the NBA becomes a distraction and makes their team worse? It is just as bad to be an individual player in the NBA as it is in the NFL. Look at Kobe a couple years back….boy was that a distraction that certainly affected his team.

the NBA where having such an animated personality makes you a bigger star and, thus, gets you more calls, inflating your stats and making you seem better than you are.

I dont care what sport your in, if you have an animated personality….you will be a bigger star. And sure, according to you, there stats may go up making the thought of being an individual player in the NBA a positive….BUT just because there stats go up doesnt mean their team will succeed. Im sure players know this which is why, just like in the NFL, they try to build a team concept.

Do Derek Fisher and Trevor Ariza get the kind of calls Kobe or Pau get?

Umm from what ive watched yes. lol Kobe and Paus stats are blown up because they are the best players on the court hands down. Now let me ask you a question….Do you think Fisher and Ariza are as talented and as good a players as Pau or Kobe? Anyone who follows the NBA knows they arent. I am a die hard derek fisher fan and he is my personal favorite NBA player, but even i know that he is not the same level player as Kobe or Pau.

As for the individual vs. team concept, the Cowboys actually make my point stronger. Because they are a collection of individuals and not a cohesive unit, they fail at football.


What im saying is that just like the NBA has teams of individuals so does the NFL. The Cowboys were just an example of that.

The Lakers of the ’90’s on the other hand, a true collection of individuals, was very successful.

I definitely have a problem with this point. The lakers of the 90’s were as much of a TEAM as you could get. Guys like Magic Johnson, Michael Cooper, and James Worthy were a perfect example of the ultimate team player. But thats not why they were successful, its because they had a group of great players. Those teams were filled with Hall of Famers. I guarantee if it was just Magic or just Kareem or just Worthy and none of the other great players around them….the Lakers of the 90’s or those guys as individuals would not have turned out to be so great.

the NBA needs the stars to produce night in night out

No they dont. Thats like saying if my favorite “star” plays sub par and is not putting up huge numbers, then i will begin to dislike him and stop watching him all in all. NBA fans are as dedicated as any other sport. Heck a lot of people enjoy watching a group of role players stepping up and succeeding more then the typical star performance night in night out.

by rams since day1 on May 11, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

sorry bout the giant blue box….

by rams since day1 on May 11, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a well written article, however....

I have to disagree with it. Just because this happened in the playoffs doesn’t make it that big of a miscall. The NFL has apologized many times for a blown call, this is just blown out of proportion because it was in the playoffs.

First, I don’t even consider this a “blown call” or “missed call”. The fault of this goes on Antoine Wright for not actually FOULING him. Instead of reaching in and tapping him on the arm, why wouldn’t he grab him or tackle him even? If he wanted to foul him, then he failed because all I saw him do was reach in. If I was the ref, I wouldn’t have called that a foul either. The fail of the day goes to Mr. Wright.

Second, I have to disagree that the NFL is ‘light years ahead’ of the NBA as a league. The NBA is popular WORLD WIDE. The NFL can’t get any fans outside of the east and west coast. The NBA has Yao Ming. China is a country comprised of over 1.3 BILLION people. The Billion with a B. That means the NBA has the ability to reach 1.3 Billion people, due to the popularity of ONE man, in Yao Ming. I don’t think I will ever, in my lifetime, see the NFL be popular in China. And I’m 25 years old. The NFL had a league in Europe that folded. However, we have kids in the U.S. not even graduating high school and they are going over to Europe to play basketball.

Third, comparing apples to apples, David Stern is a much better commish than Goddell. Stern has a great rookie salary structure, a great concept in guaranteed contracts, and doesn’t have HALF the problems that the NFL has. Goddell is dealing with the looming collective bargaining agreement/uncapped season, player character issues off the field, and trying to expand the sport worldwide. Stern is sitting back worrying about referee problems. Who’s shoes would you rather be in?

Lastly, I personally believe the NFL is making a huge mistake by promoting and enforcing the team aspect of the game. It’s great that they want to promote unity and the team concept, however americans do not relate to that. Here’s why.
- American’s have always clung to individuals more than a unit. Look at corporate america. If something goes wrong, we don’t blame the company, we blame the leader, the CEO. If the team does poorly, we blame the leader, or individual. When the team does good, you recognize the leader and not the team. In politics, we don’t recognize an entire cabinet when the nation does good, we recognize the president. Why should the NFL fight this concept?
- When NFL fans show support, I’m willing to bet over 65% of fans watch the game for the players more than the team. More people have favorite players than teams. When you buy an NFL jersey, do you buy it without the number or names? No, you buy a jersey of your favorite player.
- The NFL is greedy, especially when it comes to marketing. They enforce rules that make it harder for a player to market themselves. For instance, the NFL has a rules that won’t let you do end zone celebrations and also a rule that won’t let you take your helmet off while on the field. Sure you can argue safety, but it’s more so that the individual doesn’t get recognition. This hurts players because in order to market themselves, they have to be shown with some sort of NFL franchise affiliation. That’s when the NFL steps in and gets their cut of the money. That’s why I don’t blame T.O. or Ocho Cinco for their actions because personally, they can’t make any money outside the football field without those actions.

On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz

by RamsMan83 on May 11, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right

we’re supposed to believe that it’s ok for Ocho Cinco and TO to do their thing. Personally I’m glad they can’t. I hate watching the celebration become part of the game. Thats not enforced to control marketing. Thats done because those who value that crap are in the minority. You may think team first is bad for marketing but it sure seems to bode well for success in the win column, especially in the playoffs. Who really thinks TO and Ocho Cinco can’t make thir money without their silly ass antics.

by dbcouver on May 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me?
Who really thinks TO and Ocho Cinco can’t make their money without their silly ass antics.

Yea they can make there money without the antics, but would they be as famous without them?….NO.

Perfect example:

Who is the bigger reciever in the NFL…TO or Torry Holt? Ocho Cinco or Torry Holt?

Torry is the ultimate team player and those guys are the exact opposite….but we all know who gets more face time and who is talked about more on ESPN.

by rams since day1 on May 11, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And keep in mind

You can add up the Super Bowl rings of Ocho Cinco and Terrell Owens, and they’re still less than Torry…. because they haven’t won one.

Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.

by 3k on May 11, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct.

All im saying is that like the NBA, the NFL has its own part in glorifying individual players like TO/ Ocho Cinco and not team players like Torry Holt.

by rams since day1 on May 11, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

games are fixed the world over in every sport

EUROPE OR USA is all the same,it actualy started with Socker in Europe thats were the fixing games was born

by james535 on May 11, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am surprised that

you were even watching that game and then took the time to write this post if, as you say, you don’t care who wins NBA games. I agree with your point that officiating in the NBA seems spotty at best, but it doesn’t seem any worse to me than the way pass interference is enforced (or not) in the NFL.

by WestCoastBuc on May 11, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Every thing is fixed

Why are we talking about the NBA referees when we have more if not worst problems in NFL referees,its simple every sport is fixed for gambling and the only one that can controll every aspect of the game is the referee,there is billions of dollars bet every year on sports, too much money involved to leve it to chance, the games are fixed and its the referee that controlls the outcome of the fixed games,they use to pay players long time ago,but it never work well for them,players would get paid to not preform to there level but that did not garantee a win, now all major sports are fixed with use of the reffs,its not a matter of making a bad call lol, Any one that thinks sports are playd on the idea that the better team winns lol well you will have a rude awakening one day
every thing is fixed ,prearanged from Vagas Mobsters at the highest level, all sports are controlled no exeption to this rule

by james535 on May 11, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Referees have now made fixing games an art form

Thay are so good that you get slaped with a silk glove and you dont even know it lol,just look at the set up, we have instant replay But we cant chalange the reffs call in the 2 minute mark lol the most important part of the game,we have instant replay But we cant chalange the call if the wistle has blown lol what a fucking joke, if they wanted it to be fair its very symple,if the call is rong change the fucking call no matter what part of the fucking game it is ,if i was not such a die hard Rams fan iwould not even watch football
if you consider your self a smart guy then its just insulting to watch this circus act
every NFL program that is on TV the weel prior to sundays games ,are all geard to misslead your pic on sunday to benefit the gambling empire,after Dick Vermial retired during a Rames Eagles game in Philly he was asked to go to the brodcast booth at half time and Jerry Glandvill asked Dick if he would like to come there and work with them the answer that Dick Vermiel gave them stuned the hole studio from the expression on there faces, Vermiel told Glandvill quote ,I CAN NOT TELL ENUPH LIES TO WORK ON THIS SHOW
LOL HA HA HA
because Dick knows that there job on those shows is to misslead every one ,thats what they get paid to do
Beleve me this is way past referees making bad calls
its organized crime at its best

by james535 on May 11, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Diego Maradona

The International superstart Argentene player during a world cup loss to Germanny stated ,IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE ITALLIAN MAFIA WE WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME
lol
ofcource that statement did not suprize me as i was a GM on a socker team in Greece at the time and had paid hundreds of referees for my team to win over a period of 15 years
this was comon practice in all levels of socker in Greece and every European country
FIFA is mafia owned lol

by james535 on May 11, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I immediately move to open a TST Hall of Fame

and make James the first inductee.

Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.

by 3k on May 11, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post, and discussion

I have to agree with you, though with the grain of salt that some of the other commenters have brought up, that the NFL has its share of suspicious calls as well. For example, the inane Tom Brady “tuck” rule, which the league still defends.

But the sum total of referee interference — or for that matter, referee incompetence — in the NFL is nowhere near the level that it is in the NBA. It’s one of the few topics that I agree with Bill Simmons on 100%. His writing on the subject has been scathing, and he writes on it often, and in depth. (And manages not to make cloying “Fresh Prince” references while doing so, a remarkable act of restraint on his part.)

As far as the personalities go, though, I wish that football and baseball players showed a bit more. Not to put yourself above the team, but to be more open and entertaining to the fans. There is a showmanship to the NBA that doesn’t exist in other sports — even individual sports like tennis — that’s actually pretty appealing at times. I have the misery of rooting for the Golden State Warriors, and when Baron Davis brought them back into the playoffs and upset the Mavericks, his enthusiasm and energy was contagious. And at the same time, you could read the frustration and defeat on Nowitzki’s face. (Of course, now Baron is gone, and the Warriors have devolved back into a pathetic anonymity.)

But I refuse to believe that every sports league is fixed. Why watch, why allow ourselves to get sucked in if they were?

And if marketing drove the fates and outcomes of the NBA Finals, why in hell would Detroit ever have won anything?

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on May 12, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I'd like football players to show less of their personalities

There’s nothing that pisses me off than every single time a receiver doesn’t catch a ball, either due to being defended properly, an overthrown ball, or simply dropping it, the corner back has to pound on his chest and act like he’s the greatest person to ever live. Even when he didn’t do a damn thing.

And that crap even gets me more pissed off when his team is losing by 3 touchdowns.

Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.

by Tackle Box on May 12, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying it's "fixed"

I’m saying the league has a vested interest in seeing specific players on specific teams do well. That interests results in extra pressure being put upon the referees to ensure they promote those players above the letter of the law.

Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.

by 3k on May 12, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

definitely had an informing and well argued conversation….thanks for that.

by rams since day1 on May 12, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what your saying

And your right ,but im saying its fixed because i know from personal experiences in over 15 years of dealing with paying off reffs to win or games,i can tell you so many real storys that you can right a book,and be quite amazed at what goes on behind the curtains of the sports world

by james535 on May 12, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The police often questions him just because they find him interesting
He lives vicariously through himself
He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt
James IS the most interesting poster on this blog

We need a pitcher...not a DL itcher!

by gorams77 on May 13, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn fires a pass in the first quarter of an NFL football game against the Minnesota Vikings Sunday, Sept. 13, 2009, in Cleveland. (AP Photo/Mark Duncan) +2 updates

Cleveland Browns Trade Brady Quinn To Broncos For Peyton Hillis, Conditional Picks

FILE - In this Sept. 4, 2009 file photo, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Shaun Hill aims a pass downfield against the San Diego Chargers during the first quarter of an NFL preseason football game in San Diego. Hill earned the starting job for the 2009 season by beating out Alex Smith, who missed last season after re-injuring his surgically repaired throwing shoulder. Head coach Mike Singletary largely chose Hill based on his play down the stretch last year: he went 5-3 over the final eight games and he also owns a 5-0 record at home in Candlestick Park.  (AP Photo/Lenny Ignelzi, File)

49ers Trade QB Shaun Hill To Lions For Seventh-Round Pick

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, right, makes a statement at the Steelers offices in Pittsburgh, as coach Mike Timlin looks on,  Thursday, July 23, 2009.  Roethlisberger says allegations by a Lake Tahoe casino hostess that he raped her a year ago are "reckless and false." (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar) link

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