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Not so top ten

We need the draft to get here ASAP. Pundits are scrambling for something to fill columns with, and the latest talking point appears to be that this the worst year for the top ten picks/prospects in the draft, something that I suspect has to do with the lack of a home run quarterback more than anything. 

NFL Network's draft expert Mike Maycock shared some nuggets suggesting as much to Peter King (I know) recently. To wit:

This is by far the worst year for the top 10 that I've seen. Down around 18, 20, you'll get every bit the player you'll get in the top 10 for a third of the price.

Besides adding to the "Stafford's not that great" talk, Maycock says a few things about the prospects that the Rams could pick. 

Of Curry: He should be an outside LB in a 4-3 because of his coverage and pass rush ability. I can't totally disagree with that, as far as it relates to the Rams. If they drafted Curry, he could replace Pisa and they could find a MLB later in the draft.

Of the OTs: He like Monroe better than Smith, acknowledging what's been said already: Smith has upside, Monroe's ready to be an elite pass blocker. Hard to disagree with that, and it raises the question of whether or not the Rams should take either one of those guys with the second pick if they can get an OT later on in the draft. 

All of this drives at the argument for the Rams to trade down, a question the hometown sports writers at the PD answered today with mixed opinions. 

Trading down would be great, but it just doesn't seem like a very realistic possibility. That might depend on USC QB Mark Sanchez's draft stock, which seems to be rising based on comparison to Stafford. If conventional wisdom emerges that he's the better NFL QB, taking him at #2 isn't a stretch, which means the Rams could possibly lure a QB hungry team into a trade. 

The real problem this point to, in my mind, is rookie salaries. It would be great if the league and union could agree to fix this (ha!) so a high pick isn't such a disincentive. This will be even more of a problem if the league ditches the salary cap in the next CBA, as the small market teams will be the ones most consistently picking in the top five.

What say you? Trade and try to get a couple of first rounders or stay at #2?

On tap for today: The mock draft rolls on. I never got Jacksonville's #8 pick, so I'm picking it myself. MathB representing Green Bay at #9, get ready.

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Trading Down

Trading down would be great for the Rams if they know who they are interested later in the first. We have a lot of holes on our roster and it would just be smart to trade down (as long as we know who we are targeting with those picks). I think the only way this is going to happen is if the Sanchez hype keeps building. As mentioned above, there is a lot of talk about how great he has looked and it isn’t totally outside the realm of possibility that Stafford goes #1 and another team tries to get into the #2 spot to grab Sanchez before Seattle is on the clock. (Denver I am looking at you…..give us your 2 first rounders and you can have Sanchez. You know you can’t trade in division with KC so we are your only hope to get above Seattle!)

On another note (touched on above), I have really been hearing a lot of pro-Monroe talk the last few days. On Sirius NFL radio they were discussing the fact that it is possible that Smith’s post-combine draft stock has started to slip a little when looking at tape. They also said (I have no idea what their source was so take it with a grain of salt) that the Rams like Monroe better than Smith. Who knows what will happen, but I think everyone should mentally prepare themselves for the possibility of a Stafford #1 pick followed by a Eugene Monroe #2 pick by the Rams. I don’t know that it will happen, but I think it is a very real possibility.

P.S. Does anyone have their own opinion of Smith vs. Monroe? Not the stuff all the pundits kept cycling around, but their own opinion. Did someone out there watch a ton of college football last year and see these guys in action? I would just be interested to hear someone’s opinion who has watched them play.

by Hetfield72 on Apr 9, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw a lot of Monroe and 3 plays, I think, of Smith

so I’m hesitant to compare the two, but I have seen Monroe play in at least a dozen games since his freshman year.
  The easiest comparison would be D’Brickashaw Ferguson, his predecessor at UVA. Both are more athletic slide blocking LTs, and very good ones at that. Monroe has very quick footwork, and controls his frame well.
Another apt comparison would be Chris Samuels, the veteran Redskin who left Alabama a decade ago (and no, you can’t make a Samuels-Andre Smith comparison). Both use a similar style of agility-based mirror blocks; the comparison ends, though, because of Samuels’ experience and health. Samuels has put in 9 season at the NFL level, and played in all 16 games in 6 of those seasons. Monroe’s injury history is an an unavoidable red flag for many teams; he dislocated his knee in 2006 (which required surgery) and sprained it the next year (which didn’t require surgery), but, to his credit, he played through both injuries, only missing two games after the sprain.
If I need to get technical I can, I just don’t know how nerdy you’re looking for.
To sum it up, I’ll say this: I would feel more comfortable with Monroe on our line than Jason Smith for the 2009 season. By 2011, Jason Smith might surpass him, but Monroe will still be a very capable, consistent tackle fi his knees hold up.

Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.

by 3k on Apr 9, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

That was pretty informative. You sound like you know what you are talking about :) I heard about the knee issues with Monroe. That does sound a bit concerning. If I were going to draft him I would really want to know everything I could about his knees because that would be terrible to have a guy drafted that high who can’t finish a season.

You reminded me of something above. What is the verdict on D’Brickashaw at this point (besides the fact that he has the most outlandish name I have ever heard)? He was picked 4th overall and I haven’t really followed how he has done since he came into the league. I get the impression he is considered a serviceable tackle, but not a really elite left tackle (but I could be wrong about that).

by Hetfield72 on Apr 9, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would put him in the "good" to "very good" category

He could enter the “elite” category for pass blocking this year, but not run blocking. He’s just not thick enough.

Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.

by 3k on Apr 9, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is a strange time of year

now teams will start using misdirection and media will report it.

this is fog of war for draft predicting

by VanRam on Apr 9, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

on rookie salaries

I was going to try to make a comparison between the NFL draft and the MLB draft, in which low-budget teams routinely pass on high-upside players that they don’t want to pay for. Case in point, the Cardinals passing on Rick Porcello last season, a top-5 talent who is already in the majors – the Cards could have had him at #19 but passed. There is a lot more freedom in this system for teams to essentially pay what they think is fair, regardless of their draft position. However, there is also a lot more freedom for low-budget teams to continue to shoot themselves in the foot by not taking advantage of their high draft picks.

With a completely unregulated market, you need a lot more time for negotiating, though. And the typical timeline from the baseball draft to a rookie’s appearance on the major league team is measured in years, not months. The NFL draft’s rigid salary slotting makes a lot of sense in terms of trying to accelerate newly-drafted players into their teams’ minicamps.

Unfortunately, you get years like this where there doesn’t appear to be that marquee player — either QB or RB — who will bring in the gate to justify a giant rookie salary. If there was one, I’d say it was Crabtree, but that’s not an endorsement of choosing him #1. (or #2).

It would be kind of cool if you could build incentives into rookie contracts that allow certain breakpoints based on how many jerseys they sell. (For example, TJ Oshie’s earnings would be rightfully as high as a rookie could get, for as many people he brings to the StL Blues games.) That’s part of the expectation behind the massive salaries for the top 5 players or so.

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Apr 9, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would be all for heavily incentive based rookie contracts (although I am sure the players would rather have the guaranteed money). It would mean that rookies coming in would have to earn that money and it would motivate players to push themselves. Right now you only have to push yourself to the draft: in highschool you have to play well to get into a great college, in college you have to excel so you get drafted high. But with the current system, once you get drafted in the top 5 and become one of the highest paid players at your position and most of your money is guaranteed, some guys may take a breath and feel like they can take their foot off the gas pedal. Not everyone, but it does happen.

I think Ricky Williams rookie deal was mostly incentive based and some people thought he was crazy for signing it. But he ended up earning almost all of that money and it helped motivate him early in his career.

by Hetfield72 on Apr 9, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the Ricky Williams contract was a huge point of contention once he got traded to Miami. Didn’t the team demand a bunch of incentive money to be paid back, once he quit or whatever it was he did?

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Apr 9, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with the salary rules

is that it favors teams that need a QB or HB in years where one fits the bill. Look at a player like Robert Gallery (2nd overall in ’04) — did he really deserve the same contract as a Ben Roethlisberger (11th) or, oh, I dunno, Steven Jackson at 24?

Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.

by 3k on Apr 9, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could trade the early draft picks for some proven players...

I know that Spags has a youth movement going and I largely agree with it. However, the Rams’ recent draft history, i.e. Barron, Tye Hill, Carriker and Long, has been, shall we say, less than stellar? I wonder how Carolina would bargain for Julius Peppers..? And has somebody else got a good MLB out there we could grab for a 2nd and/or 3rd round pick? A top notch D-Lineman and MLB would sure help solidify the defense.

by edpjr on Apr 9, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ed

you can get a lot of good players by trading the 2nd or 3rd rounders, look at what teams did this offseason. The question is that once you get that player are you able to afford his contract? If that was the case I think Ray Lewis would have been possible for a 2nd rounder(if he wasnt a FA), but did we want to pay 7.something a year for him, when we can draft Curry for less and get more out of him. I know you probably think proven vs unproven but all the “pundits” speak of Curry as a cant miss at any point in the 1st round. Speaking of smokescreens and hot air this time of year, do any of you guys believe that the Rams appearent lack of interest in Curry is just that, a smokescreen? Do you think they’re saying to themselves “let the rest of the world think we’re going to go OT at #2”? and they surprise everyone and go MLB or WR? just a thought, I’m extremely bored

by JordansDad on Apr 10, 2009 1:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it may well be a WR or MLB...

I agree – don’t really think the Rams are going to take spend their 1st pick on an OT. I think it will ultimately be Curry or Crabtree. And, yes, I know proven players carry high price tags. But, we freed up a lot of capital with release of Pace, Holt and others. Ray Lewis was a little too old, and was resigned anyway. But, surely there’s another quality MLB somewhere out there to be had for draft picks..? And, I keep harping on Julius Peppers. He wants out of Carolina bad, and should have some good years left. Adding a guy like Peppers (along with Butler) to the “D” would bring instant credibility.

by edpjr on Apr 10, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too much free time

Van Ram has too much free time on his hands lol letting his imagination run wild

by james535 on Apr 10, 2009 6:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Plan

OK here is what we do. Resign Berlin and Fakhir Brown to 1 year deals. Sign Dre Bly and Warrick Dunn or Tatum Bell to 2 year contracts, ! year guaranteed. Draft as follows if possible: Curry or Jason Smith if the Lions grab Curry; Ron Brace; Max Unger or Duke Robinson; Ramses Barden; Patrick Turner; Louis Vasquez; and Ra’shon Harris. The draft may not yeild Unger or Robinson AND Barden, but at least 2 reasonable OLs will be available. And unless we get Curry with the first pick, which would be a good problem, then we won’t need more than 1 anyway.

by dbcouver on Apr 11, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your plan

I think Brock Berlin is already resigned. However, both he and Fakhir should’ve been jettisoned. They just ain’t got it. It was a shame Dre Bly was let go 7 years ago, but both he and Dunn are too old now. The Rams have had a knack for letting good players go too early, i.e. Dre Bly, Kurt Warner, Az Hakim, Ricky Proehl, Kevin Curtis, Brandon Chillar, etc. Curry would be a good pick, but we don’t need to spend a 1st rounder on Jason Smith or any other O-Lineman. Michael Crabtree would be the better pick. The rest of your choices seem pretty good. We’re vulnerable on the D-Line where Little is too old, Carriker hasn’t shown anything much in 2 seasons, and Chris Long is undersized for a DE at only 263 lbs.

by edpjr on Apr 12, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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