Not happy - Linehan Philosophy Lives!
So now we’ve added Butler, Laurenitas and some DT to a defense that gave up 29, count ‘em 29, points per game last year. We’ve still got an aged Leonard Little trying to play DE, a too small Chris Long on the other end, and a fellow named Carriker at DT who has shown nothing much in the way of pass rushing or stopping the run in 2 years. We’re still saddled with Pisa at one of the LB slots and the perennially injured Tye Hill and unreliable Fahkir Brown in the backfield. Our defense, as a whole, is basically still crap. Maybe a little better crap than last year, but crap all the same. So what do we do to fix it? Draft a “big-name” OT with the 2nd overall pick when there were plenty of other ones of similar capabilities available in round 2 or 3, and then use rounds 5 & 6 for an unknown WR and QB. As a result of this mess, next fall the Cards with Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald will demolish us twice. The 49er’s with Crabtree and Gore will bomb and run all over us in both games. And the Seahawks with Hasselbeck and Housh will bomb us twice while their new LB Aaron Curry makes us wish for years to come we’d drafted him. I’ve been a Ram’s fan for 40 years and this draft appalls me. Good gracious, if we were gonna draft offense with our 1st pick, why did we pass up Sanchez who may be the next Brett Favre? Even if we didn't use him, he could've been traded for a plethora of other quality players. Jay Zygmunt, Scott Linehan and Jim Haslett must be snickering somewhere right now.
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Wow.
Seriously man you need to do better research.. Long is the perfect size for DE and will be a patrick kerney type player for yrs to come.. Fahkir Brown isnt even on the Team so thats a no-good argument…we have Ron Bartell whos a great up and coming corner and we got another big physical corner in the 3rd round. We got a great..instinctive all around solid middle linebacker in Laurinaitis who can cover too..ANd that OT is gonna power our running game making Jackson a top 3 running back again and a guy whos gonna lead our O line for years to come…
by Entreri10 on Apr 26, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Research...?
I missed the word about Fahkir, but that’s good news Thanks! Chris Long is 263 lbs. Where did you get that weight as ideal for a DE? It’s more like big LB. Bartell, Atogwe and Witherspoon (the supposed good defensive vets) were all on the “D” that surrendered 29 ppg in 2008. They can’t do much when opposing runners slice through our D-line and LBs for 40 yard runs at a crack. Neither can they maintain coverage while we give opposing QB’s inordinate amounts of time to throw. You think Little’s improved with age? No, my friend, I’m afraid my prediction is not flawed. I watched all 16 Ram games last year – virtually everyone on both sides of the ball played terrible.
by edpjr on Apr 26, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats too bad
I am going to miss using my pronunciation of Fakhir Brown.
by dbcouver on Apr 28, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Mark Sanchez may be the next Brett Favre"
Based on what? Because it popped into your head for 3 seconds?
Outstanding analysis!!!
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
by Tackle Box on Apr 26, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Haslett?
All the sports “talking heads” think Sanchez is a prize QB. Apparently so do the NY Jets, who are a heckuva lot better fb team than our Rams…. These guys have the time and money to do detailed research and analyses. The “Brett Favre” comparison was my own though :-)
by edpjr on Apr 26, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With that being said,
Kieth Null may be the next Tom Brady.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
by srdmad on Apr 27, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bulger with the Philly Offense (No Sanchez)
Hello Forum. This is my first post here.
I have been a RamFanatic since the LA days:
If you recall when Mark Bulger went to the Pro Bowl, it was Andy Reid who coached him.
Bulger made MVP in that game, and I remember his comments: “I really can play in this offense” or something to that effect. So expect to be MUCH improved this year. Shurmur our new Offensive coordinator came from Philly (remember his Dad?)
So let’s review the draft/free agents:
We needed an upgrade (big time) at Safety: Check. (Butler)
We needed to add at least one more tall CB (Tye-Bust?): Check.
We needed to replace Orlando: Check.
We needed fresh legs in the middle and move Witherspoon outside (remember him with Carolina?): Check.
We needed a “change of pace” RB: Our new guy, Oqbonnaya caught more passes that he ran: Check.
We needed to add a DT to add to the rotation: Check.
We needed a third QB to battle Berlin: Check (did you see his stats?)
We needed a WR: Foster Brooks was the third WR at NC and got injured late. I am sure the Rams were looking at another WR, but there was a run on them after they picked Bradley Fletcher, and were unwilling to give up any picks, so they settled for the DT.
I think they still can go and get an experienced WR (Burress, Harrison, Bruce (just kidding!), otherwise, it could become a problem (with no deep threat except for Avery).
Also, the Rams last year were into most of their games for the exception of the first Seattle game, and course, the Jets game. They could not “finish” the games. I think this attitude will change.
I think the Haslett defense had the guys worn out at the end of every game. The new defense has rotation at almost all positions (same thing with the offense, remember the bone head moment when Jackson was injured in the game when we killed the Cowboys – highlight of the year, BTW).
OK, expect a better/more sound team this year. We still need depth, and this is the problem for now.
by RamFanatic on Apr 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome aboard!
Lots of good points there.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
by Tackle Box on Apr 27, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said some good stuff except....
“Also, the Rams last year were into most of their games for the exception of the first Seattle game, and course, the Jets game.” Where were you while I was watching the Eagles destroy the Rams 38-3 in the opener? Then, we were demolished by the NYG, Cardinals (twice), SF, and the Bills. And as you said, the Seahawks and Jets.
by edpjr on Apr 27, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follow up
We were into the NYG and Buffalo games (first half ) in fact we were leading those games.
The point is that we faded into the third and fourth Quarters…in all 14 games
by RamFanatic on Apr 28, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those games
the NYG had a 7 point lead at the half (which is way better than I remember), it’s the 21 points in the fourth quarter that stick out.
I’d forgotten about the Bills game. We had a seven point lead at the half there. In that half we had three, 3-and-outs and failed to convert a fourth down (a 4th & 3 with a pass from Green to McMichael). On the first drive of the 3rd quarter, Rams up 14-13, they were making progress, then on second down at the BUffalo 25, Green got sacked for a loss of 13 yards! They got five back and then Brown missed a FG, a 51-yard attempt. Linehan was fired before the next game.
by VanRam on Apr 28, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with some of his arguements… We needed a strong D draft, with a tackle and a WR added in… and we got little in return… J SMith will be ok.. Laurinaitis played in a good scheme at Ohio St., so is he Katzenmoyer or Hawk… Scott might be serviceable and we got no upgrade at WR… we had a chance to get better and we didn’t.. the good teams find players in rounds 3-7 and I don’t think we got the best value at each of our picks and according to Devaney we are not bringing in a vet WR … so this is our team this year… and yes every team in our division got better especially the Hawks and Cards.. I didn’t expect to make the playoffs this year but I expected more from our front office in this draft…
by Uncfan1 on Apr 26, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ohio State's one of the top programs in the country
there’s a long list of NFL starters from OSU. Laurinaitis is a solid player…if good schemes was all it took to win.
Yes, the Hawks got Curry, but they dissed a franchise LB (Leroy Hill) in the process, the same year they traded Julian Peterson, so now Curry, a rookie, is their best LB. Who’s going to pass to Crabtree in SF? How well did Arizona’s USC quarterback play last year?
Good teams find players in rnds 3-7 because they find prospects and develop them. That’s a big part of what makes good teams good.
Has everyone forgotten what early round draft picks used to be like in St. Louis? Does anyone realize just how threadbare this team was/is at key positions, like offensive line or linebacker? The Rams lacked some of the most basic elements of a football team last season. Turning this thing around in one draft, one offseason, is impossible.
by VanRam on Apr 26, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody in Frisco...
passed well enough to beat our butts twice last year. Some group in Seatlle has beaten us like eight straight times? And a team in Arizona not only beat, but stomped us, two times last year. Neither Sanchez, nor Curry, nor our new hero Jason Smith have proven themselves. Smith could be another Orlando Pace or he could be an Alex Barron. We’ll all just have to hope for the best. It sounds like about the only thing we agree on is that the Rams problems definitely can’t be fixed in one off-season.
by edpjr on Apr 26, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree is going to take 3 years to get it turned around… But this draft didn’t do much to settle anything for me.. The free agent signings were ok , not spectacular..
Name me the long list of LB’s from Ohio St. in the last 10 years.. I said they were good at WR, CB, and line but not great at RB and LB… I wasn’t dissing them as a team… Didn’t say Laurinaitis was a bad player.. great college player who knows as a pro… I am just going on track record of the lately..
I guess you forgot about Lofa Tatupu as a good LB from Seattle.. It didn’t matter who threw to Bruce last year cuz they beat us 2×.. now add a good WR to the mix… he didn’t play cuz warner was lighting everybody up… and Bulger still can’t hold his jock…
and yes you are correct people find good players and develop them.. we can’t develop cuz our regulars aren’t that good anyway..
and yes we all realize how bad they sucked the last couple of years…
by Uncfan1 on Apr 27, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not going to try and convince you guys to give it a chance
you’ve obviously made up your mind already, less than 24 hours after the draft.
You can argue there may have been better choices with the #2 pick, but Smith was the best OL on the board, and that was a huge need for the Rams. It’s little too early to call him the next Orlando Pace or something less, but as thoroughly as he’s been vetted in the last few months we can be sure he’s a committed player who cares about winning and being the best, not a guy who’s going to have lapses and take plays off.
Of course SF beat us last year, we lost 14 games. This team was bad all around with major weak spots up front on both sides of the ball. How can you score points when your line let’s defenders through every play or collapses in the middle because the undersized center can’t hold? The Jason Brown signing was a great move in free agency. He’s a tough blocker that’s played in one of the best divisions in the league for his career. Pair that with Smith, and the Rams have upgraded their o-line, maybe the team’s top area of need. Will it be enough, not this year, but the moves look good at this point.
The defense had holes all over the place too. LB was one of the worst spots with Witherspoon out of place in the middle. It was so bad at LB they had to start some seventh round choices (Chamberlain and Vobora) back there last year. Yes, that’s a pretty good argument for Curry, and I was pretty torn as to whether they should have taken him or Smith. Laurinaitis is a good fit for our need at MLB though, where we need a guy to fill gaps, make plays on the ball and keep RBs from getting beyond the second level. (btw, you didn’t say that OSU produced good WR, CB, etc. you just said he was the product of a good scheme). Maualuga might have been the better choice, but I think they got a good one in JL. They also needed help at DT, and, right now, it looks like they got value for that in the 4th round, for a guy to help stuff the run. Those two picks smartly address two of the biggest needs on defense.
Face it, one draft wasn’t going to do it for the Rams. Like you said earlier, they needed a strong D draft, a WR, and an OT….that’s a lot for one draft. Had they been able to trade down, which they did try to do, that might have been possible, but there’s just no way to get everything they needed…esp when at so many of those positions they need 1st or 2nd round talent. All the top WRs were gone by the 2nd pick, and that’s what they need at that position. They addressed several of those needs. Some of the later picks were a little wacky (hate the Null pick), but you can’t count on starters, particularly rookie starters, coming from the late rounds…
by VanRam on Apr 27, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
U R correct
U r correct I didn’t say that about Ohio St. in that post it was in another post… I am not hating on the Rams picks.. We do need to let it all play out.. How many busts have there been over the years concerning can’t miss guys and then diamonds in the rough in the later rounds. I just think we reached a little but they may work out… If the top 4 can stick and play then thats all you can ask for.. Have a decent year, then plug a few more holes in FA next year and then another good draft and we will be young and ready to go hopefully for years to come…
by Uncfan1 on Apr 27, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Uncfan1!
we could’ve done much better…and most TST readers know it, but won’t admit it.
by edpjr on Apr 26, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to be a good team, with a strong foundation
to take big risks in the draft.
by VanRam on Apr 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If that's the criteria...
then we darn sure should be risk-averse.
by edpjr on Apr 26, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A great turn around doesn't come over night.
Our team is sticking true to the goals that they set out once Spags and Devaney teamed up. We are becoming a running team. We are drafting hard-working and high character guys who will hopefully lead this team. When we are a running team, we need an offensive tackle who can run-block, and Jason Smith is far better than a guy like Beatty or Loadholt.
We can’t afford taking risks like Mark Sanchez when we have gaping needs on our offensive line. If we took Sanchez, then he didn’t become the next Brett Farve like you were hoping, that not only sets us back next year but for the next three years; let alone we would have around $20 million a year tied to quarterbacks.
As for Chris Long, it takes a defensive lineman at least 2 years in the NFL to even begin to reach their potential. For instance, look at Mario Williams on the Texans. After 2 full years of mediocre play, he is just now reaching his potential and had a huge year last year.
Honestly, I think this draft class is great. We hopefully answered a lot of needs. We’re going to have bumps along the way, but this franchise is on it’s way up.
by joeanderson31 on Apr 26, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Becoming a running team....
….with one, and only one, credible RB by the name of Jax? And please note that this guy’s typically hurt for 3-4 games per season. Meanwhile, our “running” team has an aging $65M immobile QB on board. At least we’ve got Boller versus Green or Frerotte to back him up this season. This draft class is great, not for the Rams, but for the Hawks, 49ers and Jets.
by edpjr on Apr 26, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you got the memo...
but, yes, we are trying to become a running team. I think signing Jason Brown, Karney, then drafting Jason Smith is a testament to that. Like I said, it’s not going to an overnight change to where we are Superbowl bound right away. I’m not sure what you expected out of the draft, but, in my opinion, we did very well in the draft.
by joeanderson31 on Apr 26, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Smith, Brown and Karney...
…were signed largely to protect Bulger’s $65M butt. And, as somebody else already astutely said “he can’t hold Kurt Warner’s jock strap”. Thanks again, Mike Martz, for destroying the potential dynasty Dick Vermeil and Warner created. And you sure can’t be a running team with one RB, unless it’s maybe Eric Dickerson, which Jackson ain’t. To be competitive, let alone win a Super Bowl, a team needs a strong passing game like Brady gives NE, Big Ben gives Pittsburgh, Eli gives NYG and Peyton gives the Colts. We sure don’t want to position ourselves in the vein of “Ground Chuck” where we lose everytime somebody stops Jax. I’d be happy just to win a division game this year….
by edpjr on Apr 27, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys were signed to do both
which is what offensive linemen do, protect the QB and open running lanes.
by VanRam on Apr 27, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope you're right...
…cause we haven’t done much good with run or pass blocking in 2-3 years. One point I was hoping to make to people that think we’re becoming a “running” team is that we can’t be one-dimensional and be successful, especially with just one good RB. We also need a strong passing attack if we’re ever going to recapture the glory days. My guess is that it will take a few years and Bulger won’t be there.
by edpjr on Apr 27, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's understandable
when you do not want us to be one-dimensional team. Because if we solely run the ball then opposing teams will stack 8 in the box to stop the run. But what I meant by a running team is that we are going to utilize our best player on offense, which is Steven Jackson. If we get that going, then our passing game can be much more successful because they’ll be focused on stopping the run. Play action will also be key. Also, by running the ball, we can obviously control the clock. Earlier you mentioned the Giants and Steelers offenses. They are primarily (mostly talking about the Giants) are run first then pass second. From what I’ve read, that’s what Spags wants to implement here in St. Louis
by joeanderson31 on Apr 27, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still liked the Greatest Show on Turf approach....
Pass and pass to Bruce, Holt, Curtis, Proehl, Hakim, etc. and in-between let Marshall Faulk run all over the place. Score TD’s and NOT FG’s. I think we scored over 500 points three straight seasons 1999-2001. But, we won our only Super Bowl thanks to Mike Jones game saving tackle on the last play….
by edpjr on May 6, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Loved the Greatest Show on Turf approach
We proved offense wins Superbowls.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 7, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Looking at the players the Rams drafted. They didn’t have the luxory of going for the “best talent available” at many positions. Something that definitely played into the minds of Spags et al. was drafting players that WANT to play football. They are mean physical beasts that will help transform the Rams locker room. Laurinitis and Smith are just mean to others when playing, but also are smart and have that impeccable character that will make sure they are playing every game.
Granted there are definitely still holes that need to be filled. We NEED a WR that will go along with Avery and make plays across the middle. I would have loved to see the Rams take a Barden or Robiskie in the third to do that, but instead they drafted a big mean CB to press the Crabtree’s and Houshmanzedah’s. Also, the Rams are going to have to find a QB in training for when the Rams let loose on Bulger, but that can be taken care of next year when the QB draft class is ALOT deeper.
So, was the draft perfect, no, never is, but it was a great start to making this team meaner and tougher on the field and able to stay in games and win some!
by kickasskeever on Apr 26, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think our draft selections.....
… are any “meaner” than anybody else’s. And, I sure don’t see any Conrad Doblers or Dick Butkuses on our roster. We have one extremely temperamental player – Incognito, and he’s been a liability. Curry or Raji would’ve been mean enough for me.
by edpjr on Apr 27, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TERRIBLE DRAFT AGAIN
I don’t mind Smith & Dorrel, but we needed more than 1 LB, more than 1 OL, and a DE, I agree you can’t expect much of lower round picks, but low expectations in the draft are not going to improve this team. I too, have been a fan for a long time, 35 years. We didn’t manage a trade down when lots of other teams did. Look at New England, 3 picks in the 2nd round. The only reason the new regime makes us feel better is because the bar was so low. This draft makes me sick.
by dbcouver on Apr 27, 2009 1:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm just mad
that we drafted Null, that was honestly the worst pick of the draft. Now that I have said that, I want him to tear shit up in 2 years. Other than that, the draft was “eh…”
We’ll have to wait and see.
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
by sergey606 on Apr 27, 2009 2:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you negative guys
read the draft grades on this site? They gave the Rams an A- and placed them fifth on the list of 32. Granted, other analysts had other rankings for them, with the lowest I’ve seen being a C and most being in the B range. Listening to you guys the Rams should have gotten a D or F.
Sure, the Rams have been terrible the last two years. Yes, the old management left the cupboard bare. But this is new management, with all new people coming from successful programs. It isn’t Martz, Linehan, Shaw, Zigmunt or anyone from the past. You need to stop looking at them through the lenses of the last couple of years and give their work a chance to prove itself.
Oh, and if Kurt Warner had been the QB for the Rams last year he would have lasted about two games before he was injured and out for the year. Our offensive line was, well, offensive. They stunk. Teams could blitz up the middle on us all day. Yes, I wish Bulger was more of a fiery leader, but he had no chance to accomplish anything last year.
C’mon guys. Lighten up and give them a chance.
by andyrose on Apr 27, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
D sounds right
No draft day trades, when trading was a pretty regular occurrence. It was also something we claimed we were looking into. We were good on picks 1, 2, and 4, but terrible on 5 and 6, and I’ll be charitable and wait on 3 and 7. Even if Fletcher works out he would have been available later maybe, and if not, it wouldn’t have been disastrous.
Michael Johnson and Duke Robinson will probably start at some point this year. They and Jaison Williams will definitely make their teams rotation, and probably start by next year. we left them all on the table at positions of need. I also liked LBs: Ellerbe, Beckwith, and Casillas, for depth.
I have been giving chances for my team for a long time. I am at the point where I want the draft to go better. I don’t care how anyone else ranks our draft. Tell me this wouldn’t have been better. We needed to draft according to a 2 year plan, meaning best available period, as long as we think they can contribute. There’s nothing wrong with having higher expectations, even in the later rounds. We’ve all heard how the later round decisions seem to separate the men from the boys on draft weekend. I’m not totally negative just to be negative. I’m just wanting the best be made out of EVERY opportunity we have.
by dbcouver on Apr 28, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Sure If I Agree With Anyone...
I’ve said it before, I’m not even sure Jason Smith was the best offensive tackle available. If you look at the video on him, the majority of the plays has the quarterback taking off with the ball almost immediately so it looked like a Michael Vick type of offense that Baylor was using. Smith really doesn’t get a chance to show how much of a blocker he really is with that scheme. It almost seems like the majority of the time the quarterback is running because of a breakdown in protection which is a huge red flag for me. I feel that Laurinitus was a good pick but I just flat out disagree with the rest of the picks we made. I was looking forward to taking Ramses Barden, Sammie Lee Hill, Devin Moore, Frantz Joseph and more offensive line support in the late rounds but it didn’t happen. I get the impression that the economy has gotten so bad that the Rams drafted disposable players just for the sake of avoiding making out more contracts. I was satisfied with day one but day two was an atrocity! Oh, and by the way, all this talk of Mark Sanchez being a superstar. Don’t be surprised if he flops. A lot of the video I see on him, it just seems like superior wide receivers burning inferior defensive backs and Sanchez just playing catch. Let’s see how he does with shut down corners covering his receiver corps.
by NachoD on Apr 27, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's too early to
judge this draft. Had Laurinitis been drafted in the 1st we would have been moaning because he didn’t fall to us. Time will tell whether the picks we made will pan out or not. I’m glad, in retrospect at least, that we took a tackle, because it’s a key position that won’t need to be addressed next year. That being said, I was devastated that we weren’t able to trade down. That’s just typically not the reality of having that high of a draft choice. Hopefully we added some ingredients that make us play competitively in games this year, and next year we’ll have a solid draft that adds more “face of the franchise” type players.
It’s tough to complain about the moves, because the people in the draft rooms know more about these guys than we do. At first glance, I like the draft. We definitely added some talent that can contribute soon, which is nice. Plus, there’s a very low probability that a tackle ends up being a bust type player. QBs are risky, so I’m glad we didn’t go that route. Every player in the draft had very apparent flaws. I think we got some guys that can help us. Again, time will tell.
by Toddius on Apr 27, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Idea
We could have had Smith, Muauluga, Michael Johnson, Scott, Duke Robinson, Dominique Edison, and Ogbannaya . This idea was one of many that IMHO would have addressed our immediate needs. I am now very interested in whos coming to rookie camp. I hope we invite some good UFAs. There certainly are many to consider. Especially at wide receiver & Graham Harrell. Maybe a couple of OTs and some LBs. I hope we’re still busy with that.
by dbcouver on Apr 27, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
10 of the best of the rest
On defense there is:Darry Beckwith, Dannell Ellerby, Jonathan Casillas, and Lee robinson for LBs; Cris Baker, Rulon Davis and Julius Williams for DLine; Gerald Cadogan for OT; and WRs Jaison Williams and Kevin Ogletree. Unfortunately we don’t have the advantage of a shitty record in this 8th round so we’ll be lucky to get 1 of these guys into rookie camp. Obviously we aren’t the most glamorous team to play for. Hopefully our recruiting team has some charisma.
by dbcouver on Apr 27, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A New Team
Maybe its because I haven’t been a Rams fan as long as some of you have at 35 years, largely because I wasn’t born then. So, I cannot argue that Steven Jackson isn’t Eric Dickerson, I wasn’t there. I know Eric Dickerson was an insane back, but that was YEARS ago.
Now the draft posted above would have been great, but I find it hard to second guess what we should have drafted now as we can now see who was going to be available, and the FO could not. They didnt know that they could pick up a Michael Johnson in the third round until that round came, so who knows if that information would have changed things.
There were just too many holes to fill. You can argue that they should have taken Maualuga over Laurinitis, and might have a valid complaint, but Spags isn’t just trying to throw the best talent available out there, he is trying to build a team. A team that is completely different than what we have seen really since that ‘99 season, and even a different team than that. This is going to be a playmaking team. Not something that wows everyone in attendence, but a team that makes plays by keeping their opponents from making plays. Really, if you don’t see that, thats understandable, it hasn’t ever been in STL before. But I would argue that it does make it hard to judge this draft a day afterwards when we haven’t even seen what the finished product is supposed to look like.
by kickasskeever on Apr 27, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Other than character, talent has to be the dominate characteristic in the rebuilding process that we are in. A 2 year plan would have allowed for us to not address certain needs if the talent led us to fully address other maybe more pressing needs. I think we would have been able to pull off some trade downs and still been able to get a good draft. Smith is great but I would have been happy with Monroe and another pick in the second, Muauluga and Barden, with the other picks I mentioned before. That’s not that creative and with 28 draft weekend trades being done, it’s hard to believe trades were that hard to do. Obviously the jets wanted Sanchez, but there was other round 1 movement. after the 4th pick we should have tried to move 5 and 6 for some 7s. Then we could have a better shot at the UFAs.
I haven’t been busy posting on this website much until now, breathlessly awaiting the possibility that truly now things would be different. Bottom line is I’m not willing to wait before I declare that we weren’t on the game the way we should have been. I know it sounds negative, but, please, don’t think I don’t want the best for my team. I remember the superbowl in 1980. I remember 1 & 15. I remember how much I hated Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and frickin John Taylor. But mostly I remember # 52 Mike Jones, my hero. Rock on Rams.
by dbcouver on Apr 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Jones!!!
The hero that saved our only Super Bowl win. I’ve always had a man-crush on this wonderful guy. Good luck and best wishes wherever you are today Mike. If we had kept players like you, London Fletcher, Dre Bly, Ricky Proehl, Az Hakim, Kurt Warner, and on and on, there’s no telling how many Super Bowl titles we’d have in the bank today.
by edpjr on Apr 27, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you think wanted to trade up to # 2?
You can want to trade down all you want, but it won’t help if no one wants to trade up. We heard from the guys on ESPN that no one wanted to trade up near the top because the players cost too much in salary and in picks surrendered. Since there weren’t any players this year that were absolutely fantastic, no one wanted to trade up to our pick.
Would you have traded down with the Jets to get their first and second at # 17? You sure wouldn’t have gotten Monroe there. A two year plan based on fantasy isn’t going to get the job done. Sure, they might have been able to do better with the last three picks, but we won’t know that until we get into this season. People thought the Patriots were crazy to take broken down QB Tom Brady in the sixth round a few years ago. That seems to have worked out okay. It’s easy to say Null won’t be Brady, but how do you know? Maybe we’ll have to settle for him being Kurt Warner.
by andyrose on Apr 28, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A TRADE
fell through with Washington, and obviously the Jets wanted up. After the story that the rams were willing to trade down and open to offers, I think it’s reasonable to expect a serious effort here. I’m of a different philosophy I guess. I didn’t require us to use the 2nd pick on a premium tackle when I’m thinking Loadholdt will do. I’m even giving that Oher would have been gone earlier when it turns out he would have been available as well. Nothing out of ten mock drafts for the Rams that I have come up with is ‘fantasy’ either. In various posts, I’ve come up with options that were available at the picks we have.
I don’t want to sound like I’m disappointed in our 1st round but we could have done a hell of a lot better overall.
by dbcouver on Apr 30, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loadholt is a fraud
I’ll go on record here as saying Loadholt cannot play left tackle in the NFL. He cannot move well enough to pass protect on this level, its a simple as that. He may be a marginal on the right side, maybe. There it is, hold me to it.
As far as other options — or Oher options — I’ll agree that a trade down would have been preferable. I just don’t see it is something that would’ve been easy to get done, and don’t fault them for not being able to.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Apr 30, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen - we could've done a lot better...
I think most of the professional sports gurus rated our draft about a “C”. On this rare occasion, I tend to agree with them. And an average draft is not too good for a 2-14 team. I think we muffed our last chance to get anything of value for Bulger tradewise. And, from what I’ve read, a weak armed Keith Null is NOT our QB of the future. We didn’t need another Pat Haden. But, since we spent the 2nd pick in the draft on an OT and can now line up Bell, Smith, Brown, Barron and Incognito as the front five, plus we acquired Karney as a blocker, let’s not hear any whining if Bulger gets sacked repeatedly due to immobility or if Jax can’t gain 100+ yards rushing every game. We’ll need these guys to score an awful lot of points because our D-Line ain’t gonna be able to pressure the QB or stuff the run.
by edpjr on Apr 30, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Higher Highs
I was a decent athlete on a crappy team (different sport). I practiced hard but really only got to see good competition on game day. After I got some new talent on the team around me, I was able to really get the most out of practices by going against my more talented teammates. The way I see it, Chris Long and Jason Smith are and excellent combination because they will work with and against each other, pushing each other to higher highs everyday in practice, in the most important 3 yards in football: the space immediately behind the QB. You have to have a line. We have 2 high picks in the most important spots on each line. Give it a minute….
by CoachConnors on Apr 30, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Smith...
outweighs Chris Long by 40 lbs. The pushing will be all in one direction.
by edpjr on Apr 30, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Websters.com
The pushing reference was what we call a “metaphor”. Even if we were to take it literally, straight ahead drive is obviously not the only way to skin a quarterback…speed around the corner, finesse, swim moves and all the rest are how the faster smaller Dwight Freeny’s of the world compete with bigger, slower men who outweigh them. But you knew that..
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 1, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANKS PROFESSOR
for clearing that up. I think he was ,what we call “responding” to your “metaphor,”
by dbcouver on May 1, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
being big....
doesn’t necessarily make one slower. I hope all this faith in Chris Long is well placed. This year with 34 year old Leonard Little on the other side at DE, and Adam Carriker yet to show us anything at DT, teams will have the luxury of double-teaming Long (if it’s even necessary). We sure could’ve used a Raji in there. The Rams were once famous for the D-Line known as the Fearsome Foursome. Now, with the picks and $$$ spent getting Smith and Brown to upgrade our O-Line, the D-Line is arguably our weakest link.
by edpjr on May 1, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Higher Highs 2
………and along those same lines: Witherspoon is an OLB, always has been, I don’t care where he lines up, he’s an OLB. Laurinaitis allows him to move back outside, thereby increasing the talent in the MLB spot by virute of his own talent and the OLB spot too by virute of allowing our guy to go back to his natural spot where he has historically played better.
That’s two picks that improve our team beyond the value that each represents on their own. Two picks that will make others around them better, even before they compete their first game.
Rome wasn’t built in a day but come on, we’re paving roads here.
by CoachConnors on Apr 30, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I REPEAT
DAY 1 was ok. Its day 2 you have to defend to me. Also, don’t tell me to be patient. I have been patient. I know it’s a new coach, and new ownership. There were blown calls on day 2. That’s my opinion and it won’t change before the season gets underway.
I like the additions on the line. I have never challenged who we got for the lines, O & D. I think we did well in free agency, although I’m disappointed we didn’t pick up Leigh Bodden for our backfield after seeing what New England gave for him. Even 7th round picks for our 5th and 6th would have helped us bring in players to compete for depth. I forgot how hard it is for us to compete with other teams for the UFAs.
We could have drafted yet another lineman at #3 or a good wide receiver. How about a 2nd OT or ILB w #5, or 6. We need to take a page out of the Bellichick guide to the draft, the one that says there is no reason not to expect results from each draft pick, top to bottom. I think we do that, but I have been told that I shouldn’t, and I don’t buy into that.
by dbcouver on May 1, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s my opinion and it won’t change
I think probably mine won’t change for a while either, simply because instant draft grades are a little silly to begin with. Most quality WR’s don’t come on until their third year, for example. I think we did pretty well with the undrafted "8th round" signees. My personal jury is out on the middle rounds. I don’t have a strong lean either positive or negative on those.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on May 1, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UDFAs
Anyone have any idea where we can find out which undrafted free agents went where? Are we done now adding players?
by dbcouver on May 1, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry no, but....
…at least the Rams, and most other teams, have been smart enough not sign the Free Agents we dumped from last year’s squad.
by edpjr on May 1, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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