Round 4: Rams get a NT & open thread
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 26, 2009 11:13 AM CDT
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PrintGod, this is a slog. The fourth round just beginning. The biggest mistake of the draft, pushing it back to 4 p.m. start time on Saturday. It's tough to predict these rounds, but there is still plenty of talent available.
Here's sort of a draft related thought. Now that the Seahawks have pulled the franchise tag on LB Leroy Hill, he's a free agent. Hmm, probably out of the Rams price range, but nothing beats nabbing a rival's castoff. He could replace Pisa. Here's a scouting reportfrom Field Gulls (via Buffalo Rumblings) when it looked like Hill would be a free agent. Of interest:
"Leroy Hill is excellent at what he does. His one superstar, otherworldly, stands-out among-the-standouts skill is picking through traffic and flying downhill to the ball carrier. Simple as that sounds, it enables vital abilities. Run stopping: check. Blowing up the screen: check. Blitzing: check."
Can you really have too many LBs?
The Rams pick Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson. Scott has the size to plug running lanes, and at 312 lbs can still add 10-15. The knock against Scott has been consistency, sometimes missing "the sum of his parts" and some struggles with technique, things that can be addressed through good coaching, something the Rams have lacked for awhile before now. I think that's a good situation for Spagnuolo and Flajole.
I'm pumped about Scott as a fourth round pick. Here's some more info.
Here's a scouting report from earlier in the spring at Mile High Report. Key takeaways:
Clemson has a reputation for good defensive line coaching. Recent Clemson DL products include Gaines Adams and Phillip Merling.
His struggles to start his senior season were team-wide, resulting in a coaching change that improved his performance.
He's a NT with some pass rush upside. Hmm, a la Fred Robbins from Spagnuolo's last job in NY?
Scott was convinced to give up ROTC to play football. He almost quit school to get a job to help pay his mother's medical bills, but was convinced to return to campus at the urging of his high school coach. From a profile in The State:
On his slippage to start the '08 season:
But much like the team’s first-half descent, Scott sensed his pro stock dropping when he was largely a nonfactor because, he said, he tried to do too much to compensate for the absence of injured tackle Rashaad Jackson.
Kiper on his attributes and talent:
He’s a big body, and that’s what you want. For a big kid, he’s got athletic ability, there’s no question about that. ... He’s not the consummate guy; if he was, he’d be a first- or second-round pick. But he has a chance to be a major contributor because of the need for that type of player and for how scarce they are at the college level.
Liking this pick. Sounds like he needs coaching, but his character doesn't seem flawed at all. He stayed to finish his degree after the season too.
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Murphy!!!!!! would be upset if we didnt take him…
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions
and the rams take….
dorell scott?! who?
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
im not really surprised either but i was expecting a WR, Murphy
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
god im angry! how could we not take a WR yet?
hopefully we trade up and try and take Murphy cuz hes the only WR still left that could be a good pick
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
I thought we needed veterans..
not a fresh one
I think we should go RB next, theres no way we can really improve on
Avery Robinson and Burton now, assuming we get a veteran
not in the fifth but we should trade back into the fourth and take him
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't think we will
We need to take the Patriots route
its to late to take the patriots route….
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Dorrel Scott
seems to be that big NT type we’ve been talking about, seems he had great sophomore and junior years but a poor senior year, was projected 3rd Rd.
Looks like we will be picking high again next year… a QB would be nice but we will screw that up also… Yes I agree we need backup RB now… a good WR won’t be there in the 5th round..
trade back into the fourth and take murphy
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
Scott
seems to be the prototypical Spags lineman, Big (312 pounds) and fast (4.9 40)
Good pick
We don’t need another young receiver, especially when our run defence was so bad last year. Another DT in the rotation good pick
laurent robinson
they did that trade for laurent robinson for a reason, so that they could concentrate on defense
+1
Another DT was essential. Glover isn’t on the team anymore, so we need someone to play in that rotation and spell Carriker and Ryan. Ryan has shown you can get late value at this position, too – that’s exactly what we’re doing.
im content with the scott pick as well
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions
we still need another vet and another kidd to round out our recieveing corp.
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
if Murphy falls to us
and we don’t take him i’m gonna be pissed
yes but he was rated higher then many recievers being taken before him in the fourth and fifth
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Peerman and Jennings… what about Bomar QB or should we wait till 6th to see if he is there?? just askin..
oh um maybe but i wouldnt take a QB til the seventh
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they take a WR
We would have taken one by now, Spags and Davy have a different plan this year.
My top 5th round options
Lawrence Sidbury – DE, Richmond
Javon Ringer – RB, Mich. St.
Louis Murphy – WR, Florida
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
my choice would be louis murphy
i really dont think we need to take a RB cuz i like darby
and we can take a QB seventh no earlier then that
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think we need a RB
but it’s obvious our new front office has a definite “we’re taking who we like” mentality. If I’m drafting that way, I really like Ringer, so I draft him based on that alone.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
We got to watch the Raiders
they might take Murphy
I just remembered
we traded our 5th n 6th picks with the falcons n our next pick is number 160
Yup
at the back of the 5th
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
So, therefore we did draft a WR
In the 5th round. His name is Laurent Robinson. Plus, we get an extra pick.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
screw RB i wouldnt want any of these guys to come in day 1 and be our backup
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder
If they like a WR that is on the bottom of most boards, kinda like Donnie Avery last year
I don't see them drafting one at all
The next pick or the one after has to be a RB like Ringer Steven Jackson has not proved he can be a 300 plus carries RB. You have to get some game changing legs behind him to Rest him. That Steven only carries 200 to 250 a year.
seems like the type of player that would fit with the rams….but when do we take him?
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Darby can be a good backup…he played very well at the end of last year.
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
ravens just got jason phillips
good pickup for them
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
hahhaa
No. No we shouldn’t.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The worst?
He shoots Spagnuolo, has gay jail sex with Bulger & ruins our team franchise’s chance of respectability or success forthe next decade.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Apr 26, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish
Quan Cosby wasn’t so old n taller than 5’9 he’s a beast
Ogie Ogletorp!?!!!!
Oh, wait…..wrong guy….
(This draft is starting to make me loopy)
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
If a RB is the pick
and I’m not sure if it will be. Although I have a little Pac 10 bias – I do like Jeramiah Johnson from Oregon.
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Absolutely!
With Jeremiah Johnson and Ogie Oglethorpe in the mix, we’ll kick the crap outta everyone!!!!
(btw, this layoff between picks is killing me!)
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
Lost in the comment shuffle... Leroy Hill?
I like the idea of nabbing this guy a lot.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
Me too
Witherspoon – Laurinaitis – Leroy Hill
That looks fantastic. Finally we might be able to stop the run.
would the rams be smart enough to pursue him though?
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
or would they just sit back and watch someone else pick em up…
but i reallyi hope we do try and pick him up
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
wow that was bad typing
Almost there 3 picks till were on*
idk
i’m not a scout, maybe he has great potential.
look at cassel, didn’t do squat in college
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
kick returner?
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
I dont know if Im alone here but
I think we made a huge mistake not taking Sanchez. Steve Young pointed out that this team has no leaders and no one that wants to just step in and take on the St. Louis Rams. I think taking him at #2 would have been my pick with us either A. If we could trade Bulger for a 2nd-3rd-4th Round do it but if not B. Keep him and let him play out his last year here and let Sanchez groom a little. I thought with BEATTY and BRITTON sitting there with that 2nd round pick we could have gotten my guy Britton, who I think is going to be real good. So then we get a true leader of the future at our QB position with Britton starting at RT. The rest of the draft we will just have to see but Like others I trust Devaney
Should have taken a Running back there
Steven Jackson will most likely miss about 4 to 5 games this year
I think we got Foster for jumpballs.
He has big hands and used to play basketball. He is athletic.
i went to unc with foster...
not really a big play guy. he was stuck behind hakeem nicks and brandon tate on the depth chart, but he was a pretty dependable receiver. don’t know how well that will translate into the nfl.
Foster
Yeah i agree with Joey..sounds like he’s an athletic big receiver with good hands. We don’t have a goal line jump ball type WR so he could be useful in that respect
yeah that makes sense....
but he didn’t really get the chance to do that too much in college. from what i remember, almost everytime unc was at the goal line, they’d throw a jump ball for nicks instead.
by cardsfansouth on Apr 26, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You put Avery and Robinson out there I think he will be a good slot receiver and throw b
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
Throw burton in the mix not a bad receiving crew
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions
Look what Robinson did in his rookie year if he didnt get hurt last year he would have been good. I’ll give our receivers a chance i think they will be good
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions
Jesus
what u guys expect, were supposed to pick up the next Holt in the 5th Rd. U get special teamers and prospects in the later rounds. Of course he doesn’t look like a great receiver if he did he would’ve been gone earlier in the draft.
Actually...
You can find starters in the later rounds if you make smart picks. If there aren’t any receivers you like than address another position. There was better talent at other positions. They could have waited and got this guy anyway. Just my opinion but we’ll see what this guy can do. Hopefully he’ll help us out
JESUS
I’m not putting him down other people r I think he will be decent
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
Could have been better
Another young recevor to add to the rest, at least he’ll fill out the depth chart. Still a backup RB would have been a better pick but at this point its iffy if we can find anyone better than Darby. I wouldn’t be against picking up another linebacker or DT next round if not a running back.
I concur… I think another position would have been a better pick… I can name 20 other teams who didn’t pick as high as us that have done a better job drafting players… Alot of higher ranked players fell into our laps in rounds 3-5 and we didn’t take advantage of it like other teams did… I am sure they - the Rams- will be so happy what what they got but isn’t everybody.. I think Devaney flopped in this draft but thats my opinion.. not saying its right but I think we all were thinking after every pick that there was a better player at multiple positions than the player we ended up taking..
I am thinking we will pick up Dunn after the draft
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions
Why not?
He hates baseball.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
Next year's draft
I think we get our QB in next years draft…should be good talent in the 1st round. I hope we don’t waste a pick with one this year. The Niners made a nice pick with Nate Davis from Ball State.
are Van or 3K on?
cause they should start a thread, when the draft is “dunn”, to rate it A through F.
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
Teel
Seahawks just took Teel from RU…I went to Rutgers and saw him play a ton…Good arm but makes too many mistakes. Probably a career back-up
They also traded
their 2nd Rd. pick to the Broncos for a 1st Rd. next year
I wasn't on earlier today
is Laurent the reason why falcons have our earlier picks?
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
ok
i thought they might have made another trade or something
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
wow
Jags drafted Zach Miller. the guy doesn’t have stats of weight or height on nfl.com
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
Damn there goes Peerman
Sigh missed out on him should have picked him last round
i was just reading-up on him
from what I got, people just don’t want to miss another Willie Parker. but the guy has had a bunch of injuries
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
wouldnt leroy hill, warrick dunn, and one more veteran receiver be great!? that would definitely be a great way to finish this offseason
by rams since day1 on Apr 26, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
I wouldnt mind the rams picking him up. Him and Jackson would kill d lines
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions
and karney back there omg that would be deadley talk about wearing a defense down
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
they go by the caliber of players u lost the year before
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
Holt and Pace were cut.
You get nothing if you cut players.
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
if u cut somebody its because u didnt want them any way so why should u get something back where as fa u may not have enough money to keep them so u get picks instead
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions
REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
Report on Null
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Null
I knew they would screw this pick up with a QB…Hoyer, Harrell…how do we pick Null…should have taken jennings
Maybe they think jennings will fall to the the last round
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions
How would they not think Null would fall to the last round
Harell at least
Null
He isn’t even ranked on ESPN…are they out of there minds? They could have had this guy walk onto the practice team…Now i’m really pissed. The Rams have had a terrible drafting day
well if u look at the time jackson lead the league with yards from scrimmage he had a fullback so maybe they think with karney here he will play a whole season. but still they should have taken jennings
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
I agree just hope they know what they r doing. we’ll see
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions
Who are you agreeing with?
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
I dont think so they have no need we have jones give them some kind of credit lol
by RAMS WE DA BEST on Apr 26, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions
I just hope
Devaney and Spags know more than we do (and they sure should). The first two picks and the fourth look good to me. I don’t know why the took a CB in the third. They must feel Hill and King are not going to make it. I was really hoping they would take a WR there while there were some good ones left. After the first four the rest just look like gambles or throwaways to me.
Surely they are going to pick up a vet WR before camp. If Burress is allowed by the league to play this year, any chance Spags would try to get him here?
Chris Ogbonnaya
6’1 215" 1000 all purpose yards, pretty mediocre career at Texas
I give The rams a C+
The first two rounds and the Fourth are ok, The rest is just head scratches, there were better players available
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