Draft Day 1, open thread 1: Trade talk heating up
by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 10:59 AM CDT
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PrintLet's get the back and forth going. It's either going to be Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe or Mark Sanchez. With such a large pro-Curry contigent around here the last couple of months, it's going to be interesting to see how that group splinters now that Curry doesn't seem to be a realistic prediction at this point.
And feel free to throw any questions around. I'll be here for hours...
[Note by VanRam, 04/25/09 12:50 PM EDT ] Devaney's definitely getting calls about a trade(s). How serious remains to be seen. Odds are they keep the pick and take an OT, but never, never underestimate Dan Snyder and the power of his bottomless wallet...I'd also remind you that the DC Metro area isn't as hard hit by the recession as most cities. That's the wild card, and there's talk Seattle will take him now with their pick at #4...
The Devaney interview on ESPN.
Word is that the Rams will take OT Jason Smith with their #2 pick...if they keep the pick, that is.
Trade talk is heating up with just two hours to go, reports NFL Network's Steve Wyche. Moments ago he posted this:
There is some potential for trade activity at the front end of the draft. Where a move could be made is anyone’s guess, but it appears that QB Mark Sanchez is the target that’s creating the stir. The Rams continue to say that Sanchez is a possibility at No. 2, even though they have more pressing needs. If they select him or find a trade partner for the pick, the first major domino of the draft will have fallen.
This follows reports from earlier in the day that Devaney's been on the phone with teams potentially interested in the Rams second overall pick...and some speculation that the Rams could draft Sanchez and let him serve as Bulger's understudy...drafting him and trading him is a possibility too.
NFL Network’s Rich Eisen...says on his Twitter account that the Jets are trying to move up to No. 2 with the Rams.
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Switching back between NFL Network & ESPN
If anybody sees anything interesting, let me know. I’m recording both.
For those of you with NFL Network, they’ve shown a live feed into the Rams’ War Room, but nobody’s in there yet. If anyone can find that feed on the interwebs, that would be awesome.
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Steve Wyche in the STL War Room on NFL Network right now
He just reported Devaney is fielding phone calls for trade possibilities; pre-draft hype is awesome.
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boo ya!
there’s talk that they could draft Sanchez and trade him…if they do it during the draft the team that gets him still gets his rookie cap condition…
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 25, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
The most leverage we would have is if we draft Sanchez. Trading out of the pick to someone who wants Sanchez probably isn’t going to happen because teams realize they can get him around 8 or 9. In fact, somebody this morning reported the Jets had a deal in place with the Jags to trade down to 8 so they can snag Sanchez.
If we take Sanchez, that nullifies any trade possibilities behind us, and any teams like the Jets will have to make a play for him. Late 1st and a 3rd with some cash? I’d be happy.
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Especially
if Seattle likes Sanchez. I’m liking the momentum so far.
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I've also heard...
That they might draft Sanchez and trade Bulger to the Jets
Yeah, Devaney's gonna let Wyche inside
but they’ve had the live feed up from time to time. Nobody in there yet. Devaney’s still in the office on the phone. I’m still looking for the feed into the war room, if we have any super searchers on this morning.
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the hardest part of the Sanchez argument for me
comes down to keeping him. Sure, he might be a nice fit in a West Coast style offense and w/ SJax to be the focus, he wouldn’t have lots of pressure to carry the load, a la matt Ryan w/ Michael Turner last season. I just don’t buy it because of the cap issue. Even if they trade Bulger, that’s a boatload of $$ tied up in QBs….but the worst of it would only be for ’09, so maybe…
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 25, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
If they like him as much as i've heard
they could take him n just bite the bullet with the money problem this year n maybe get a 2nd RD. pick from the Jets for Bulger
Yeah honestly
I have no interest in keeping him. It’s a risky proposition if you draft him without something in place. I figure that’s what Devaney’s shopping right now.
“If we take Sanchez at 2, what are you willing to offer right now?” There’s got to be some QB-hungry teams that grade Sanchez higher than Brady Quinn or Jason Campbell.
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But that will lose leverage
If the Rams take Sanchez and are just trying to deal them, wouldn’t teams realize that? The Rams made their pick, and if they only want to trade him, teams are going to just back off until the Rams become desperate.
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What do you guys think of the sudden Tyson Jackson to the Chiefs #3 talk?
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 25, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
They like him, there is no doubt about that. Curry is going to have a looooong day.
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Why has Curry fallen out of favor
all of the sudden?
They definitely held their cards close for a while
For this to come out so late in the game speaks well to the Chiefs organization in terms of keeping things behind closed doors.
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Good piece on this over at MTD
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link?
hook it up!
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Hehe, nevermind
I’m too impatient today. Here’s the video.
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My Bad
I was watching it. Very interesting they already settled on a player if they stay at 2, wonder who that is
You gotta believe it's J-Smith at this point
I just wonder how much value they’re looking to get out of the Sanchez possibility. If we get a pick later in the first and two more picks before the 4th round, we gotta take it, no? That’s two more chances at bringing in NFL productivity.
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Already did
for J-Smith.
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and make sure you guys throw links around today.
It helps validate info when you pass on reports, and if you want people to read your stuff, it saves them the effort of looking around for your ideas. Get linky!
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Dan Snyder says the Skins won't include their 2010 1st round pick in any trades
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Still holding out hope for Curry
until the name is called (if the pick is kept) – but mentally prepared for an OT. Just hope an impact player like a Laurinatis or Nicks (doubtful) is available with the second.
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There's a lot of wackiness to come before the 2nd round pick
So don’t despair yet. Hell, if we pull off a trade, who knows what’ll happen.
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Wyche inside the War Room right now
Devaney about to give him the tour.
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Key quotes from Devaney
“There’s more calls than I expected.”
“Anything’s possible.”
“We’re not saying we have to take a tackle with our first pick.”
“Sanchez is in (our top 5 rated players).”
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I wish I could read body language
He didn’t give to much verbally toward who the pick will
Yeah I dunno.
I hope to hear some rumors on the Sanchez movement. Maybe some specifics as to who’s interested.
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Wyche's post-interview blog entry
here. Nothing spectacular, but the Rams definitely want teams to make a move for Sanchez at 2.
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Bulger is our QB for 09'
according to this post by Jim Thomas
Interesting
Thanks for the link!
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sanchez
i think all this talk about him being drafted by the rams is just leverage for enticing a trade, if no one wants to trade up, they’ll just snag smith or hopefully, curry
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
I think so too
but who knows what Devaney’s getting offered. I hope it’s a sackful of picks.
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I hope we get a first
this year and one next year. That would be the best case scenario.
Rams personnel starting to file into War Room
The first signs of life on the feed on NFL Network.
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Yep, it's definitely
starting to fill up. Man I would love to trade this pick.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
ohhh, ESPN
i like me some erin andrews.
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 25, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
DISCUSSION TOPIC: Who/what do the Rams draft if they trade down in the 1st round?
Seems like middle of the first would be a good spot for a LB.
If they got more than one first rounder (likely if they trade #2) they’d most certainly take an OT, right?
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 25, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions
If they stay in top 10...
or just outside of 10, I think they go Maclin, if he’s there. If not then probably Rey Malaluga(or however u spell that) or Oher
If they trade the pick
and get a middle of the first pick, I think a linebacker like Maualuga is a possibility.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be Maclin
Crabtree
I’d like Crabtree if they traded down. That ego thing seems a little overplayed.
give Bulger some WR talent to work with
by Ryan Van Bibber on Apr 25, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
Crabtree in the middle, Nicks late
WR talent is there; not too many 1st rounders that would fit with us that I’m in love with. Maybe Raji.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Goodell on ESPN
yakking Vick. I want to see them get to rookie contracts.
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and here we go.
Draft contracts the topic du jour.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
on to the cap
again, saying the right things. Dallas and Washington: you suck.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
now extending the season
18 games seems brutal, if they keep the preseason at 4. Haven’t brought up the London Super Bowl…
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
on to ticket prices
Steinbrenner just muted his TV.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about you
But it reminds me a lot of the Cutler talk before we finally went with Tye Hill
Wyche on trade momentum
There is some potential for trade activity at the front end of the draft. Where a move could be made is anyone’s guess, but it appears that QB Mark Sanchez is the target that’s creating the stir. The Rams continue to say that Sanchez is a possibility at No. 2, even though they have more pressing needs. If they select him or find a trade partner for the pick, the first major domino of the draft will have fallen.
Running out of time…
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If there was a trade...
It probably wouldn’t be announced till were on the clock
Mayock
just said that the Jets are making a push to move up to No.2
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Mayock....
Just said that his phone is being blown up with text saying the Jets are trying to move up to #2
He said
it would probably take their first round pick this year (No. 17) and next year’s first as well.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Two firsts?
That’d be pretty nice.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say take it
with some conditional wording. If the Jets go 13-3 and get like one of the last three picks, then we get a 17th and a 30th for a 2nd. Shouldn’t be hard to get that in ink once they agree to two firsts.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
could have been
I’m doing like 5 things at once I heard 2nd n next year but could have been 1st
Tough to say
Depends on how the first dozen shake out. Nicks or Hey-Bey are possible, Raji probably won’t fall that far. Maybe Maualuga?
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Maualuga
will be available. Hey-Bey would be nice at this spot. There’s talk that Maclin could fall here as well. I think Raji will be off the board.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Another WR? I’d think a linebacker or a Tackle would be more important?
I don’t think Maualuga will get past the Chargers
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If we don't get one of the top 2 OTs, I would expect us to wait
until the 2nd or 3rd to fill OT. The WR talent available at the top is markedly better than later on. We could take Hey-Bey or Nicks in the 1st (or Maualuga), MLB/OT in the 2nd, MLB/OT in the 3rd.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
For me
It would be Maclin, Maulaluga, Oher, Nicks. Which ever one is there, in that order
My only hesitancy in Maclin
is that he seems like a more athletic Donnie Avery. I’d really like to see a complementary WR with some bulk and possession abilities. That’s why I’m so pro-Nicks.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
True
but my thing with Maclin is he’s been compared to Holt, and in my opinion looks kinda like Marshall Faulk
Holt? No way.
Definitely more Faulkish. Holt had better hands and ran much crisper routes. Maclin’s super athletic with great speed.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's Bleeding Green Nation's twitter feed from inside Radio City Music Hall
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1650
It’s the point difference between the 2nd and 17th pick in the draft. That means a lot of pick.
Exactly
and a late 1st rounder in 2010 doesn’t make that up, I don’t think. Math, what pick is worth ~1650?
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but...
the Rams have been trying to move out and have said they would give better deal than KC to move back
I guess
That’s a lot of value to sacrifice. I wonder how much financial concerns play into this…
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Throw in a 2nd rounder this year
with the 2 firsts and it’s worth it.
Definitely
Yeah, I said somewhere earlier 3 picks seals the deal.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did they say that?
How do they know what KC would give – do you mean that they would value the pick as the 3d overall pick?
Less than one hour to go.
How long will the Lions milk the spotlight? Don’t be douchey, Detroit.
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They’d probably have to…That’s a lot of money they are having to spend as well.
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That depends
If we go OT, it’s not nearly as expensive as the spotlight positions. Especially if you’re drafting Matthew Stafford and want to give him the most guaranteed money of any single player in the NFL.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Redskins?
NICE! A bidding war between the Skins and Jets would make this great.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Wyche even dropped the Bucs as possibly being in the mix
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
That would be very interesting if it becomes a three team bidding war. I haven’t seen any reports linking the Bucs to Sanchez.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
me either
but Wyche just name dropped em on NFL Network
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It does make sense.
I don’t think the Bucs want to go into the season with Brian Griese, Josh Johnson and Luke McCown at QB.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell yeah it would.
The Rams may be able to get some great value for this pick.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Skins
Don’t have 2nd this year n don’t won’t to deal 1st next year, either they have to brake or throw a player in
So informal crazy poll
Who’s your favorite prospect after the top 10? If we get a trade, it looks like we’ll be in the middle of the mud, so toss out the top 3 OTs, toss out Curry, Crabtree, Orakpo, Raji. Who’s top of your board?
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I don't think the Rams will consider
Jenkins since he projects as a safety and not corner.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Is he the love child
of Spagnuolo and Maualuga?
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN: (its on ESPN2)
said that the most interesting story was the Rams at #2. Interest from NYJ and WSH.
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If Skins offer...
1st this year+next would they take that over Jets 1st this year+next+2nd this year
They wont. The fans will kill Snyder if he lies about next year’s first rounder.
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Yeah
Snyder said he isn’t willing to give up next year’s first rounder.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm crazy....
But if I’m the Jets GM, there is no way in H3LL I trade a first and second this year, plus a first next year for our 1st round. Maybe a first and fourth this year and the first next.
It all depends on their faith in Sanchez
If he’s the guy, then you make it happen. Look at what Dallas gave Detroit for Roy Williams.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Especially for a QB, it’s the most important position, if the Jets don’t get one soon there season is basically over
Yep,
they are desperate for a QB. Kellen Clemens is not the guy that will lead them to the playoffs. If they think Sanchez can be a franchise QB for years to come (which I think he will) then throw in everything you’ve got to make the trade.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
And I'm
with 3k. Detroit better not take all ten minutes to announce they’ve signed Stafford.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm really hoping
that they’re keeping curry on the down-low, and surprise everyone by taking him second overall
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
If we get the trade value
then all the pro-Curry contingent should be behind the trade. Multiple firsts? I don’t care how good you think one LB is; if you can get 2-3 starters, then it’s way more valuable than a single LB.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus,
there’s no guarantee that Curry will be able to transition to MLB, which we would need him to do.
by BruinFanBaby on Apr 25, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Next thread in 6 minutes
Last chance to get your pre-draft thoughts out. Once we hit 15 to go, it’s draft time!
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Matthew Stafford annouced
We will be 1st team on the clock
Well done, Detroit
Hat tip to you for class.
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by 3k on Apr 25, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Last pre-draft thought for Rams.
Don’t screw (censored) it up guys.
"Score some damn runs, or the baby pandas die"
new thread
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Theres the man
CURRY CURRY CURRY
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Dam
thats all i can say
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The next Ray Lewis
We just got an over priced tackle and passed on the second coming of RAY LEWIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets hope the rest of the draft is better for us. Josh Freeman!!!!!! in round 2!!!!!!!!!!!!
This team is going to be at least two games better by this pick alone. Jackson can now make a living owning the defenses and Bulger can see what life is like again standing up instead of picking grass out of his helmet.
The key is now the second round pick!!!!!
Come on MLB, Laurenitis or if we get LUCKY, Maualuga
Defense like a sieve
I am happy that we can actually run the ball now. A mike like Laurenitis or Mau would be great. Hopefully there is a developmental QB out there in the later rounds?
2nd pick
has to be a Defensive pick……….if not we’re in trouble
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Crabtree is going to the 49ers
With Crabtree going to the 49ers, at least we can guarantee we have a top 5 pick next year.
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