Free agency and the Rams #2 pick in the draft
by VanRam on Mar 3, 2009 4:08 PM CST
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Do you know what tomorrow is? If you guessed Wednesday, you're exactly right, but that's not exactly the point I was driving at. Tomorrow, the 2009 NFL Draft's top WR, Michael Crabtree, has surgery on his foot to for a stress fracture. The procedure includes a 10-week recovery program, leaving him plenty of time to get ready for the regular season. Consequently, he won't be running the 40 at the Texas Tech pro day on 3/26, but he doesn't really need to. But where does this leave his draft status?
It's doubtful that this injury makes Crabtree any less likely to be drafted among the first five picks of the draft. Between now and then there'll be lots of talk and debate about whether or not the Rams should take him with the second overall pick. The Rams could certainly use a WR of Crabtree's ilk, but I think it's unlikely they'll pick him. Why? When the Rams signed C Jason Brown, they made a very serious, very public commitment to building a tough, young offensive line. Passing on one of the top three OTs in the draft (Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher) would seriously undercut that goal.
With one of those tackles on board and Jason Brown in the middle, the Rams have two essential building blocks to make their o-line the foundation from which the offense flows for at least the next five years. Not that drafting a player of Crabtree's ability would be detrimental to the Rams, but it would leave them with major weaknesses up front.
In looking at the top five spots in the draft, it's unlikely Crabtree will be playing the NFC West at all. Seattle, picking fourth, probably won't draft Crabtree after paying ridiculous amounts of money for T.J. Houshmandzadeh. In fact, among the top five, only the Rams and Chiefs have a legitimate need at WR. The Browns could use a WR like Crabtree, but I boldly predict that the Chiefs will draft him with the third overall pick, giving the newly acquired QB Matt Cassel someone to throw to beside Tony Gonzalez.
Speaking of T.J. Houshmandzadeh, I like coming matchup between him and Ron Bartell. In fact, he could see plenty of double coverage. Bartell will still have his hans full keeping Housmandzadeh from getting those jump balls in the end zone, but I still like the matchup.
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Van you’re depressing me with that write up. I still think we’ll go Crabtree/Curry at #2…..not only will either of those 2 help us tremendously, they will also sell tickets…….in a way I hope you’re wrong, if anything we know about this years draft, its that there are not too many “sure bets”………those 2 are the closest we’ll find to sure bets……IMO it has to be one of the 2
by JordansDad on Mar 3, 2009 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But why are sure bets or tickets important?
If Stafford was a “sure bet”, would we need to take him at #2? IMO, it’s the lowest risk v. reward that provides the most potential for making the team as a whole better. With Pace’s age and Barron’s, uh, Barron-imity, I’ve wanted a tackle since the season opener, but the Crabtree hype was getting too strong during my last mock. Hopefully, now that his injury has quelled that some, we’ll return to rationality and agree that an OT makes the Rams better than Crabtree or Curry would and with the outlook for this team being VERY high over the next 2-3 seasons, we can’t afford to misuse such valuable picks.
Or we can let economic woes determine who we pick and go for Kevin Huber. (For those of you who just read that and said, “Who the hell is Kevin Huber?” He’s the top-rated punter in the class.)
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3k
when you have to pay the #2 overall pick a contract worth 70-75mil you want him to be as sure of a bet as possible right? Teams dont want to pay that kind of money to someone who might not pan out in the NFL, so they take the player with less possibility of “busting”……..and in this case, Crabtree and Curry are the 2 most ready for the NFL and the 2 most likely to make an immediate impact…….the reason why we wouldnt take QB at #2 is because we dont have that much of a need for him, but we have legitamate need for WR and ILB……..as far as selling tickets, for Rams fans that want them to stay in St Louie you better want ticket sales, you guys are inches away from the team coming back to my beloved SoCal(we just got stadium approval), if the Rams dont put a product on the field that wins and sells tickets we may be calling them the “Los Angeles Rams” again……….
by JordansDad on Mar 3, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The City of Industry Rams!
I sure hope they pick a boring draft pick, piss of St. Louis fans, and as the team matures and dominates, they move back to SoCal and tear it up, forever becoming a franchise of greatness in LA (a la the Trojans football, Bruins basketball and Lakers).
by BruinHalo on Mar 3, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SoCal
Some of my friends hope the rams go 0-16 each year for the next few years just so they’ll come back to LA, im not one of them, I just cant get myself to cheer when the Rams lose although I do want them to come back to SoCal.
by JordansDad on Mar 3, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
be careful
LA is clamoring for a team now, and might not wait around for the Rams.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoawhoawhoawhoa
70-75 mil? Where are you getting that from? I’ll give you license for exaggerating, but damn. DE’s a pretty pricey position and we gave Chris Long, our #2 pick last year, a 5-year 27-million deal, so you’re adding about two dozen million. Are you in Congress? Be honest. Most of yall don’t know this, but Tackle Box is Jim Haslett. We could add you to the TST celebrity list.
As for needs, I wouldn’t put WR above MLB, or OT which are both acceptable at #2… if there was a true MLB that could be taken at #2. Curry is an OLB who most think is talented enough to move inside, but that’s a significant risk. I would much rather take an OT in J-Smith or Monroe who we have to reteach positional schemes.
And just we’re on the same track, I became a Rams fan when they were in LA. I grew up in Dallas hating the Cowboys, and for whatever reason, loved the Rams as a kid. In fact, I’ve never even been to St. Louis.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Long
5 year 27 mil…………how much for a signing bonus and how much gauranteed? i will verify your numbers…………while I appreciate your sarcasm 3k, I think you need to check the backgrounds on some of the guys you want the Rams to take as far as OT is concerned
Jason Smith- Converted from TE to OT……..talk about not having much experience at a position
Eugene Monroe- Has had knee issues in the past, durablity is an issue
Andre Smith- Well we all know how that went during the combine, but I’ll go over it again. Left the combine due to “not being in workout shape” and didnt even bother to tell anyone…..the most important job interview in his life and he couldnt even consider it important enough to prepare for…………not to mention his bowl game issue and so on and so forth
Michael Oher- About the only one of the bunch without issues, but not good enough to take at #2
Now all I’m saying and all I have been saying whether the numbers as far as contracts are right, is that with the amount of money we pay the #2 pick of the draft, it better be a sure bet. There are only 2 sure bets in the draft and thats Curry and Crabtree.Lets look at the both of them
Aaron Curry-Played almost every game of his 5 year career(yes, I said 5) athletic and smart enough to play any LB position(as stated by scouts)……….will help our D tremendously……..Remember Pace can always come back for 1 more year or more and if he doesnt we moved Barron to the left side with decent results
Michael Crabtree- Has hands and size(whether its 6’1 or 6’3) that you dont see very often. Has very little health concerns. Has already been compared to both Fitz and Bolden………..
In conclusion, I hope you will see that no where in my post did I try to offend you or reply to anything you said sarcasticly, as you did to me……….but anyway lets get past that, as all I’m trying to get across is MY OPINION of why we should look to Crabs/Curry with the #2……Im not discounting that we need an OT, I just think that we can wait till later rounds and/or keep Pace for a couple more years.
P.S. Yes I would like to be added to the celebrity list.
by JordansDad on Mar 3, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No offense taken
Dad, and everyone else here at TST, let me be very, very blunt:
I will never take offense as long as you don’t make it personal. If we keep it on the Rams and football no matter how vehemently we may disagree, it’s all good. I hope you feel the same, Dad.
Now as for your points, let me do some more research to find more than one source (if I can) on C-Long’s contract. I’ll have to drop it tomorrow because I live on the East Coast and it’s 11PM and I have to wake up at 5AM.
As for your arguments:
- J-Smith – Has much more experience at the position the Rams would draft him (OT) than the position the Rams would draft Curry (MLB). J-Smith moved to OT very early in his college career where Curry didn’t move.
- G-Mon – the durability issues you reference were in regard to his knee, I’m assuming. Yes, he did have a serious knee injury (as just about every lineman does), but had successful surgery, missed few games his junior year, and played his entire senior year without issue
- A-Smith – let’s just agree this is not the pick the Rams need to make and move on
- Oher – again, no
- he’s older than the tackle options. Sure, he’s only a year older than Monroe, but it’s worth taking into account. Athleticism and smarts, which I agree Curry has, aren’t enough to play any position. It takes more. Do I think he has it? Yes. But could I be wrong? Certainly. And the risk of that wrong-ness is not worth it, IMO. And as for you Pace-Barron argument, I would add we can keep the Spoon-Tinoisamoa-any OLB here and get “decent” results. The question is where are you willing to accept “decent” results and where will it hurt you more. Personally, I think it hurts us more on the O-line.
- Tree – As for 6’1" size, you do see that very, very often in NFL WRs. Shit, I’m 6’2". His size or speed isn’t his key trait; it’s his athleticism and intangibles, which I definitely won’t question. And as for the fact he’s been compared to Fitz and Boldin, Akili Smith was compared to Randy Cunningham, Lawrence Phillips was compared to Emmit Smith, and Ryan Leaf was compared to Dan Marino. Comparisons are worth a hot pile of Ukranian poop.
The only real disagreement we have, it seems, is how long we can last with Pace at OT. I feel 100% sure that this is his last year, and I’m only 33% sure he’ll give us 10+ games this year. I am very confident that he will hurt his shoulder/tricep again this year which will force him to retire. I think we get more for the franchise by drafting OT and MLB in rounds 1 & 2 (depending on who is available in round 2) and taking a WR next year, or,as I’ve hinted and as I’m dreaming, Julio Jones in two years.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Long contract
im still a little unsure of his exact numbers but Jake Long #1 5yr/57mil #3 Matt Ryan 6yr/72mil and the D Mac 6yr/60mil……….so Chris Long had to sign somewhere in that range……..far from the 5yr/27mil you stated and a little closer to what I said
by JordansDad on Mar 3, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rotoworld says
5 yr/$48M. $22.385M is guaranteed. 1st year roster bonus of $2.605. And another $12M is available through incentives. He voided the 6th year of the contract by playing in at least 35% of the defensive snaps in 2008. Also, he is eligible for a one-time $4.01M “likely to be earned” escalator based on performance (I’m not sure if that 4.01 falls in with the 12M in incentives or if it’s separate…..and just adding things up, I don’t think it is included).
So, I guess the total the contract could be worth (if is reaches it’s end and he hits all of his incentives) is $60M over the course of 5 years.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 3, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the numbers I was going off of
guaranteed + escalator, though I thought the escalator was a bit higher. Bonuses are cap indifferent and incentives are performance-based, so it’s just a matter of how you look at it. As for the three Dad mentioned, look at the positions:
an OT taken 1st overall (who they had to throw heavy money at to ensure they could lock him up on a team coming off a 1-win season), a QB and a RB. All going to command premium salary offers.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 4, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, if we wait another 10 years
will they be moving the team back to St. Louis? Or maybe some other fly over city once LA fails to support yet another pro football team?
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 3, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hehehe, I love it
Here’s a question: would anybody else find enjoyment in the Rams moving to Dallas to be the 2nd team of that area?
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I think you’re alone on that one….
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 3, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Canada? I’m joking but sooner or later we’re gonna have our team
by MathB on Mar 4, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alaska anyone?
"I always think one step ahead, like a carpenter....the builds stairs"
by sergey606 on Mar 4, 2009 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rams Should Take Curry
Word on the street is that Curry could play inside at the NFL level. If Curry can move inside the Rams can move Witherspoon back outside. However with the potential departure of Pace we could use another tackle. Bottom line is that the Rams can not afford to miss with this pick.
by AgentOrange31 on Mar 3, 2009 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He could, but
could is VERY different than will. That’s like saying Andre Smith could play guard or that Tim Tebow could be a TE. I agree we need a MLB, but I don’t know if Curry’s the answer. Now that we’ve drafted a C, I like the idea of using our 2nd rounder on a MLB who has had strong PT at the college level at MLB: Beckwith, McKillop, Phillips, Ellerbe or Brinkley would all fit that mold and be available, probably, at our 2nd round spot.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is bold. Too bold...
And without a post-combine mock from yours truly. I feel betrayed.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
KC/Crabtree
“I boldly predict that the Chiefs will draft him with the third overall pick, giving the newly acquired QB Matt Cassel someone to throw to beside Tony Gonzalez.”
Like..Dwayne Bowe? I can’t see KC passing on Curry if he’s available.
Re: the Rams, stick with one of the top OT and pick up a LB in 2. It’s very possible Laurinitis will fall that far.
by lyon812 on Mar 3, 2009 6:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bowe’s great, but I’ve got an LSU bias. I agree with you on Curry and KC and OT in the 1st and MLB in the 2nd. Are you me? And what’s with the name? It’s not for Lyon, France, is it?
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The # 2 pic ?
Well its good to see the Rams front office is making all the right moves, and what has impressed me is that fact that so far they got every they wanted ,still working on Butler but never the less this is showing real acomitment to bild this team and that can only make every one happy and glad to finaly have people running this team that show real football smarts, well as far as our # 2 pic, the players available to us are all very good ,each in there own position, sure M.C is the WR every one would like to have but there are other good recievers as well that we can get in the second round,ofcource the big name OTs are there for our picking as well as the middle linebacker that we so desperatly need Curry, but after looking at the moves this team has made im have full confidence that any player they pic will be the right fit for this team , dam this free agency has restored all my confidence in our beloved Rams, I love this team and last year hurt so bad to see it all falling apart ,these guys are giving us that fealing of a champion right off the bat,the right people are in charge that is all that matters,every thing else will fall into place ,one by one all the peaces of the puzle, now lets go get Buttler
by james535 on Mar 3, 2009 7:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I actually think the signing of Brown means they won't be taking an offensive lineman in the first round
I am guessing it’s Curry.
Will give the Rams much flexibility on all the schemes Spags would like to throw at offenses
by Option27 on Mar 3, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
but then what is the answer at OT?
We might get lucky and make it through this year, assuming we retain Pace and Barron plays sufficiently (big IF). If, however, either of those conditions don’t exist throughout the season, it will be hard for us to establish a running game, and then we are left with the same issue next year in that we have to find a top OT to replace the decade of service Orlando Pace provided. What is the solution if it isn’t drafting an OT this year?
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Rams HAVE to draft an OT this year.
Possible 1st round, but no later than the 3rd round. And if they wait til the 3rd round, they better be sure they’re getting the guy they want. I have absolute faith in the decision they make, but as important as it was to get a center on this team, it’s just important to protect Bulger’s (or whoever’s behind center) blind side with a really good tackle.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've mentioned my take on this before
Worst case scenario if Pace is gone. Move Barron to LT (natural position) and Greco to RT (a position he played in college)
This class is deep on offensive linemen. you can grab a quality pick in the 2nd or 3rd round
by Option27 on Mar 3, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
define quality
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he's got quality
But is it worth Curry + Meredith vs. J-Smith/G-Monroe + Danny Ellerbe?
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greco i hope but
He didn’t look 2 good play n L/G,we’ll c
by Magyar on Mar 4, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, we have to, the question is when and what return do we expect
I will put this down now: if the Rams don’t draft an OT in the first three rounds, I will donate a bottle of top Bourbon to TST. Look, it’s going to happen, the question is when and what do you want for that draftee? If we draft round 1, it will either be Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe. Would you rather have one of those than Phil Loadholt or Steve Beatty or Troy Kropog or even Alex Boone? The question then is what would you sacrifice to have one of those first two names instead of one of the last 4?
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd definitly take Curry
for one of the Loadholt, Beatty, Kropog, Boone group. Probably even Crabtree, but my first pick (if it weren’t an OT) would have to be Curry.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 3, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the rams first pick should be Curry. If you’ve watched him play you know he can play inside as well as outside. He doesn’t only play the strong side OLB on the line, he is often playing off the line and he drops back into zones and coverage better than most LB’s I’ve ever seen. His quickness to the ball is outrageous, and he is able to take on and shed blockers better than any LB I’ve seen. He is a powerful run stopper., not the pass rusher type you see most OLB’s, and I think he’s the best player in this years draft, with Crabtree being a close second. Noone else is even close to those two.
The rams most immediate need is obviously at OT, but I don’t think the immediate needs are the answer. This team needs to look at what will be best over the next several years.
1. Curry
2. Crabtree
3. Eugene Monroe (the most complete and best pass protecting OT in the draft)
Eugene Monroe was so good that Branden Albert played Guard at Virginia…
Alberts is KC’s starting Left Tackle as a rookie….
Hmmmm
I think it’s a big mistake if Rams don’t pick one of those 3 guys.
by bmack51 on Mar 3, 2009 8:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree on a point that most would think I would agree on
The rams most immediate need is obviously at OT
I personally think the most immediate need is a MLB, but a true MLB that is #2-worthy doesn’t exist. Curry is an OLB who is #2-worthy with the talent to slide over and play MLB. But is he an NFL-level MLB that would deserve a #2 pick? The truth is, nobody knows. You can’t answer that question due to his lack of experience at the question. Monroe is a beast, yes; I agree that he is one of my top three for the pick. To be honest, at this point, he’s in my top two with Jason Smith.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you for the time being
However, if they release or trade Pace, then I think OT becomes our #1 priority.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t agree more. Let me say more Southernly; I couldn’t put down fo dat harder.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree with #2 pick
Crabtree’s a potential superstar and needs to be the priority cause Holt is done and gone. Pace is out too. The exit of Holt and Pace will open up significant CAP room. And, we’ve got Brown now plus can pick up some quality O-Linemen and defenders somewhere in rounds 2-7. It’s my guess that the new coaching staff will light a fire under Barron, Incognito and Bell. We know the first two CAN play well like they did in the last 3 games of 2006. We paid Bell like he can play – so let’s expect to see some results this year. While Avery and Burton are good young receivers, we’ve already lost Bruce, cut Bennett, will lose Holt and probably won’t keep Looker either. So we’ll be hurtin’ at WR without Crab.
by edpjr on Mar 3, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Solid arguments except
It’s my guess
Do you really want to risk the health of your franchise on a guess?
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all of the OT
in the draft are guesses
by JordansDad on Mar 3, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
except 3k
he can pass block like a mug
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 3, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes But
can he run block……remember we’re focusing on the run this year?
3k im still waiting for an answer on the celebrity list thing
by JordansDad on Mar 3, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Curry's a better bet to be a superstar than Crabtree
not taking anything away from Crabtree because he’s great, but Curry’s better.
BUT………if we draft an OT its not because of star quality. Having a great OT helps our quarterback and running back become stars.
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 3, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
i think OT, OT, OT, but then I think Curry would be great too
by VanRam on Mar 4, 2009 6:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a defensive guy in all sports.
I have always wanted my three favorite major sports teams to be defensive minded. Since Curry is the best guy out there on defense, I would go with him. Then trade Holt and sign Mike Peterson to be the man in the middle. Draft a receiver in the second round, hopefully find another Avery. Then go left tackle in the third.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
by srdmad on Mar 4, 2009 12:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i like your
favorite teams man, except i really don’t watch basketball, and could care less. but the SR and the AD are cool
"I always think one step ahead, like a carpenter....the builds stairs"
by sergey606 on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew you liked the D'backs, because of the Haren photo.
And the fact that I have seen your name at azsnakepit.
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
by srdmad on Mar 4, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ass naked pit?
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Mar 4, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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