Cap space: the elephant in the room
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 2:24 PM CST
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PrintWhen Van brought up Albert Haynesworth, a couple people mentioned the issue of cap space. Well Mike Sando broke down the finances of all four NFC West teams, and here's the sum of it (figures in millions):
Arizona - $41 current cap room, Sando projects $20-25
San Fran - $12 current cap room, Sando projects $20-30
Seattle - $20.3 current cap room, Sando projects $15.5
St. Louis - $13.9 current cap room, Sando projects $4
He also had this to say:
The Rams can clear additional cap room by releasing receiver Torry Holt and reducing other contracts. Both appear likely for a team with a new front office and head coach. The Rams, with the second overall pick in the draft, will have to set aside about $6 million to sign their 2009 selections. The team faces another $4 million or so in charges associated with entering the final capped year of the collective bargaining agreement.
So I don't think a Haynesworth-type signing is in our future.
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ouch
we’ve been hearing that they plan on LOTS of roster turnover, which hopefully clears up some more space.
Atogwe will command some $$ since using the franchise tag will make him among the top paid at his position.
this is why a first round QB just doesn’t make sense.
I wonder if Bulger is willing to restructure and if that would save some cap space?
I agree
that a first round QB is the way to go. Go with something safe this year. Shop the bargain bin. Don’t overpay for unknown quantities. I know this probably wouldn’t happen, but what would the cap penalty be for releasing Bulger – does anyone know exactly how cap penalties work? That might make for a good post.
does anyone know exactly how cap penalties work?
I sure as hell don’t. The legal and financial wizardry of the NFL should have earned someone a damn Nobel prize for mathematics by now.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
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dropping Bulger would be a huge cap penalty. About 4-6 million penalty would be applied for the next offseason.
Hope this helps
Does no one pay attention to all the work taiko and I did....
just kidding. I know there are lots of new people here. Anyway…..
Bulger’s cap hit next year (if cut/released this offseason) would be $18 Million.
Get used to him being our quarterback.
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Cap ramifications.
It’s actually a pretty interesting discussion taiko and I had one evening comparing the current Rams situation and last year’s Falcon’s situation.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
How did I miss that?
Great stuff.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
I think you were on maneuvers
or in some remote isolated part of the world when it went down.
A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!
It was right after I moved. I got to Savannah on Nov 7th and didn’t have a house yet.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
very nice
you mentioned oaklands cap hell…it is only going to get worse. that is how NOT to run a franchise in every significant way…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 6, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think a Bulger restructuring would be as valuable as a Holt, Pace or Little restructuring.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
rumor has it
that they’ll ask Pace to restructure a la Little before last season
by Ryan Van Bibber on Feb 6, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I’ve heard that too
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
contracts
Pace has to rework his contract for sure! Little still deserves his contract and If Bulger dose’nt want to rework his contract then …… well he dose’nt care about his team like he say he dose.
it's not about deserving
it’s about value and commitment to a team
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Crabtree
I would love to see them draft Crabtree! Bring a little greatest show on turf back.
And then if we lose at least we could have some excitment.
if we really do cut holt
it makes more sense to me to draft Crabtree, as we will look pretty weak and shallow in our WR depth w/o Holt even with his decline….
Easy on the Holt decline
Look at Bruce last year! It’s not because he had his worst season since his rookie season that he doesn’t have another 5 good years. I say rework his contract but keep him anyway if he doesn’t want to. Cut Bennett, Hall and Green but don’t touch Holt. I rather see Little and Pace cut than Holt.
Holt's decline has been in the works a while
Compare his and Bruce’s average yards per catch, and yards after catch, the last five years:
Isaac Bruce
Year … Avg … YAC … Long
2004 … 14.5 … 4.0 … 56
2005 … 14.6 … 3.5 … 46
2006 … 14.8 … 4.0 … 45
2007 … 13.3 … 3.2 … 37
2008 … 13.7 … 3.2 … 63
Torry Holt
Year … Avg … YAC … Long
2004 … 14.6 … 3.3 … 58
2005 … 13.0 … 2.4 … 63
2006 … 12.8 … 3.0 … 67
2007 … 12.8 … 2.3 … 40
2008 … 12.4 … 2.7 … 45
With numbers like this, Holt is a glorified possession receiver. He’s catching more balls than Bruce by virtue of running the slants and underneath routes, but the cumulative numbers overstate his contribution to the offense.
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Not necessarily true
You just need a speed receiver who can capitalize on deep balls, like Lee Evans from Buffalo or Santana Moss until 2006. Or (and it hurts me to say it) Devery Henderson.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 7, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry to be off topic
but I saw this today, and tho ught someone on the board might want to request it as an early birthday or fathers day present.
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Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
If Holt doesn’t want to be here, I think he has earned his right to leave. He still under contract, and can probably still generate a good trade for the Rams.
Pace has to rework his contract…he simply does not play at the top-elite level anymore and shouldn’t be paid as such…
I’m sure they can find more money as their will probably be a mass exodus once they find what they can get in the draft and free agency.
But why not try to restructure? This team can be VERY competitive in two seasons. Would Holt not want to be a part of that as a cap to a HoF career? Pace is already in the epilogue of his career.
An exodus would be nice. Money = good.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 6, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
What Holt wants...
Probably a change of scenery, to a team with Super Bowl aspirations, as the capper to his career. But it depends. I’d bet it would be a much harder sell to get him to restructure to stay here, rather than to restructure to make it easier to trade him. If he’s going to stay in a rebuild, he’s got no motivation to do anything otehr than cash the biggest paychecks he can along the way.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
yeah, we need to clean the WR cubbord, but keep holt. he is the heart of the O. crabtree does look appealing, but the line needs to be adressed. SIGH, and for bulger….. personally anyone that would say “we played as hard as we could, we just arent good enough!” walking papers, right there…. thats busch league.. not the kind of QB that can take the reins and put a team in the playoffs. granted our O line is molded of a fine swiss cheese, not a leader. trent green, your cut too bud. billy volek is a UFA, he seems like he might be a diamond in the rough. i dont get paid to make this decisions, im not informed enough… i hope that we can turn this wreck around though, im trying to raise a little rams fan here. c’mon fellas
Volek would be a legitimate back up
but Bulger has the reins until his contract runs up. It’s just the way it is.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 7, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
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