Mock Draft - Rounds 1 & 2 - v2.0
by 3k on Feb 18, 2009 8:11 PM CST
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I can't help but put together one more mock draft before the combine.
Again, check the TST mock draft database for all your mock needs. If I counted right, we have 38 mocks loaded in. That's ridiculous.
Let's check in with Mel Kiper, Jr.'s hair. Kiper's hair, how does 38 mock drafts make you feel?
Looks fluffy to me.
For reference, my last mock can be found here. 'ESPN' and 'MTD' refer to ESPN's draft profile reports and Mocking the Draft's scouting reports.
Round 1
1.) Detroit - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
Change from last mock: 0
Still my pick here.
Pulse of the Nation (Pride of Detroit): I think PoD is starting to see the momentum behind this pick.
2.) St. Louis - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Change from last mock: +1
I just don't think the Rams are going to be able to pass him up anymore. The Andre Smith (OT, Alabama) pick has lost so much momentum, if the Rams were going OT at this point, I would think the Rams are leaning towards Eugene Monroe (OT, Virginia), Jason Smith (OT, Baylor) or Michael Oher (OT, Ole Miss) in that order. But I think post-combine, even though Crabtree won't run an official 40 there, his hype will be as high as Staffords, and they'll have to go 1-2.
Pulse of the Nation (Turf Show Times): A wrap-up from Van earlier this month on draft stuff.
3.) Kansas City - Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
Change from last mock: +2
With Crabtree gone and having moved Derrick Johnson to MLB, the Chiefs add a pass rushing threat here in Curry, the top OLB in the draft, hands down.
Pulse of the Nation (Arrowhead Pride): A breakdown of the top three picks by position since '98 and what that means for the Chiefs. And check out the renderings of the Chiefs' new digs. Nicey.
4.) Seattle - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Change from last mock: -2
If A-Smith does end up moving to guard once he makes the NFL, Seattle would be a nice fit since Gs Mike Wahle & Chris Gray are getting close to the end of their careers, just like OT Walter Jones.
Pulse of the Nation (Field Gulls): The community looks at draft trends.
5.) Cleveland - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio St.
Change from last mock: +9
I didn't feel comfortable mocking Jenkins down at 14, but I didn't see a fit. With Curry off the board, Cleveland gets a franchise CB that can play against any WR in the NFL.
Pulse of the Nation (Dawgs by Nature): MTD's AFC North correspondent, shake n bake, stopped by to talk to the Browns faithful about the draft.
6.) Cincinnati - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Change from last mock: 0
If Orakpo has a solid combine, expect him to be the first DE off the board.
Pulse of the Nation (Cincy Jungle): The Jungle reads an essay-style mock database.
7.) Oakland - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
Change from last mock: -3
Monroe still comes off as the 2nd OT, just a few spots later.
Pulse of the Nation (Silver and Black Pride): Someone agrees with this pick...
8.) Jacksonville - Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
Change from last mock: 0
Between, J-Smith or Oher I flip a coin here. Without the combine, I lean Oher, but I expect J-Smith to open some eyes.
Pulse of the Nation (Big Cat Country): Tkopa wonders if the money issue that saw 1st round pick Derrick Harvey hold out last year will force this year's #8 pick to do the same.
9.) Green Bay Packers - Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn St.
Change from last mock: 0
Still confident in this one, although B.J. Raji (DT, Boston College) would make sense. I personally think Green Bay has more to gain in addnig a young DE than DT.
Pulse of the Nation (Acme Packing Company): A look at Eugene Monroe. Not interesting in that regard, but the idea the Pack could take an OT in the 1st is shocking. I was 100% sure it would either be DE or Raji.
10.) San Francisco 49ers - Everette Brown, DE, Florida St.
Change from last mock: 0
Still like this one.
Pulse of the Nation (Niners Nation): Fooch looks at Jeremy Maclin (WR, Missouri) and passes. Still a tempting pick for the Niners who could use a young game-changer at WR. Notice the featured poll on the main page has Brown at 30% leading all other choices with almost 300 votes.
11.) Buffalo Bills - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma St.
Change from last mock: 0
It makes too much sense to me. Another team that could grab Raji, but Pettigrew gives them a versatile option on an offense that lacks versatile options, especially with Marshanw Lynch's drama.
Pulse of the Nation (Buffalo Rumblings): I cen't get these guys to agree with me. Maybe a strong showing by Pettigrew at the combine will push the Rumblings crew ni my direction.
12.) Denver Broncos - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Change from last mock: 0
I still feel it's between Raji & Knowshon Moreno (HB, Georgia).
Pulse of the Nation (Mile High Report): Of specific interest to the Rams, MHR breaks down the MLB prospects. Again, you should stop by. These guys are putting together the best draft coverage I've seen on the interwebs.
13.) Washington Redskins - Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
Change from last mock: +6
My revolving door pick. Two times ago it was Michael Johnson (DE, Georgia Tech), and last time it was Rey Maualuga (MLB, USC). All that means is next time, I won't mock the Skins for Oher.
Pulse of the Nation (Hogs Haven): ebag wonders how to evaluate prospects as a whole package, not just as athletes or positional players.
14.) New Orleans Saints - Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
Change from last mock: +10
With Jenkins off the board, the Saints grab the next best corner of the draft, and the only other CB in the top-tier (pre-combine). In my last mock, I had Davis going 24th to Atlanta, but I did add, "Expect him to come off very soon after Jenkins to a New Orleans or a Houston."
Pulse of the Nation (Canal Street Chronicles): St. Sanchez? I don't see it happening.
15.) Houston Texans - Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Change from last mock: 0
I can't wait to see the DE's at the combine. I have incredible difficulty separating the top 7 DEs on the board this year into two or three tiers. My top seven are obviously the four off the board at this point, Orakpo, Maybin, E. Brown & M. Johnson, but don't sleep on Tyson Jackson (DE, LSU), Paul Kruger (DE, Utah), or Robert Ayers (DE, Tennessee). Hell, you could even throw Michael Bennett (DE, Texas A&M) & Brandon Williams (DE, Texas Tech) in the mix with those seven, but you'd be hard-pressed to defend that pre-combine. I still put Johnson here if for no other reason than I had him here last time.
Pulse of the Nation (Battle Red Blog): TransientTexan asks, should Texans fans watch the combine? 3k answer, yes. Yes they should. Every man, woman and child should watch the combine. It should be a national week-long holiday with a tax break incentive on beer & nacho cheese, with mandatory town halls in the evenings for neighbors to yell at each other over why they should draft Moreno if he's still on the board. Or not.
16.) San Diego Chargers - Rey Maualuga, MLB, Southern California
Change from last mock: -3
Last time, I had the Chargers picking Peria Jerry (DT, Ole Miss), but with Rey still on the board, I don't see the Chargers missing out on his run coverage skills.
Pulse of the Nation (Bolts from the Blue): The community weighs in with their first 4 picks after DaBolts sums up the total production of the Lions, Rams, Chiefs, and Seahawks.
17.) New York Jets - Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern California
Change from last mock: 0
Whether Favre retires or not, they'll need some potential here; Kellen Clemens, the former Oregon standout, doesn't bring much. Regardless, a post-Favre era that sees Sanchez and Clemens on the Jets' depth chart bodes well.
Pulse of the Nation (Gang Green Nation): Do these guys know there is a draft soon? They sure do miss Brett Favre a lot, for a team that didn't make the playoffs. I'll leave this spot linkless in the hopes it will motivate the GGN crew to start talking draft.
18.) Chicago Bears - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
Change from last mock: 0
I still feel this one's on point. And just to be fair on my last mock, I said the Bears needed a lot of help on offense, but left out Matt Forte. For the record: I like his skills, but I'm not sold on him yet. An avoidance of a sophmore slump will make me a believer.
Pulse of the Nation (Windy City Gridiron): GeauxBears looks at the top tier of OTs in the draft. I think they should start looking at the next tier; last mock I had all four gone by #8 and this time, they're off the board a bit later by 13.
19.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
Change from last mock: 0
For the Bucs, it's D-line or WR. With Raji, Orakpo, Maybin, E. Brown & M. Johnson off the board, I don't think the next best DT or DE does as much as Harvin, the next best WR, does. Plus, as I noted last time around, Tampa seems to be very comfortable when it comes to drafting Florida wideouts.
Pulse of the Nation (Buc' Em): The Bucs discussed how they whittle down a sea of options to the chosen few. Look for position rankings in the comments.
20.) Detroit Lions (via Dallas Cowboys) - James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio St.
Change from last mock: 0
I still love the pairing of Laurinaitis with Stafford for the Lions.
Previous pick: 1st rd., #1 - Matthew Stafford (QB, Georgia)
21.) Philadelphia Eagles - Knowshon Moreno, HB, Georgia
Change from last mock: 0
Still makes sense to me, especially this deep into the first round.
Pulse of the Nation (Bleeding Green Nation): Not drafty, but a nice primer for those who don't understand D-line tactics.
22.) Minnesota Vikings - Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
Change from last mock: 0
I keep trying to change my mind on these and it's not happening, especially since I have an inkling that Britton is going to have a beastly combine.
Pulse of the Nation (Daily Norseman): Do the Vikings go QB, C, or OT? Or best available? The Daily Norseman readership is unanimous in their disagreement with each other.
23.) New England Patriots - Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern California
Change from last mock: 0
I still can't shake my last mock, I guess.
Pulse of the Nation (Pats Pulpit): Not a lot of draftiness here, but this random Pats-dom does at least link to someone who says the Pats "could choose a linebacker" at 23. Plus it links to pictures of old mascots.
24.) Atlanta Falcons - Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
Change from last mock: N/A
Loadholt is probably the OT with the biggest question marks out of the top two tiers. He is also the biggest, and that, as we all know, is something you can't teach.
Pulse of the Nation (The Falcoholic): The signing of Will Svitek only confirms that the Falcons are willing to take on projects at OT.
25.) Miami Dolphins - Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
Change from last mock: 0
Nicks = possession receiver. Ginn, Jr. = speed receiver. The two together = good.
Pulse of the Nation (The Phinsider): From reader miamiphins 190 comes 9 suggested picks for the Fins.
26.) Baltimore Ravens - Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
Change from last mock: 0
I still think the marketing behind this pick will drive it into reality.
Pulse of the Nation (Baltimore Beatdown): shake n bake stops by againn to talk to the Raven faithful. Best comment (from reader 'raven'): "Heyward Bey would be our well behaved Plexico." Is Plexico Plaxico's plastic twin?
27.) Indianapolis Colts - Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
Change from last mock: N/A
Flipped from CB to DT with combine on the mind. Hood looks to be a slippery pass-rushing DT. A solid combine showing speed & agility could vault him into the 1st round. Look for me to change my mind right back to D.J. Moore (CB, Vanderbilt) after the combine.
Pulse of the Nation (Stampede Blue): What do they need? After reading this... I know less.
28.) Philadelphia Eagles (via Carolina Panthers) - Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan
Change from last mock: 0
I still like this pick. It gives the Eagles a pair of safeties (in Delmas and Quintin Mikell) to build on over the next 4-6 since safeties are so key to their defense.
Previous pick: 1st rd., #21 - Knowshon Moreno (HB, Georgia)
29.) New York Giants - Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
Change from last mock: 0
Maybe the greatest risk/reward WR in the draft.
Pulse of the Nation (Big Blue View): Could Torry Holt be a Giant in 2009?
30.) Tennessee Titans - Sean Smith, CB, Utah
Change from last mock: 0
I still like the idea fo adding S-Smith's size to the Titans' secondary over their other CB options here.
Pulse of the Nation (Music City Miracles): The MCM crew ran put together their mock, but went with Alphonso Smith (CB, Wake Forest).
31.) Arizona Cardinals - LeSean McCoy, HB, Pittsburgh
Change from last mock: N/A
I changed this one from Chris "Beanie" Wells (HB, Ohio St.) to McCoy with the combine in mind. Depending on who shows better speed & agility (and at this point I'm inclined to go with the undersized McCoy), I think they'd fit better in a two-back system with Hightower.
Pulse of the Nation (Revenge of the Birds): A look at some mocks and who they mocked for the Cards.
32.) Pittsburgh Steelers - Alex Mack, C, California
Change from last mock: 0
As much as I'd like to see Mack fall to us, I don't see the Curtain passing up on Mack to improve their interior O-line.
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Round 2
(33) 1.) Detroit - Max Unger, C, Oregon: ESPN, MTD
Previous picks: 1st rd., #1 - Matthew Stafford (QB, Georgia), #20 - James Laurinaitis (MLB, Ohio St.)
(34) 2.) Kansas City - Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #3 - Aaron Curry (OLB, Wake Forest)
(35) 3.) St. Louis - Johnathan Luigs, C, Arkansas: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #2 - Michael Crabtree (WR, Texas Tech)
(36) 4.) Cleveland - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #5 - Malcolm Jenkins (CB, Ohio St.)
(37) 5.) Seattle - William Moore, S, Missouri: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #4 - Andre Smith (OT, Alabama)
(38) 6.) Cincinnati - Darry Beckwith, MLB, Louisiana State: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #6 - Brian Orakpo (DE, Texas)
(39) 7.) Jacksonville - D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #8 - Jason Smith (OT, Baylor)
(40) 8.) Oakland - Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #7 - Eugene Monroe (OT, Virginia)
(41) 9.) Green Bay - Clay Matthews, OLB, Southern California: MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #9 - Aaron Maybin (DE, Penn St.)
(42) 10.) Buffalo - Paul Kruger, DE, Utah: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #11 - Brandon Pettigrew (TE, Oklahoma St.)
(43) 11.) San Francisco - Larry English, OLB, Northern Illinois: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #10 - Everette Brown (DE, Florida St.)
(44) 12.) Miami (via Washington) - Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina: ESPN
Previous pick: 1st rd., #25 - Hakeem Nicks (WR, North Carolina)
(45) 13.) New York Giants (via New Orleans) - Clint Sintim, OLB, Virginia: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #29 - Kenny Britt (WR, Rutgers)
(46) 14.) Houston - Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama: ESPN
Previous pick: 1st rd., #15 - Michael Johnson (DE, Georgia Tech)
(47) 15.) New England (via San Diego) - Darius Butler, CB, Connecticutt: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #23 - Brian Cushing (OLB, Southern California)
(48) 16.) Denver - Scott McKillop, MLB, Pittsburgh: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #12 - B.J. Raji (DT, Boston College)
(49) 17.) Chicago - Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas St.: ESPN, MTD
*NOTE: I know most people will think this is too low, but I have never been impressed with Freeman outside of his arm strength, which is tops of any QB ni this year's draft.
Previous pick: 1st rd., #18 - Jeremy Maclin (WR, Missouri)
(50) 18.) Tampa Bay - Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #19 - Percy Harvin (WR, Florida)
(51) 19.) Dallas - Patrick Chung, S, Oregon: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: N/A
Pulse of the Nation (Blogging the Boys): A primer on the draft that applies as much to any team in the NFL as it does to the Cowboys. I did a PotN here since the Boys don't have a first round pick.
(52) 20.) New York Jets - Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon: ESPN, MTD
*NOTE: My most underrated CB. His draft stock could explode at the combine.
Previous pick: 1st rd., #17 - Mark Sanchez (QB, Southern California)
(53) 21.) Philadelphia (via Carolina) - Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri: ESPN, MTD
Previous picks: 1st rd., #21 - Knowshon Moreno (RB, Georgia), #28 - Louis Delmas (S, Western Michigan)
(54) 22.) Minnesota - Nate Davis, QB, Ball State: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #22 - Ebon Britton (OT, Arizona)
(55) 23.) Atlanta - Ron Brace, DT, Boston College: MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #24 - Phil Loadholt (OT, Oklahoma)
(56) 24.) Miami - Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee: N/A
Previous picks: 1st rd., #25 - Hakeem Nicks (WR, North Carolina), 2nd rd. #12 (44) - Jamon Meredith (OT, South Carolina)
(57) 25.) Baltimore - Asher Allen, CB, Georgia: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #26 - Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR, Maryland)
(58) 26.) New England - James Casey, TE, Rice: ESPN
Previous picks: 1st rd., #23 - Brian Cushing (OLB, Southern California), 2nd rd. #15 (47) - Darius Butler (CB, Connecticutt)
(59) 27.) Carolina - Fili Moala, DT, Southern California: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: N/A
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(60) 28.) New York Giants - Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, LSU: ESPN
Previous pick: 1st rd., #29 - Kenny Britt (WR, Rutgers), 2nd rd. #13 (45) - Clint Sintim (OLB, Virginia)
(61) 29.) Indianapolis - Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan St.: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #27 - Evander Hood (DT, Missouri)
(62) 30.) Tennessee - Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #30 - Sean Smith (CB, Utah)
(63) 31.) Arizona - Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #31 - LeSean McCoy (RB, Pittsburgh)
(64) 32.) Piitsburgh - Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma: ESPN, MTD
Previous pick: 1st rd., #32 - Alex Mack (C, California)
Well, have at it.
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So, what's your current stance on OT?
Are you thinking of going that route in the third? Unless my eyes missed him, looks like you think William Beatty will be available in the 3rd. I know some think he could go as high as the low 1st round and if he has a good combine, I think he’ll shoot up some more.
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by Tackle Box on Feb 18, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I went with Luigs
was that Mack and Unger are off the board, leaving us with one top-tier center. We could certainly take an OT in the 2nd, or 3rd or etc. I just think the chance to get a top C and then gamble on OT twice in the later rounds is worth it versus taking the OT in the 2nd and gambling on a center. Of course if we clear the cap space for the Ravens’ Brown, I’d be ecstatic to sign him and then draft other holes.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Feb 18, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From a Steeler perspective I can only hope that you’re right. Mack has been a pretty popular pick around BTSC. He could play left guard for us immediately and then step up in the Center role next year.
However, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Dolphins or Titans take Mack either. The Tuna is unhappy with his current center and loves to build around big linemen. And the Titans C is in his late 30’s. At the bottom of the first Mack is an incredible value.
I really don’t see Duke Robinson falling to the bottom of the second (if he’s even still there midway through the second – which I doubt – i think we might trade up for him). While our tackles take a lot of flak for some protection problems, the real area of need is the interior of the line. Get the run game going and Ben won’t have to throw 30 plus times a game. And stop getting stuffed at the goal line and we can run out to protect leads instead of having to come back at the last second.
Good luck to you guys next year! I think the NFC West is going to be stronger all around.
by BluegrassSteeler on Feb 18, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm uncomfortable with Duke where I mocked him
but I’m not a fan of his skills. I really don’t think he’s a good guard, but this is a HORRIBLE draft for guards IMO.
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by 3k on Feb 18, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Falcons
Well, to be honest with you I agree that the signing of Sveitek Atlanta is willing to take on OL projects, I don’t think GM Tom Dimitroff is willing to take on an OL project in the first round.
Your mock still has Tyson Jackson, Peria Jerry, and Clay Matthews still on the board when ATL picks. I’d be pretty pissed to miss Jerry, and wouldn’t be surprised to see a trade up for Cushing if he seems to be falling down that far.
Another consideration is a top-tier TE, but the D needs more work than anything else. I can’t really expect any other pick with #1 than a defensive player.
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by iRonin on Feb 18, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I concur
While I really like Loadholt, Peria Jerry is a guy the Falcons wouldn’t dare pass up if he was still there.
by Dave the Falconer on Feb 20, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peria Jerry doesn't get by Indy
Jerry’s the #2 DT pretty much everywhere and a lot of places have him going in the 10-20 range.
I like Hood though, just not nearly as much as Jerry.
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by shake n bake on Feb 18, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The CW is higher on Jerry than I am.
I think he’s a big bust candidate. But that’s me.
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by 3k on Feb 18, 2009 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not going to argue on that
since the last DT I loved for Indy in the first round was Justin Harrell
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by shake n bake on Feb 18, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff
I think Patrick Chung will be the Jags second round pick though. High character guy, lots of upside, fits a need, etc.
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Feb 18, 2009 9:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also, personally I like Oher more than Jason Smith
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Feb 18, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well
you could put 40 guys in a room and never come to a unanimous decision on the top 4 OTs. Between A-Smith, J-Smith, Oher & Monroe, it’s such a wash. It’s good to see a lack of CW defined though so that we fans can debate the four ad nauseum.
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by 3k on Feb 18, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Mack and Robinson fall to Pittsburgh, I think most fans would be pretty happy.
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by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 18, 2009 9:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would hope so
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 6:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texans
I doubt that they would take Michael Johnson in R1. Athletically, he’s top notch. Too bad he doesn’t play up to his abilities. He probably isn’t going to be taken until R2
by kozanack on Feb 18, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
He has the frame to be an absolute force, and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone took a flier on him in the first
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 6:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great mock
but I do have a few problems with it:
- Right now, I see Maybin as a fringe 1st rounder, so I think if the Packers are going OLB in the 1st, they should go after Brown. Raji would also be a great pick
- Philly has two first rounders, but I find it hard to believe they don’t spend at least one trying to fill the holes that Thomas and Runyan might leave
- I still think Loadhoalt is a reach in the 1st, wherever he goes
- I think it would be a tough decision for the Colts to decide whether they go with Hood or Perry with that pick, but if Perry is on the board, I’d snatch him up
- I love Alphonso Smith and I think it would be a mistake for the Titans to pass up on him
- Do the 49ers really take two 3-4 OLB’s straight?
- I honestly don’t think McKillop can climb his way all the way up to the second. I have him down as a 4th rounder
- I’d be surprised if Freeman fell that far. That being said, I absolutely love Nate Davis and I would hate it if the Bears passed up on him
- I’d be disappointed if the Pats used their 2nd on a TE. They should really focus on defense with their early picks, they still need a ton of help there
- I’d be very surprised to see Robinson fall that far. I have him down as a late 1st/early 2nd
Great overall mock though. Seems very realistic. Although no mock is perfect, this one seemed very well done and well researched. I know how hard doing just the 1st is, so doing a two round mock can be a total crap shoot. I applaud you guys.
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by thecoolest on Feb 18, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
rebuttals
- Raji would be solid, but I don’t know if he’s good for a 3-4. He would be a upgrade at Pickett.
- Sure, Philly could snag an OT in Britton or Loadholt or someone else at 21, but the way the chips fell, I would think they’d have to take Moreno to fill in for aging Westbrook after next season, and Delmas is a top safety who could be Dawkins, Jr.
- Loadholt is a reach, but I had so many OTs coming off the board. Plus, if they do come off this fast, I could see someone reaching for him based on his size alone.
- Perry vs. Hood is going to be one of those war room decisions that each franchise will have to rate out for themselves. Personally, I’m a Hood guy.
- I’m interested in Alphonso’s combine performance.
- That was one of my few best players available picks. I’m really high on EB and I think it’s gives them a nice nucleus to build their front 7 on. Plus, the options at WR don’t seem right to me for the Niners.
- I think the combine could have a huge effect on the McKiller
- I would be too, which is why I included the note. I’m just not amazed at anything by Freeman except his arm strength which is top-notch
- They could, but I see them filling the defense with the later rounds
- I think Duke is one of the most overrated prospects in the draft. Like Freeman, I don’t think he’ll fall that far either, but so many of the OT and C prospects could slide over and fill a G spot which would put him as my 3rd or 4th G, rankings wise.
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 6:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jags will take Chung or Clay Matthews in the second round...
they loved Matthews at the Senior bowl, and watch for Quinn Johnson in the fourth or fifth rounds.
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by silencecs on Feb 19, 2009 2:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You think the Jags will skip over all the CB talent available in rounds 1 & 2? I’d be surprised.
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 6:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do think Chung is too low
and I wonder where Derrick Willimas from Penn State is? Third round material?
I’m ok with the Jags picks here, maybe a little tweaking.
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by Tkopa on Feb 20, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't dis on your Panther pick in the 2nd round
Since its the right position, DT. Not sure about Moala at that point but its intriguing. Good job.
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by Jaxon on Feb 19, 2009 7:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles fan here
I like your pick at 21 of Moreno, even though deep down I know it’s not what the big man will do. Alot of people are projecting Wells, and I think that is even less likely since the guy isn’t a proven pass blocker or catcher.
I think most likely the Eagles will move up in the draft to select an OT. You have OTs going pretty high in this draft, but based on last year I suppose you have too. Andy is really high on Jason Baylor, and I know he is going 8 in in this draft, but if he starts slipping to 12-15, Andy will move up to get him.
I can’t see Delmas at 28. I don’t think he is first round grade, and I really do not think Safety is such a huge weakness that the Eagles need to spend a first round pick to get one that can make an immediate impact. Dawkins will be back next year, and we have another kid, Quinton Demps, who the Eagles are extremely high on. I would expect us to address Safety in day 2, and I think its more likely Andy drafts a pass rusher or an OLB here.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 19, 2009 7:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you trade up, what range are you looking to get to?
And do you think that Demps can fill the hole Dawkins is going to leave when he hangs them up?
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see the Eagles breaking the top 10, mostly because the combination of Picks and guaranteed money just aren’t worth it. Andy rarely stays put, and if OTs start coming off the board, the Eagles will move up 6-8 spots to get the player they like. I am all for drafting a RB and an OT in the first round, but we will see what the big man does. My guess is OT and DL/OLB.
Demps is better in coverage than Dawkins at this point in his Career (who was a liability early in the season covering TEs). Demp’s is going to have to prove himself as a big hitter and sure tackler to be able to replace Dawkins, which is the one part of his game I think he needs to step up. Demps is 5 11 206, while Dawkins is 6 0 210, so size won’t be the issue.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 19, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rams for Curry!
Please not Crabtree! NOOOOOO!
My vote is for Aaron Curry – open-field tackling machine!
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by YankeeDoodleBrit on Feb 19, 2009 7:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong!
No I think we all can agree that the Cardinals will probably take LeSean McCoy. And I’m fine with that.
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by Andrew602 on Feb 19, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t know there was any CW behind the pick. Where have you heard it from?
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just about every mock draft site.
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by Andrew602 on Feb 19, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raji
I’m starting to like Raji more and more for the Rams pick…unless they can find a big body later on in the draft, i.e. someone who’s not an all around DT, but useful for double teams. Ron Brace would be a nice get in the second round
I think we can make bigger strides this season if we address the WR need later on down the line, next season’s draft, or if a nice stop gap falls in our lap. Take care of the defense and the o-line and we can approach .500 this season.
by VanRam on Feb 19, 2009 8:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
if Brace fell to the third round...
that would perfect, but…
by VanRam on Feb 19, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coming over from BucEm
I will comment on our pick alone. I like alot of the other ones and hated some of them. Tampa SHOULD NOT and i think WILL NOT draft Percy Harvin. We all know the knock on Harvin. Not a good WR, not a Running Back and a lot of health problems. I don’t think he is a first-round worthy draft pick. I would also disagree with your assertion that it is WR or DL. I think at this position Tampa will be looking to add depth in numerous positions.
I THINK: We should go with Alphonso Smith from Wake. The guy is a great pro prospect at corner. He can cover, tackle, and is an absolute ball hawk.
We WILL: go with Josh Freeman. There are too many ties to KSU for new HC Morris. Jags wants to add another quarterback to our roster and Freeman has a lot of ‘potential’ (which is the killer word for NFL QB’s). Good Size, Rocket Arm and did I mention he was huge? He does have a terrible INT to TD ratio, but also curbed it every year he was in college (shows consistent hard work and improvement) with completely inept coaching at KSU.
2nd Round: I like the pick of Showne Green but don’t love it. I think this is a great 2nd – 4th round depth draft. However one of our needs is DT. We got absolutely gashed late in the season in run defense. Mainly because we have “Pass rushers” smaller weaker guys on the inside who don’t know how to get after the qb either. Adding Ron Brace (who btw, I have a man crush on him and Raji after watching them destroy my beloved Noles) is an imperative. He clogs the hole, adds strength and fills an immediate need. If we pass him up, I will be livid.
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by UNFNOLE on Feb 19, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Am I missing something? I dont see Chris Wells on the mock anywhere.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 19, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
shocker, I know
I have him going early in the 3rd. I think his injuries and lack of top talent are going to expose themselves in the NFL. I would be surprised if anyone went for him in the 1st.
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think those are reasons for Wells to be an NFL Bust, and I agree, I am not sold he will be anything special at the next level. I still think that he will be a first round pick, and if he starts slipping into the second, I think he will quickly be snatch up.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 19, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Still Think
The Raiders will get Crabtree or trade down for more picks. Eugene, which I thought was the best tackle for a long tome in this draft, won’t be needed for the Raiders because of a player named Mario henderson, our LT. Monroe is a LT and we don’t have a need for him. There is no way we will move Henderson after the season he just had at LT. RT is our concern so the perfect canidates are Andre Smith and Oher. But paying a RT that much money is foolish. So, i think we will trade down.
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by Rayder K on Feb 19, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nooooooo!!!!!!! B.J. Raji?!? Please no!!!!
lol He is the most over hyped guy on the board….
If we don’t land a FA like Derrick Ward, then I think we take Knowshon Moreno with that #12 pick.
Nice mock…I just wish you had B.J. Raji going in the Top 10. :P
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by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yes he is over hyped
he was a strech for the broncos before senior bowl PRACTICES and because of PRACTICE he might go top 10
bye bye DRE
by robbo650 on Feb 19, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
over-hyped?
Are you kidding me? Please back that up with something, because the guy has incredible strength, size and veracity. He had a fantastic senior season followed by great senior bowl practices (which isn’t overrated.) For a guy his size he stays incredibly low and he absolutely dominated in college.
You may be sick of hearing about him, but he is not overhyped. Good DT’s are few and far between and he is a lock to be one.
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by UNFNOLE on Feb 19, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say overhyped, but misunderstood
A lot of people are expecting him to be a do-all DT. I don’t see him working to well in a 4-3 for at least a year. That’s why the two prime candidates for me were GB and DEN.
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will take him time to match the quickness of NFL lineman
and be able to get after the quarterback. He doesn’t have a lot of ‘moves.’ He will be a good run-stuffer, blow up traps and pulling guards and dictate the l-o-s
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by UNFNOLE on Feb 19, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which is exactly why I see him as a good draft pick for a 3-4, and not as useful in a 4-3.
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not many rookie DLineman are
all-pro’s. It’s not like he is going to be behind the learning curve of a DT. He will still be better than an average starter as a rookie.
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by UNFNOLE on Feb 20, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoppin' over from Arrowhead Pride
I think the Curry pick is likely, but I am surprised by Alphonso Smith – I’ll have to research him more, but at first glance he looks like a smaller quicker version of our 2nd rounder last year, Brandon Flowers
Most of us Chiefs fans are comfortable going with our two 2008 picks, Carr and Flowers, at cornerback in 2009.
by PVChiefsfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I watched him play
quite a bit in college and you should be well pleased if he drops to you in the second round. This guy is going to be a pro-bowler within 5 years. He has every tool necessary to succeed in the pros.
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by UNFNOLE on Feb 19, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Seahawks #4 pick
is unlikely to be a guy who is more likely to end up at guard, considering recent statements by GM Ruskell. He said he preferred to draft offensive lineman in later rounds, so the chances of him taking a weak tackle or strong guard at #4? Slim to none.
by JonEBGood on Feb 19, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Have a link to those Ruskell quotes?
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
awesome work 3k
this took some time, no doubt! I can live with the picks you’ve got for Denver. You may be ranking McKillop a little high, but there is no doubt he would be penciled ina sa starting ILB in a 3-4 for Denver. Another thought would be if there are and god 3-4 DEs available at #2 even if we go DT at #1. Also, feel free to have the Rams pass on Luigs so he can fall to Denver. That would work out well, too, though I would prefer it if we got a center in the 3rd round.
In fact, it is surprising that you have all 3 top centers going that early….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 19, 2009 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Mack fits for the Steelers in case they want to slide him over, as does Unger for Detroit. Luigs seems to be truer to the position than those two at the NFL-level, so maybe it was my Rams bias slotting him there.
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by 3k on Feb 19, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it!! :)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 20, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job
Peria Jerry would be a nice fit for the Chargers; I would love Maualuga but don’t quite see him falling that far.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 20, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We agree to Disagree!
I think you have all the corners too highly rated and I don’t expect Andre Smith to go until the 2nd or 3rd. The fans have been tired of whiners and “I’m special” attitudes for a couple of years and I think the coaches and GM’s are finally getting tired of it too. After half of the players in the combine failed not only to meet expectations in workouts (straight line speed), but had weight /height listings wrong (by as much as 3" and 25 lbs), I don’t think Smith will get a pass on not working out. Texans to take Harrell in the 3rd (wishful thinking) and two small school prospects in the 4th.
by Football Friek on Feb 25, 2009 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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