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Rams just don't have it in 'em anymore: Bears 17, Rams 9

The St. Louis Rams dropped another game, their 11th of the season, and a one-win season is now all but inevitable. The Bears had one of the league's worst offenses, a unit as lackluster as the Rams over the last few seasons, and an injury-depleted defense, but they had no problems breaking their four game skid against a banged up and talentless Rams team. It was, once again, a tough week to be a Rams fan.

What can you really say here? There were a few highpoints for the Rams and you could genuinely see that the players were competing with their all. Kyle Boller, Marc Bulger, it doesn't matter, this is the worst offense St. Louis has seen since the days of Tony Banks, who still might be a better option than either of the B boys under center. With the lone exception of Steven Jackson the Rams have no player opponents have to respect or fear on the field, and that makes it even easier to hold the Rams offense in check.

I know we have a range of opinions on what direction the Rams should take in the draft. I am firmly convinced this team needs players who can make a difference on offense, hell, players who can at least play. It's going to stay ugly - no matter who you've got on the other side of the ball - when you run the kind of offense that has scored but a single first-quarter touchdown all season. Steven Jackson should demand a trade if the Rams don't do something big on offense. His legs will fall off.

Speaking of Jackson...truly the man is a hero, a shrugging Atlas who somehow grinds his way through defenses. You can tell the offensive line is not firing on all cylinders in its current configuration. They really peaked when Jason Smith did on the right side. Now, the toll they bear is starting to show and I wonder who'll get injured next. If you believe in any sort of cosmic justice Alex Barron will be on the bench for whatever reason and Jason Smith will be at LT. There's a cruel irony in the fact that Alex Barron has been so healthy through his career. Does this guy even think about football when he plays? If Bulger and Barron are even in camp next year, someone in authority has to be held accountable. 

I'm so pissed off. Every Sunday. I can't believe people even still come by this site right now. Mercy! We keep playing and its only (mostly) guys who the Rams genuinely do need beyond this trip through hell that keep getting hurt. Ugh. 

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Van

Its like you vented for me. I no longer feel the need to do so considering the words are already there.

by CaliRamMan on Dec 6, 2009 4:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone see Spags

take his headseat off [during end of last series for Rams] and have a few ‘words’ w/Shumur? I wonder what he said, especially considering the horrible play calling. Even the announcers knew what plays were going to be called. Pathetic. Hopefully we can bring a more experienced OC to town.
Boller had too many throws either late or not on target. He had a few good thorws, but for the most part he did nothing that would justify the Rams bringing him back next year.
Barron needs to go, period. The sad thing is he has skill, but no concentration or personal accountability.
Little should come back for a limited role. He can still be usefill IMO.
We need a true #1 WR, or a better QB. Quinn shows promise, but nothing that would make me think the Browns will keep him. Still think he could be coached into what we need.

by RamsFan1979 on Dec 6, 2009 5:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1 on shurmur

time and time again, i was willing to give the guy a break with his play calling because of the guys he had to work with and the situation he was in. not anymore. at the end of the game (before the drive), FOX put up a stat that just baffled me. to that point, boller had one 20+ yard pass ATTEMPT in the game. not completion, but one attempt. that’s insane. if the OC is too scared to call those plays, what does that tell the rest of your unit. also, on the final drive, the play calls were predictable and disgusting.

also, boller sucked. period. SIX drives started in bears’ territory and we netted 6 points on those drives. he engineered the team to go 1-12 on third down and threw a costly, inexcusable interception at the worst possible time. bring back bulger….

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 6, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

SHURMUR MUST GO!!!!

How many teams consistently throw 1 yard passes on 3rd and 13? We never even try to throw the ball beyond the first down marker. This is ridiculous. It’s time to put a real offensive mind in charge of the offense and let Null have a shot at the QB job. It can’t possibly be any worse than it is now. Today was a new low.

by andyrose on Dec 6, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wtf...

…I know you’re pissed but for crying out loud Bulger was NOT there. I can’t stand this either, but it’s low and frankly irresponsible to be mad at the guy RIGHT now, especially after he had his two best games before he went down. With all the injuries we have, especially at WR, it’s no wonder we suck on offense.

This team will turn this around, but the patience with this new staff has to remain. If Spags hasn’t broken, and his ass is actually on the line, then we owe it to them to support them till they get the players they need.

Go RAMS! I can still say this with pride and faith that they will right the ship in the near years. We knew this season would be tough, but it was also necessary.

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Dec 6, 2009 5:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

None in my mind either. Because we would have at least gone deep a few times like we did against the Saints.

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Dec 6, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i know, i know

Bulger at least could pull out the occasional game, but he was/is done. I’m jsut pointing out the big moves that need to happen this offseason. we don’t have a QB who can make anything happen. The receivers might be fine with some seasoning, but the need for a #1 is clear.

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by VanRam on Dec 6, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bulger would have pulled out today's game

but your point is valid about the quarterbacking situation. in all honesty i wouldn’t mind seeing bulger come back next year, but you and me both know that simply just isn’t going to happen.

that being said, i firmly believe in this receiving unit. with robinson among others back next year, i’m less worried about that situation, especially with gibson’s and amendola’s emergence. the need for a true #1 is there, but the receivers weren’t the problem today.

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 6, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the thing is

i don’t think Bulger has enough left in him to come back another year, not as a starter.

I’m optimistic about the receivers too, but they need to stay healthy and none of them seem to be playmakers

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by VanRam on Dec 6, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We need to stop talking about Bulger.

He’s going to retire.

I can’t say exactly how I know this, since I don’t know exactly who reads this, but my “source” (and it is a bit of a game of telephone…) is close to his situation (real close) and he said Bulger is not even confident he can make a comeback.

This injury hasn’t been honestly reported. This isn’t a 4 to 6 week injury. He probably won’t walk for months on it. Bottom line…it’s a drastic injury and he knows it. The recovery is long (real long) and he’s already talking about retiring.

Bulger is done.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 6, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying you are Marc Bulger?

I just checked two game threads and you said nothing during them. Could this be because you were playing in the game?
Assuming you are not Marc Bulger, how confident are you in this source?

Can't think of a good sig

by Carneros on Dec 6, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm about 90% confident.

Actually, I’m 100% confident in the source, but I didn’t hear it directly from the source. I’m the 3rd person down the list. So, I’m working in a little room for error.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 6, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm intrigued by this

Can you say anything about your source? Is he/she a friend of Spags, is he/she Spags, is he/she a family member of Bulger? I know you probably won’t tell me but I am very curious.

Can't think of a good sig

by Carneros on Dec 6, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No. No. No.

You’re closest with the “family member”. While not a family member, it’s someone close to Bulger who has very confidential information.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 6, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good enough for me

While I probably shouldn’t believe most people who have fake names on the internet with big news like this, I learned my lesson in the Chris Duncan Drama of 2009, that those nameless sources can be reliable.

Can't think of a good sig

by Carneros on Dec 6, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was awesome.

Hardcore Legend knocked that one out of the park.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 6, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

that sucks for Bulger. after this last injury of his i figured that he was done as a Ram but hoped given time could do the same as Warner is doing right now. That being said i think we need to go after a QB like Koleb, Carr or Qinn. and after seeing that Texas v Nebraska game, have to believe, if we get the chance, we pick up Suh. lastly something absolutely has to be done with the offensive play calling.

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Dec 6, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bulger was never given the time

that Warner got.

People often forget it took 3 or 4 seasons away from the Rams for Warner to get his shit together.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe you about Bulger,,,

After the last 3 years – why even try to comeback? Also, in addition to the leg injury, how many shoulder problems and brain scrambling concussions has this guy had? The Rams are not gonna pay him $9.5M. And no other team would come close in $$$. Take the money and run while you’ve still got 1/2 a brain Marc.

by edpjr on Dec 10, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He was traded to the Red Sox for Julio Lugo

The first and ONLY person who had any information on it was Hardcore Legend at Viva El Birdos.

At first, people didn’t know what to think since it wasn’t being reported anywhere. Then the story stated to get legs and was getting a little play later in the morning at the P-D.

I think one reporter was reporting on it giving credit to VEB, but the most was the typical snot-nosed bs of calling it made-up and that it was coming from a nameless twerp in his mother’s basement. Typical stuff.

See, the “real reporters” couldn’t get any information on it at all. But HL, kept at it and then all of a sudden the press release came out and it was 100% accurate.

None of the P-D reporters gave HL the credit for breaking the story that I know of.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not sure

but he had some sort of inside info. He never revealed his sources, but he was spot on with the break.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's rough now...

…but there’s so much time left. This hurts, but we’ve got to take this pain for now. I love what Spags said, that the team can’t get used to losing, because he knows there’s a danger in that happening, but we’ve lost these last 4 games by an average of 7.75 points. Those games include the Cardinals and the New Orleans Saints. We lost our first seven by an average of 20+.

It hurts that we couldn’t beat the Bears/Seahawks. It does, but it’s important to keep things in content. I think The Rams win both of these games if Marc were in there, because he doesn’t turn the ball over and that’s what these last two games came down to, in addition to our O-line injuries/S-Jax’s injury, which is hampering him. I believe we win those games because Marc started clicking with the WRs before he went down. It’s sad that things keep getting in the way of total progress.

Regardless of the QB situation, we have so many other holes to fill. We do. But there’s so much time left, and definitely positives to take away. I know we’re all sick of hearing about “positives,” but we need to be fair to the guys that just came in. They need to have their fair chance at turning around this mess that has developed over the years. I think they have what it takes, but impatience can ruin what we need to be looking for, and that’s signs of moving in the right direction. I think they’re there, and the coming weeks should supply a clearer picture.

They deserve our patience/support, because a lot of these players are guiltless in what has happened here. Danny deserves the support. Donnie. Gibson. S-Jax of course. J. Brown, J. Smith, JL, all those young guys. They’re a huge part of this core that is going to try to right the wrongs of our past, and they’re the guys we need to think of when we get to that point where our frustration gets the best of us. There are good people here that need that time and support.

Have faith that it will happen. This is the right approach. GO RAMS!

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Dec 6, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in context*

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Dec 6, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well said

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by VanRam on Dec 6, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here, Here - agreed

Remember the guys in 1997? 1998? We had some players that became a pillar to our superbowl win. I see the same here.

Here’s my rant:

SHURMER HAS TO GO. PERIOD

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Dec 6, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What really hurts

Is that our defense played very well today. They absolutely dominated the field position battle – as fang said above, we had six drives start in the Bears territory. That’s incredible. Even more incredible is how useless we were, and today, the goat is Shurmur.
  The playcalling has been an issue all season, but today it was the real hook in our backs.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 6, 2009 5:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree and disagree.

At times the d-backs looked lost. I counted at least 4 or 5 times where we had guys not turning around to the ball. Twice, guys got hit in the back of the head.

Our d-backs should have had at least 2 or 3 INTs today.

Then Forte ran for 91 yards. He’s typically lucky to get 91 yards over a two game period.

And then the pressure on Cutler. There was some, but not nearly enough. Cutler is one of the most abused QBs this season and we didn’t get to him nearly enough.

Losing Togs really hurt. He was the only DB out there making things happen.

Nevertheless though, the D did stand tough multiple times when backed up. That is a good sign. Also, Donnie Jones put on a clinic today. Bears fans like to consider Brad Maynard the best punter in the NFL. I’m not sure which is better, but (as sad as this is) today we probably saw the two best punters in the game face off, although Maynard kinda struggled.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 6, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Dec 6, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was me agreeing with 3k

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Dec 6, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't accept our run defense giving up 120+ yards

to such a shitty offense and having DBs run around lost and oblivious to the ball in the air as being called “very good”.

The Bears defense is horrid. Cutler threw at least 3 or 4 balls that were majorly ripe for being picked and, while none were, two actually hit DBs in the back of the head.

I think the goal line stands/a few timely 3 and outs (or close to it) put too much of a silver lining on the performance.

They didn’t get to Cutler (whose been sacked a ton this year) nearly enough and they gave up (or simply gifted) big plays to the Bears that led directly to 10 points.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who in next years draft or free agent QBs do yall see to kick start next season. None that I see that’s better than Bulger right now. I don’t know about yall, but by next year I’m ready to see some wins quick. Unless Philly is willing to make a deal for Kolb , I say keep Bulger , groom 2nd rnd QB (Pike) , grab top free agent WR , and 1st rnd , can anybody say SUUUUH !!!

by RamMan1 on Dec 6, 2009 6:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I sure can...

…I think this D can be dominant with him in the middle.

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on Dec 6, 2009 6:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I would think they

get their QB or not anyone at all for this year. There are a few vet options out there: Kolb, Vick, Quinn, T. Jackson, heck maybe even J. Garcia. Quite a few in the draft, but most of us are betting Spags starts on the other side of the line this year, hopefully w/the first 2 picks. Maybe QB if quality one sitting in the third?
Let’s not forget the FA market. Maybe we get a DE from FA? Wish I was a fly on the wall for some of the conversations behind closed doors at Rams Park. What are they thinking….

by RamsFan1979 on Dec 6, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you can get decent d-line help in the 2nd or later or via free agency

we need young studs for the offense. With such a high pick in the first round, I almost think we have to go for a QB. The offense is only as good as its QB and we need a guy to move forward with.

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by VanRam on Dec 6, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If during the draft we have the chance

to pick Suh or McCoy, it would be a major mistake not to pick in that order. There are better QB options, but IMO not better DT options that are at their caliber. Both will start and make an impact. Difficult to imagine passing on a DT that can make an impact on the DL such as Laurinatis has for the defense and LB’s.

by RamsFan1979 on Dec 6, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"There are better QB options"

Even though i think he’s going to re-up, and I’ve never really been a fan of his, I think Kyle Orton would be a perfect fit in St. Louis.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 6, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I agree

He would be perfect for us. In a perfect world, the Broncos would let him go, and then realize they need a QB, then trade up for our pick to draft a QB, and the we get more picks.

Can't think of a good sig

by Carneros on Dec 6, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit.

I just got a happy feeling….

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 6, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was starving today so the music teacher I work with

gave me a friggin’ Fiber One bar.

never again….

I thought I’d turned into a fucking Roman Candle.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Van, I agree we need a QB

But don’t you think there will be better QB’s available than D Linemen in later rounds?Can’t see passing on Suh.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Dec 6, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cmon man Focus

        We’ve known we needed a QB since the first of the season. We need to answer the QB question outside or the draft though. We won’t save the franchise with whats available in this class, and we can’t afford to compromise value for need. We need to keep scouring other rosters for loose QBs and maybe sign a FA this off-season. We have to take what the draft gives us, and this year it’s defense in the first 2 rounds. We could use D anyway. No reaches in the draft please.

by dbcouver on Dec 7, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like we talk about the draft every day

but what the Rams need the most is never any clearer. I’m still a firm believer in building on the lines, but the league has evolved to the point where if the quarterback can’t make plays, you have no chance of winning.

by blindmouse on Dec 6, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Uber sorry football team!

You’re 100% right Van! The Rams are a decimated, talentless group of also-rans. And, I’m through giving the coaches any solace either. They’re part of the problem. And to the folks that keep saying “we’d have won if only Bulger was in there,” give it up! Bulger is kaput and he couldn’t win even the Washington or Jax games either. He got us 6 wins in the last 45 games. I’m embarrased to be a Rams fan and the whole blasted team, with exception of SJax, should be ashamed to call themselves pros. Yecch!

by edpjr on Dec 6, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i think bulger would have had a better chance of winning

if for no other reason than shurmur wouldn’t call those PA bootlegs.

by loyal2therams on Dec 6, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe...

6/45 = 0.13333 X100% = 13.3% So we’d have about a 13% chance of winning (based on the last three years) with Bulger as opposed to 0% with Boller. Nothing to write home about…

by edpjr on Dec 6, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so in your estimation, all opponents are the same?

ie the saints = the bears = the colts = the lions?

jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 6, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The way the Rams play, yes.

They are totally inconsistent. We get shutout 28-0 or 35-0 by crappy teams like Seattle and SF, but hang tough against the Saints. It makes no difference who the Ram’s have played over the last three years, there’s an 87% chance they lose. In fact the only teams we’ve beaten in three years are; Dallas, New Orleans, Atlanta, SF, Detroit and Washington. Some good. Some bad.

by edpjr on Dec 10, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh....

The sad thing is… the Rams can’t turn it around in a year. It’s gonna be at least another 2 years or so… I want a QB but Suh would be nice too. The Rams need a true #1 WR too. The O-line (when healthy) is gelling real nice.

Van I agree. Shumurs calls are terrible. Draw on 3-11? Stupid. Barron is a chump who doesn’t care and Bulger is done and Boller is just as bad….

The Rams can’t get a break!

But Chris Long looked not half-bad today…

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by AbsolutMoose on Dec 6, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't have to be two years

I know it looks impossible, but the possibility of a real turnaround exists.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 6, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

shrugging atlas?

Van, your football analysis is spot on, but your literary references need some work.

“Atlas Shrugged” is the Ayn Rand manifesto that poses the question — what would happen if Atlas shrugged (i.e., let the world fall off of his shoulders)? To call Jackson a “shrugging Atlas” is to suggest that he is not shouldering the load, which is obviously not what you were going for.

And add me to the Jason Campbell bandwagon if Washington dumps him after this year. He’d be a bargain and would allow us to focus on our many other needs in the draft.

by postrophemo on Dec 6, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've read some mythology too.

Atlas Jax’s main problem is that he doesn’t have a Hercules to relieve him every now and again. I totally disagree about Jason Campbell. We don’t need another losing team’s worthless castoff as our QB. I’d rather have Tony Banks back. Somebody in the Rams organization has got to wake up and realize that QB is the most important position in football. Look at what the winning teams have in common; Manning(s), Brees, Brady, Favre, Rivers, Warner, McNabb, Rothlesberger, Rodgers, etc. We can never make it anywhere with the likes of a Bulger, Boller, Green, Frerotte, Berlin, Null or Campbell as our starter.

by edpjr on Dec 6, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm... you do have a point

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Dec 6, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

worthless castoff?

Obviously, if you think he’s a worthless castoff you wouldn’t want him. I don’t think he is. He’s played at a very high level at times, just not consistently. Maybe he has what it takes to do it on a consistent basis. He was a winner at Auburn, and has won a fair number of games with a constantly shifting supporting cast and no elite receiver (though Santana Moss & Cooley are certainly better than anything we’ve got). But putting him on the same level as the other QBs we’ve had around here is to deny his considerable potential — no way he belongs in the same sentence with any of these guys but Bulger, or Green earlier in his career.

Look at your own list — while many were #1 picks, others were cast off (Brees, Favre, Warner) or passed over (Brady) at some point in their careers.

You’ve also got to recognize the potential downside of drafting a QB #1 — a miss can set your organization back for years.

It’s not a matter of “waking up,” nobody who is running an organization thinks the QB position is unimportant. But Peyton Mannings don’t grow on trees.

by postrophemo on Dec 6, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ummm... you ALSO have a point

But surely you aren’t saying Jason Campbell is in that same league? Nothing against the guy or anything. By the way, I’m in the draft Suh, grab a QB in later rounds camp.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Dec 6, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but

i meant the shrugging more in terms of his do what it takes demeanor, shrugging off the accolades the guy should be getting but can’t because of teh sorry team he plays for.

But you kind of see the situation with SJ and Rand’s book, what if the guy said I’m doin’ it for myself and demanded a trade, talk about throwing the world off your shoulders.

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by VanRam on Dec 6, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

gotcha

I can see your angle now

by postrophemo on Dec 6, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to give him a break on that one

Good to see another litnerd.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Dec 6, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How the raiders have the same amount of talent on offense

and still produce so well? Don’t tell me Gradkowski is way better than Boller.

by loyal2therams on Dec 6, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

what?

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 6, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah.

i just realized today he was in camp under Linehan.

Somehow, I’ve been able to block out certain portions of the Linehan Era and I have absolutely no recollection of it.

It’s probably a positive trait I’ve developed.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

another player who has done better

away from the Rams

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by VanRam on Dec 7, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

another?

there hasn’t been many that I can think of. Most were just bad.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So true.

Nobody jumped to pick up 1/2 the team we released this year….

by edpjr on Dec 10, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they have a better OC

or at least one making calls to win the game.

by RamsFan1979 on Dec 6, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But he is better than Boller……

This station is now the ultimate power in the universe!

by AbsolutMoose on Dec 6, 2009 8:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

after seeing

jason campbell come so close to upseting the saints i think that spags should take a look at what he has to offer.

plain and simple the guy has talent but lacks an oline or big play WR not to mention that the run game has been unconsistant for them as well

by Habte E on Dec 6, 2009 9:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

by the way did anyone hear whats going on with OJ

it looked like he had a concussion

by Habte E on Dec 6, 2009 9:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i think we go Suh

He looked amazing in that Texas game, I think Spags could bring out the best in a guy who is already the best. I been trying to look at QB’s and some of the guys I been thinking about are Troy Smith, Erik Ainge, Kevin Kolb, and Keith Null (just let him play!). Their all younger guys who looked pretty good in college, have the physical tools, and might only be out of the job cause the guys in front are doing well/higher paid. There has to be a qb change, go out and draft or trade or do something.

by kinzav29 on Dec 6, 2009 9:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Erik Ainge is my choice.

I don’t see why he wasn’t drafted higher. Now he’s behind Sanchez and could be had cheaply. I say we get Ainge, trade down 1st round, draft Morgan, Cody, Dan Williams, or best DT/DE available and get an additional 2nd and 4th round pick, and perhaps a decent player/prospect.. Then you an still take another defensive lineman 2nd rounder, but then we can also take Pike 2nd round. So we have three young QBs, in Pike, Ainge, and Null, all competing for a job and also improve our defense.

Can't think of a good sig

by Carneros on Dec 6, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Pike

Is not a starter in the NFL

by njd.aitken on Dec 6, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yet

I watched the Pitt game and he didn’t impress me, but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt since he is fairly highly touted. His arm strength is a real issue. Every time he had to throw off balance, the ball just floated up there. Pike is not my first choice, I was just kind of spitballing a scenario.

Can't think of a good sig

by Carneros on Dec 6, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good

        Minus Null. I also think McCoy is worthy of a top 3 pick at DT, only if we can’t trade down and miss out on Suh. I like Morgan but I also like McClain outta Bama for a mid first pick. We oughtta try Bomar from the Giants practice squad before the end of the season just to keep busy with the tryout rotation at the bottom of the roster.

by dbcouver on Dec 7, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Fact Is

We Need a Lot. Suh? QB? WR? OLB? OC?

We fill one of these needs with anyone like we did Lauranitis, plus pick up some talent on a couple of the other positions via draft/FA AND get a new OC… and maybe, JUST maybe we win 5-6 games next year against a much weaker schedule.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Dec 6, 2009 10:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'd say we're pretty good a WR

Add Laurent Robinson, Keenan Burton, and Brooks Foster to Donnie Avery, Danny Amendola, Brandon Gibson, Ruvell Martin, and now maybe Jordan Kent and I think there’s plenty of depth, talent, size and hands to build a pretty dependable WR corps with.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, we're loaded

with # 2 and # 3 receivers, but we don’t have a number one. However, I don’t think it will matter if the game plan is to constantly run the ball and throw one yard passes.

by andyrose on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe we need

a true #1; WR by committee. We have enough talent either someone will emerge ahead of the rest or the OC will get the receivers in a position to excel. IE, call plays that will showcase our receivers strengths.

by RamsFan1979 on Dec 7, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agree.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Dec 7, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why do people talk about trading down our #1 pick

like its so easy to do……." I say we trade down our number one get a few 3rd or 4th round picks, really load up on a bunch of unknown college player blah blah blah blah"………..trading down is hard people, if i recall we tried doing that last year and found no takers………..as bad as we are personell wise, i think it will take a more experienced coach and GM….if in the off season we dont make aquisitions that really “wow” us then 2010 will look a lot like 2009….what i mean by “wowing” us, i mean players that will make an immediate impact, we need a QB that can make a difference right away, we need a WR that can make a difference right away, and so on……..on the other hand, read my sig

I Want The Rams Back In LA....The More They Lose The More Of A Chance That It Will Happen....Sorry St Louis You Cant Keep A Team(Twice)...Rams Come Home....We'll Be Here For You When You Do

by JordansDad on Dec 6, 2009 10:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If you were referring to me

I usually say “try to trade down”, I know its not easy to do, but we should try. The worst thing that happens is we end up with Gerald McCoy, or a QB, and don’t get any extra picks, and thats not such a bad worst case scenario. We can probably only get 2-4 players that can make a big immediate impact. Our first 2 picks, maybe our 3rd and maybe one or two free agents. There are so many possibilities of ways we could go this offseason, I have a plan that seems like it would work very well in my head, and it seems very achievable, but they will likely go a completely different direction. I really wish I could know there plan or have some say in it.

Can't think of a good sig

by Carneros on Dec 6, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No one said to take a bad deal

    Or to trade down for a few 3rd or 4th rounders. That would be stupid. I don’t recall we tried that last year. As a matter of fact I don’t recall us trying that for quite a while. I recall being told that we’re trying it, but since we’re failing every year at it, we must not be trying hard enough. It’s been done, though. Other teams do it every year. How many 12-13 loss seasons in a row do you want to go through before you start asking for something different. Personally I’m tired of this shit.No one said it’s easy. Rebuilding isn’t easy. theres lots of competition from equally driven teams to come out well on the draft. I f we really had tried, we’d have been a little more successful.
          If you want to know why we want to trade down all you have to do is look at what we need. Better yet, what do we not need? I’ll tell you what we don’t need. What we’ve been doing the last 6 years in the draft is what we don’t need. I want to feel good about a newe front office, but I won’t be able to until I see some real draft day success, including trading down. It’s not that I want lesser picks, but we need more picks. Sure I’d love to have Suh, but what if someone else wants him bad enough to give us a first and a second relatively high pick. Sure, not likely, but I can’t believe how many people aren’t willing to entertain the possibility.

by dbcouver on Dec 7, 2009 7:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I just got home from work and I’m tired of missing these games and I’m really tired of losing. My rant for the month is over

by dbcouver on Dec 7, 2009 7:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course it would make sense to trade down

if we could get a decent deal in the trade. However, how many teams have been able to trade down from one of the top three picks in recent years? Not many, I’d guess. No one wants to take on the cost for a top three pick, especially when they players available there aren’t that much better than the ones in the rest of the first round.

by andyrose on Dec 7, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe what I just read in the paper this morning.

The reporters asked Spags about the idea of running Jackson all the time against 8 and 9 man fronts and not throwing the ball downfield to get the defenses to back off. He defended it and said running Jackson against an 8 or 9 man front gave us our best chance for a big play, since if he gets through all those guys, there is almost no one left to make a tackle. Unbelievable!!! Now we know Shurmur will be here as long as Spags is head coach, since they agree on this stupid strategy. Now we can look forward to another couple of years of being the lowest scoring team in the league.

I think I will probably give up my season tickets after this year if management doesn’t do anything about this.

by andyrose on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You ALWAYS defend your coaches and players.

‘dirty laundry’ is taken care of behind closed doors. If Spags truly believes that is the best way to win… I certainly disagree. But who really knows but Spags himself. Maybe he wants the #1 pick or as high as we can get?1

by RamsFan1979 on Dec 7, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Get a young decent QB and a couple good D-Lineman and it will....

….be hard to believe we were the same 1-15 team of 2009. We have the makings of a decent O-Line especially after Alex Barron is released. We’ll still have SJax. And once our dinged up WR’s are back, they’ll look pretty good. A credible backup for Jackson and a TE would sure help. Gado, Darby and McMichael gotta go. Lauranitis needs a buddy on the outside too. Anyway, just a handful or additions and some major extractions might get us to 0.500 next year against a weaker schedule. That is unless Spags and Shurmur are total F-ups.

by edpjr on Dec 10, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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