Scouting the bowls, pt. 3 / Dec. 30th & 31st CFB open thread
by 3k on Dec 30, 2009 4:43 PM CST
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PrintLet's keep plowing - here are your pre-bowl scouting sheets for the final two days of the 2009 calendar year. Note a switch: this cheat sheet lists only prospects for the 2010 draft including underclassmen who have declared. Come bid adieu to '09.
(NOTE: This is currently unfinished, but I wanted to get it out as an open thread for the two games today. Once I finish it, I'll come back and update the last couple games for tomorrow. In case you're not watching, Bowling Green beating Idaho, 14-7, with about 6 minutes to go before the half)
A * denotes prospects who are out due to injury.
Wed., Dec. 30th
Bowling Green v. Idaho
Roady's Humanitarian Bowl (Boise, ID), 4:30pm EST, ESPN
Idaho - where excitement goes to die. I kid, but only partially.
PREDICTION: BG 41 - Idaho 34
BG: Tyler Sheehan, QB (5th-undrafted), Freddie Barnes, WR (5th-7th), Jimmy Scheidler, TE (6th-undrafted), Cody Basler, LB (6th-undrafted), James Schneider, LB (7th-undrafted)
Idaho: Mike Iupati, OG (2nd-3rd)
#22 Arizona v. #20 Nebraska
Pacific Life Holiday Bowl (San Diego, CA), 8:00pm EST, ESPN
From the beautiful beaches of Idaho to the bland, mountainous riverlands of San Diego. Wait, I think that's backwards. Who's writing this shite anyway? Better question. Who's reading it? By the way, two big juniors to keep an eye on in this game. Rob Gronkowski (TE, Arizona) is one of the more highly rated TEs in college; he reminds me of the Steelers' Heath Miller. Someone Rams fans should keep an eye on is Prince Amukamara (CB, Nebraska). His name alone warrants attention, but at 6'1" 200 lbs. and 5 INTs this year, his play has stood out. If he does return for his senior season, it will be interesting to see how he fares without the pressure Suh provides up front.
PREDICTION: Arizona 20 - Nebraska 6
Arizona: Devin Ross, CB (5th-7th), Earl Mitchell, DT (6th-undrafted)
Nebraska: Some guy I've never heard of, DT (1st rd), Larry Asante, S (3rd-5th)
Thu., Dec. 31st
Air Force v. Houston
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl (Ft. Worth, TX), 12:00pm EST, ESPN
Any defense would be a luxury in this game. The National Day of Bowl Games in Texas Not Named the Cotton Bowl starts in Cow Town. And bear in mind, those of you with Case Keenum man crushes, he hasn't declared yet, so he's unlisted. If he does come out after the game, I'd grade him somewhere between the 2nd and 4th rounds FWIW.
PREDICTION: Air Force 38 - Houston 27
Air Force: John Falgout, LB (5th-undrafted)
Houston: Carl Barnett, C (6th-undrafted), Brandon Brinkley, CB (6th-undrafted)
Oklahoma v. Stanford
Brut Sun Bowl (El Paso, TX), 2:00pm EST, CBS
If the combination of Bob Stoops and Jim Harbaugh or the combination of OU's run defense and Toby Gerhart don't excite you, maybe stank-ass cologne and cross-border drug-fueled warfare does. Brut and El Paso - what a combo. Any by the way, if it does, there's a good chance you're being watched. Yes, I mean you....Brian...
PREDICTION: Oklahoma 37 - Stanford 34 (2OT)
Oklahoma: *Sam Bradford, QB (1st-2nd), *Jermaine Gresham, TE (1st-2nd), Trent Williams, OT (1st), Gerald McCoy, DT (1st), Brian Jackson, CB (3rd-4th), Auston English, DE (4th-6th), Chris Brown, RB (4th-7th), Demarcus Granger, DT (5th-undeclared)
Stanford: Toby Gerhart, RB (3rd-4th), Matt Kopa, OT (4th-6th), Ekom Udofia, DT (6th-undrafted), Erik Lorig, DE (6th-undrafted)
Navy v. Missouri
Texas Bowl (Houston, TX), 3:30pm EST, ESPN
Being a member of the Armed Forces, I can honestly say I hate seeing modern military college sports. I hope the Chief of Staff bans all sports at the service schools so I don't have to watch this crap. Seriously. I mean, who even gives a goose's nut about Army-Navy anymore except CBS?
PREDICTION: Navy 10 - Missouri 31
Navy: Not so much.
Missouri: Sean Weatherspoon, OLB (1st-2nd), Danario Alexander, WR (4th-6th), Jaron Baston, DT (4th-7th), Kurt Gregory, G (5th-undrafted), Jared Perry (7th-undrafted)
Minnesota v. Iowa St.
Insight Bowl (Tempe, AZ), 6:00pm EST, NFL Network
Big 10 vs. Big 12? That means big linemen. If you like slow, chunky offenses and deliberate, though slow-footed, defenses, this is your game for the day. Expect heart and effort with a tiny talent sprinkles on top. The NFL Network could have done worse, but not by much.
PREDICTION: Minnesota 17 - Iowa St. 13
Minnesota: *Eric Decker, WR (2nd-3rd), Simoni Lawrence (5th-undrafted)
Iowa St.: Mike Brandtner, P (6th-undrafted), Fred Garrin, OLB (undrafted), Kennard Banks, CB (undrafted)
Virginia Tech v. Tennessee
Chick-Fil-A Bowl (Atlanta, GA), 7:30pm EST, ESPN
The Hokies and Volunteers battle in the final game on New Year's Eve which should be interesting in many, many ways. Virginia Tech had as disappointing a season as anyone which is tough to say for a team that only lost three games, but bear in mind they began the year with championship aspirations. They started the season ranked 7th, but an opening loss to eventual SEC champion Alabama set the tone for a disappointing year that included losses to Georgia Tech and North Carolina. Their recruiting has trailed off recently, so they could certainly use this win to help them in the offseason recriuting wars.
As for Tennessee, they are finishing a very quiet season with a new coach who made no headlines. Those are lies. The Lane Kiffin era kicked off in very entertaining fashion for an impartial observer like myself. Personally, I think he's great for college football and the SEC as long as his wackiness stays in the media (i.e. don't be Mike Leach.) In any case, a defense coordinated by his father Monte and led by standout senior safety Eric Berry looked dominant at times and just very good at others. But Jonathan Crompton makes my eyes hurt. Tennessee would be my sleeper SEC pick next season if they had a QB and if they could keep their younger players from committing felonies in a Prius.
PREDICTION: VT 31 - Tennessee 34 (OT)
VT: Sergio Render, G (3rd-5th), Kam Chancellor, S (4th-5th), Stephan Virgil, CB (5th-undrafted)
Tenn: Eric Berry, S (1st), Dan Williams, DT (1st-2nd), Montario Hardesty, RB (2nd-4th), Chris Scott, OT (4th-7th), Jeff Cottam, TE (7th-undrafted), Jonathan Crompton, ? (HAHAHAHAHHAA)
Whew. The bowls keep rolling with another 5 games on New Year's Day. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get all 5 previewed in time, but I'll try. In any case, enjoy some beverages for 3k (responsibly) on your New Year's Eve and check out some football.
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Iupati is killing the BG front line
and by the way, for Van and his pronunciation-challenged brethren, it’s YOO-POTTY.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
I'm torn on this Idaho/BGU game
While my MAC-fanboy-ness screams for me to root for Bowling Green, I do kinda like Idaho since NIU has played them a few times in the past couple of seasons (losing to the Vandals in Huskie Stadium this year).
Idaho has improved greatly over the past couple of years. As it stands now, it’s 21-14 Idaho in the 3rd and I’m expecting this game to be close the rest of the way.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Getting out of the Sun Belt
does wonders for your program. New Mexico St. and Idaho should be thanking whomever made it happen.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Dec 30, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
No kidding.
There’s been talk the last couple years of another Sun Belt team jumping ship, this time to the MAC. I think the teams I’ve heard most are Middle Tennessee State and Western Kentucky.
But, it’s funny how a move either up or down can improve your program (as long as it isn’t to the Sun Belt, I suppose….).
A couple of years ago, Temple couldn’t win a game. They left the Big East (football only) a couple of years ago for the MAC and have rebounded the program nicely.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
This is truthful.
There were rumors around ’03 that North Texas was going to escape when we won 4 out of 5 conference championships, but we missed our chance. With a new stadium, hopefully we can get back to that level and get out of the Sun Belt.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Dec 30, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Btw, 3k
I think you just about nailed this game.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
wow.
Idaho with a last minute shocker.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Hell of a game!
That was fun to watch. Many thanks to Bowling Green and Idaho for that one. Great finish.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Dec 30, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Who would have thought
that by guessing they’d total 75 points combined, I would have been under…by double digits!
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Dec 30, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Especially when it was still 14-14 in to the 3rd quarter.
Btw, and I don’t really mean to take this into the gutter, but the pants that Erin Andrews is wearing at the Holiday Bowl are giving me uncomfortable thoughts…..
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
No kidding
That LaBron James fellow is also pretty overrated too.
Seriously, wtf?
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
I'm watching ESPN
What channel are you watching?
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
Ahem---er, 3k--
Don’t pretend like you’re asleep and are missing the Pacific Life Bowl. (HeH HeH) check the score—
Poor Arizona
What a poor gameplan.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
3k
What happened to your prospects for the Sun Bowl and Texas Bowl?
They're coming soon
I’ve been crazy busy tonight (for me) or this afternoon (for you guys)
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
I'm glad you have the "flexibility" to spend time with TST......
Not that there’s much anything of importance going on where you are or anything……….
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Wow, this game is not getting any better for Arizona
total domination, I’m only watching now to see how few of yards Nebraska can hold them to.
And to see if Suh can make a splashy play of course.
The announcers said the coaches' game plan
for the Nebraska defensive line was to not commit too early. They were to hold their positions so Arizona couldn’t pull any fast ones, since the coaches didn’t think Arizone had the talent to beat the Nebraska defense straight up. That plus double teaming Suh on almost every play explains why he didn’t do any more than he did. I would say the coaches had it right. Arizone only had 37 yards until deep into the 4th quarter.
He was free to do more against Texas since you can’t sit back against their offense – you have to attack it or they will burn you. It’s still a team game, and Suh was playing for the benefit of the team, doing what the coaches asked him to do.
I know how you feel--
All season long I made those same kind of excuses for Bulger. IMO AZ only had 37 yards because their receivers dropped about 80% of their passes. The AZ defense dropped two for sure INT’s and could have probably had more. AZ beat themselves to pieces time after time. Suh was beat out many times, and out-and-out trashed at some other times. I know that Suh HAS to be better than his showcase game today. He looked flat. Lets keep our fingers crossed!
Gerald McCoy
is the one we should go after……….I think Suh is overrated…….hmm decisions decisions
I Want The Rams Back In LA....The More They Lose The More Of A Chance That It Will Happen....Sorry St Louis You Cant Keep A Team(Twice)...Rams Come Home....We'll Be Here For You When You Do
man, it's too bad
Brian Leonard screwed it up for everyone. Toby Gerhart would be a sure-thing 2nd rounder if he wasn’t such a whitebread.
by mooseknuckles41 on Dec 31, 2009 1:30 AM CST reply actions
Don't blame Leonard.
There’s a long, long, long history that should tell you to NEVER draft a white running back. I’m not big on this sort of “profiling” but when it comes to running backs and cornerbacks, I think you gotta lean one particular direction.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
i'm huge
on this sort of profiling. I should work for TSA. I know that white RBs are as rare as an albino sasquatch, but Leonard being drafted in the early rounds was the nail in the coffin. (Travis Jervey was my favorite player on Madden 96. I got love the WBRB).
by mooseknuckles41 on Dec 31, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Price from UCLA
I am sure that the Rams staff is looking at EVERYONE, however, I saw the UCLA vs Temple and the DT named Price from UCLA looked better than average, maybe a third or fourth round selection (someone might take a second round chance on him) and the DE from UCLA that INT the pass and ran it in looked Ok, I think he is just a Sophmore.
Side note, Brian Leonard is doing fine in Cinncy as a third down back, not the first option. And last time I looked, Cinncy is in the playoffs and we aren’t.
don't be
I don’t expect him to have as good of a combine as other DTs and the position is stacked. If he declares, I would put him somewhere between the late first and mid-second based on my combine expectations.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Dec 31, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I figure him at about #5 DT
Behind Cody and Williams and ahead of Odrick and Austin. Where do you have him?
I'm not big on the kind of rankings promoted by big boards
Instead, I do that for my top tier and then just group following players by tier. So he’s in my second tier, but the combine is going to be huge for those guys.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Dec 31, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Lorenzo Neal
I was on the Fox sports website/NFL/Rams and they had a listing of next year’s free agents Offense and Defense and I was not impressed. A lot of good names that are over the hill. The only name that interest me was Lorenzo Neal and only because it indicated that HE wanted to play. I know we already have a FB and most NFL teams only have one FB but we might be able to have two FBs to block from SJ39.
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