Start Null or not?
Alright, what's the point of overraction Monday without a little Keith Null talk, huh? The St. Louis Rams rookie, third string QB erased (some) memories of his five INT introduction to the NFL last week with what was an all-around solid outing, though not without rookie mistakes, in a near-win against the Houston Texans.
For the second week in a row, the young man from a little school in West Texas showed the poise and composure that had everyone talking last week. Null completed 18 of 27 passes for 173 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. Nothing special, but Null did throw one more TD than Brett Favre and had better stats than Tom Brady. As far as the playcalling goes, the Rams did use more three and four receiver sets for the experienced spread QB compared to last week. And offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur had his rookie QB airing out, taking shots down the field too. Last week, Null averaged 3.5 yards per pass; this week it was 5.0 yards per pass. It wasn't the best QB performance for the 2009 Rams - that was Bulger's outing against the Saints back in week 10 - but in a season where good QB outings have been few and far between, Null's game does grade out as one of the better performances we have seen from a QB this season. (Just going by QB rating, Null's 81.2 was the second best for a Rams QB playing a complete game this season; Bulger had a 93.5 against NO).
One digression: I feel a little bad for Null or any QB. The Rams are so talent starved every single mistake gets amplified because they just can't overcome those errors.
So, that makes Null the next Kurt Warner by default? Absolutely not. Ryan Leaf's former protege has a long way to go before he earns the title of anything other than fill-in. However, he is the team's best option at QB at this point in the season, and should start the last two games.
Why not Boller? We've had five games of Boller's six year career. We know what he is capable of when he is under center. Maybe he's less likely to muff a snap because he's at least used to taking them directly, but at least he can go through his progressions and find a receiver...even though that receiver will probably drop the pass. Null seems to be working better with the team around him than Boller.
What about "beating him down" a la JaMarcus Russell, as PD columnist and sometime Rams watcher Jeff Gordon suggests? Ridiculous. Sacks weren't Russell's biggest problem; Russell was Russell's biggest problem...that and being part of the Raiders. Null, whether he pans out or not and he could very well not, at least has the passion and committment to keep pouring every ounce of effort into it. His follow up to a 5 interception proves that.
It sounds like the Rams do plan to start Null over the season's final two weeks, which will go a long way toward determining how he fits into the plans for 2010. Whether he winds up back on the third string or not, Null is the only Rams QB to see the field this season that actually does figure into the plans for 2010.
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Ain't we a strange bunch---
We have a young strong QB that did better than a number of top veteran QB’s in the league and we are discussing whether we even want to keep him or not, much less start him. Phew!!
Josh Brown
does have a pretty good passer rating….
I feel like most of us here want Null developed, and tough games played, but still want to lose to make sure we get Suh and don’t have to waste a high pick on a QB.
THIS year's the year. I hope....
or donnie jones
he can do the dropkick from anywhere on the field and get us points. Screw the wild cat, we got the dropkick formation. “Believe in Donnie” the St Louis Rams story.
by keeperskillz24 on Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions
Maybe they should make a movie to compete with "The Blind Side"
“Donnie, Danny and Richie”
The heart wrenching tale of how an underrated punter (Jones) and often over looked return specialist and WR (Amendola) give an entire city a purpose on Sundays, while a lackluster offensive lineman (Incognito) belches and spits on the entire team, and is eventually released.
Drama / rated PG-13
Starring Donnie Jones as ’Donnie", danny Amendola as “Danny”, Steve Spagnuolo as “Spags”, Richie Incognito as “Dipshit”
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Dec 21, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well put Van
I couldn’t agree with you more. The thing that must be kept in perspective is that he is a rookie and with that comes rookie mistakes, no matter how dumb they may be. The key that I am looking for “is he progressing as he goes?” I only got to watch about 2/3rds of the game, but I liked what I saw. Especially considering that the O-line was plugged with fill-ins, who did well once they settled down. The beauty is that Null has a very accurate arm and he has been going through his progressions better than most rookies do. There were several dropped passes that should have been caught. You can start to see that he is getting comfortable with Gibson and especially Avery. There was one play where he decided to air it out to Avery after he blew by Dunta Robinson…just a little too far, but give it time and that may be a money combination.
I already know what Boller is capable of, and am not interested in seeing him show me that he has hit his ceilling. At least with Null there are many unknowns and I love the fact that the kid has the most important quality of a QB…a short memory after a mistake. QB’s that dwell on mistakes too long often have a hard time finishing off games. We don’t have time to waste on dwelling on mistakes. Recognize the mistake. Learn from it so that it doesn’t happen again and then move on because the team still needs you behind Center.
Last year's draft...
there was a lot of criticism that came from the TST faithful after last years draft. How would the Rams draft grade out now? I defended the Rams draft than, and it’s looking better now.
Jason Smith when healthy has looked very good.
JL looks like a future multi pro bowler
Bradley Fletcher/Fletcher Bradley was also looking very strong prior to injury (story of 09 Rams)
Keith Null-looking very respectable as a rookie QB that was drafted very late
Dorrell Scot-contributing nicely as a rookie this year.
In hindsight I think anyone could argue we could have a had a better draft, but looking back I think the Rams did a nice job of finding talent. Lets hope the 2010 draft can bring even more productive NFL talent. Looks like Suh will be ours, and thats a good start!!
Look at the last draftees we passed up
There was a lot of highly rated draftees Spags passed on that have contributed little to their teams. I think our Draft was really a pretty good one.
Let's not get too confident in Nully IF we were to win our last two games...
As I mentioned in another post, neither the Cards nor the 49ers really have anything to play for now except pride. The Cards are the NFC West Champs and they gotta remember how Otogwe pounded Warner’s head into the turf a few weeks back resulting in a 2-week concussion issue. Also, why would they want to risk getting Bouldin, Fitzgerald or Breaston hurt now that they’ve clinched? The 49ers gotta be bitterly disappointed that they’re out of the playoff picture after sweeping Arizona this year. That absurd loss the Sheattle and the last second comeback by Brett Favre did them in. It’s gonna be tough for even Singletary to motivate them now. So, IF we win either of these two games I’d consider it no more important than a pre-season type win, except that it could cost us Suh in the draft…
The last two games
are more important to me to win than most of our other games. Gimme two wins and I’ll gladly give Suh back to the Draft. I choose to play to win!! GO RAMS!!
So winning two meaningless games and going 3-13 is more important to you than getting the best talent in the 2010 draft?
i.e. a player who could anchor our D-Line for a decade or more. Your thought process makes no sense whatsoever to me.
I don't agree
I don’t think I could ever accept a team that wouldn’t play to win, every play, every Sunday. Any thing less just leaves a bad smell around here. I can accept a hard fought loss if it was a 110% from the team. Screw the Draft if the heart isn’t there.
So you can't accept the many teams that have won the Super Bowl by resting players for a couple weeks after clinching the division?
I don’t think the Rams could beat the Cards or 49ers on our best day anyway. But it’ll be a meaninglessand costly victory if, say, we beat the Cards 2nd string players just to lose the #1 pick in the draft.
Resting players or losing games
If the Rams were in a position to win both of the last two games without using some of the starters, ok. But we are not in that position. We need to pound from every direction we can muster to win. Use every advantage, no compromise. Never give in, Never give up, Never give out. GO RAMS!!!
Keith Null
Has all the intangibles of a great QB in the making, size 6.4 220, Quick release, leadership qualities,accurate passer.
Both these guys will be backups at best.
The Rams starting QB next year will very likely be one of these four guys: Vick, Quinn, Campbell or Kolb.
Agree with half your list: Quinn or Kolb, but I'd give Null a chance till he proves unworthy
Thomas W is right, Nully’s shown all the intangibles of a great QB in the making and his size/strength is right there.
Is Quinn that much better than Null? I don’t think we know that after only Null’s 2nd game. Quinn’s had some terrible games too. He’s had a lot more game time to mature with also, so it’s tough to compare when they’re at different stages of development. I like Quinn though, I think he’s on his way to be a very good QB one day.
Null needs to improve with these last 2 games, and I’m not talking about W’s. Reading coverages, feel for the oncoming rush while in the pocket, those kinds of things are far and away more important than a rookie getting W’s on an injury depleted Rams team.
Now, if he doesn’t do well then maybe we can put him back on the shelf and think about who will really be the guy. I wouldn’t be unhappy with Quinn or Kolb, really.
by CoachConnors on Dec 22, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Spags and his wizards will let Null play if Boller's back healthy.
Go figure that one out. Frankly, I’m starting to have some concerns about Spagnuolo. Also, I’m scared to death about this brain injury stuff I’ve been hearing about Jason Smith. First decent 1st round pick in years and he may be finished before he got started. That scenario would be disastrous, especially since Alex Barron has got to get the hell outta Dodge…
yeah
this boller guy is done. The experiment went horribly wrong and I think he has no future. Null on the other hand is a rookie and has a future in the NFL because we aren’t sure of his capabilities. Boller on the other hand we are 100% sure of.
by keeperskillz24 on Dec 22, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
CoachConnors
I actually think Kolb is the best one of that group for our situation.
I think Brady Quinn is severely overrated, and he really struggles with throws over the 10 yd. mark.
I don’t think Vick is the solution for our future. He would hurt our young WR’s development big time. He is flashy and would sell tickets, but he is slowing down.
Jason Campbell is hard to judge considering the guy has been given the crappiest situation to develop in. 3-4 new voices with new styles in as many years. Then again, if you can’t develop with Jim Zorn as your QB coach, then I’m not sure that he will be able to improve a whole lot more than what we have seen.
As for Kolb, he was put in a great situation…Get to learn a new system behind an established QB like McNabb, how to be a pro, get comfortable with the speed of the NFL, and be able to develop without the Phillie pressure of “you must win or die.”
It makes a big difference when a QB can be eased into the starting role (i.e. Arron Rodgers). He even played well when McNabb went down for a couple games.
More importantly, he knows our Offensive system, which would make a seamless transition to our team.
At some point
Spags will need to step forward and say “he’s our guy” about “someone”. But beofre that happens:
1) Needs to see Null the rest of the way
2) The Bulger question mark. Can he play? SHOULD he play? (will Spags consider?)
3) The new kid… doubt we’ll even get a look.
4) Draft someone?
Obviously there are these question marks, but an announcement will have to be made shortly after the final pick is selected (I don’t expect anything will be said until then), not just for US but for the team. We ALL need to know the direction we are going.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I see no reason to play Bulger again
When we have 1) at the top of the priority list.
by CoachConnors on Dec 22, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
but
its better safe then sorry as my mother always says. Especially at the QB position Id rather have 2 good qb’s then one that’s shaky. Keep Null to develop him but dont rely on him he’s much to young and we are probably hurting everyone by doing that. I would like to see Bulger Return because he’s still decent and is a good guy to fall back to if things hit the fan. Plus it would save us from signing someone that is more then likely his skill level. Then Draft either 2nd to third if the right guy comes up.
by keeperskillz24 on Dec 22, 2009 10:15 PM CST reply actions

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