Null and Void
by edpjr on Dec 13, 2009 8:00 PM CST
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Turn out the lights...the party's over. 47-7. The 2009 Rams are worse than a 1st year expansion team. I don't care if it harelips EVERYBODY on TST I'm unloading with both barrels because I'm embarrased for, and disgusted by, my team of 40+ years. As I suspected all year, we have NO credible QB's. Two washed up ones and a never-will-be. One performance of 157 passing yards and 5 INTs was plenty enough for me Keith. There was a reason you didn't get picked until the 6th round, and you ain't no Tom Brady exception. The coaching staff obviously knew you weren't ready, or not skilled enough, to play in the NFL. That's why they held off to the last minute hoping a loser like Boller could start. Next on the list today; the famous hothead Incognito. When are we gonna wise up and realize a leopard can't change its spots? This buffoon is ALWAYS gonna present a danger of suddenly erupting and getting us critical penalties. What if he pulled something like today if we ever got to the playoffs or SB (LOL)? One guy's temper tantrum could wreck a whole season. Take the train Cogs, no, take a rocket outta STL just as fast as possible. And, please, take your buddy Alex Barron with you. Barron must be part Vulcan as he obviously lacks any emotions - at least with regard to playing winning football.
And, now for the defense. Aside from Lauranitis and Butler, you guys are high-school calibre extroidinaire. 2008 1st round pick Chris Long had another whopping 1-tackle game. The rest of the D-Line is either non-existent or should be drawing social security. And, our secondary could be hacked to pieces by the likes of Ryan Leaf.
Hey coaches - you suck! All of you from Spags and Shurmur down to the strength and conditioning guys. You can't call plays and you obviously can't help players develop the skills, endurance, and discipline they need to compete in the NFL. I sure hope you all are really not complete idiots and are just throwing the last few games in order to have a shot at drafting Suh.
Finally, dam* our luck. This team is cursed. The ball always bounces the wrong way or we always get a penalty at a critical time or half our team succumbs to injuries. I'm particularly concerned about a rare bright spot like Jason Smith who seems to have suffered a rather serious brain injury that could be career threatening. Without him, who's going to anchor next year's O-Line? Oh, it makes MY head hurt to think of another season of idiotic play-calling carried out by the Keystone Cops. STL Rams - laughing stock of the NFL for three years running.... And, I've actually paid good $$$ for Direct TV to watch this crap. Ugh!
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Seems to be disappointment and disharmony among the TST faithful
Decided to change the thought process back, huh?
You are actually wrong about the coaches…our Special Teams Coach is brilliant.
I’d still like to see Null in for the rest of the season. Rookie years are tough for QB’s just ask Peyton…
At the very least, I already know Boller sucks. I need Null to prove to me on a bigger sample size, that he is that bad, or the complete oposite.
by CaliRamMan on Dec 13, 2009 8:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes the anger overcomes me...
If you try to be positive regarding this team, you’re immediately hit with another blowout loss. Then, a latent jackass, like Cogs shows his true colors. The 3rd string strong-armed QB you hoped might make a positive difference throws 5 INTs in his debut. Your supposed starting LT for the next decade gets his brains scrambled. AND, after 13 games your coaching seems to be getting worse. My thought process regarding the Rams right now is short-circuited.
completely understandable.
I decided this week to not bring my laptop to watch the game. This way, I could let the anger and pissed-off-ed-ness kind of fade away while I drove home.
More than once I slammed my hand on the table only to have the Bear and Packer fans in the place turn to look, then just go back. Pretty much everyone in the place knows me as the Ram fan (especially after last week). They don’t laugh (I think they feel for me).
It’s definitely frusterating but today is Monday and I’ve got about 575 kindergarten, first graders, and second graders who all want to tell me about God knows what. At this point (espeically with the state of the team) I can’t get too worked up about much this team does. I take it in stride. Try to look for positives and mentally evaluate everything within context. But it is getting tougher each week.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
well put.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
it's hard to find anything positive to say today...
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 13, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions
It's a little early to just dismiss Null
Obviously a terrible day, but certainly some bright spots.
Try using more than one paragraph next time, it’s hard to read your massive block of text.
No its not
Null should never have been drafted. A guy whos living on a whim needs to display without any doubt that he has potential to be better than those who we passed on. He may make it in the NFL someday, but this team can’t afford to be passing on the kind of talent we passed on to get Null. Nothing personal against Null, but he doesn’t fricking belong here. He’s not our only problem, hell he didn’t do that bad, but his presense illustrates a bigger problem. Every decision that is made with regard to this team needs to be absolutely scrutinized until we’re inning again. This one was questionable at BEST, from the beginning. Future stars drafted in the 6th round or later show signs of greatness by now. He’s had opportunity. I’m not here to just slam Null though.
Patience has run it’s course with me as well. Shitcan everyone on the team who sleeps well tonite. Incognito showing a temper? I can’t say I’m wrong with that. I probably would have gotten booted out of this game. Were fricking 1-12, and Incognito is not why. No pride is why. No improvement, no self-respect, no intelligence, you name it. I expect effort though, no more excuses.
I'm tired of getting our asses kicked too
but…
he (Null) doesn’t fricking belong here.
Then where does he belong? On New Orleans? On Minnesota? On some other team with zero question marks?
You said he may make it in the NFL but he doesn’t belong on the Rams (even when you say he “didn’t do that bad”). That’s ridiculous.
Also…
Future stars drafted in the 6th round or later show signs of greatness by now.
Really? Every single one of them? Because I would think Kurt Warner and Tom Brady would be proof that that’s a bullshit statement pulled completely out of your ass.
He’s had opportunity.
When? Yesterday? That’s it? So, I guess you would have cut Peyton Manning after one game when he threw 3 INTs? Or would you have waited until the team was 0-4 and Manning had thrown 10 INTs? Or maybe after the season when Manning threw 28 INTs?
Now when you want to question effort, I can listen to you. But this BS about Null is dumb. I guess Kyle Boller belongs here on a team that is full of 1st and 2nd year receivers, a young, rebuilt line, and a ton of rookies and other young guys because the roster had to be purged of the bile that existed before Spags and Devaney took over, yet Keith Null has worn out his welcome.
Well then excuse me when I actually got excited to see him not only throw more than one ball over 10 yards, but also him arguing with the refs over bullshit offensive pass interference calls and a non call where Jackson got tackled before the ball arrived.
I don’t mind being upset over the losses but this knee-jerk reactionary BS is childish.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Knee jerk reaction?? BS
I’ve been saying all year long Null doesn’t belong here. He belongs slinging burgers at a Mcdonalds. You thibnk He’s another Kurt Warner? Whos pulling Bullshit outta there ass now. When I said hes not that bad, I meant hes not our biggest problem. We obviously have problems all along both sides of the line.
If you get excited watching a farm club QB throw the ball over ten yards, you’re easily entertained. Any one of a dozen different guys that we passed on could have done that.
I’m not just reacting to 1 game. I’m pissed of that it’s come to this. I suppose you think comparisons to Brady and Manning are realistic.
Null doesn’t belong here because we shouldn’t have drafted him.
Future stars who have been drafted before in the 6th round have shown something worth getting them into the rotation before now. The fact that Null hasn’t beaten out Boller for the #2 QB, is a reflection on the choice that was made last April, more so than Nulls performance to date. I never expected him to be a #2, THAT is my problem with this whole thing.
The opportunity that hes had is that all year long he could have done something to change his detractors minds. Are you saying the coaching staff isn’t allowing that? Someone has to take responsibility for this failure.
When you have a need you fill it. It hasn’t been done. Therefore i question the efort of those with the responsibility of doing so. I don’t just do that as a result of this game. I’ve been doing it all year.
you really don't know a whole lot about football, do you?
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 14, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
i have neither the time nor the motivation to do the research for a well thought out response
but:
I’m not just reacting to 1 game
yes you are.
Null doesn’t belong here because we shouldn’t have drafted him
you’re basing this off one game? like tackle box said before, the colts would have dumped peyton manning if they made these types of conclusions after one game.
Future stars who have been drafted before in the 6th round have shown something worth getting them into the rotation before now
really? i really don’t think so.
The opportunity that hes had is that all year long he could have done something to change his detractors minds
just simply not true. that’s all i have to say to that.
When you have a need you fill it. It hasn’t been done
rams believed bulger was the answer this year. you may have disagreed at the time, but they really thought he could do the job. hell, some people think he can still do that job next year. i wouldn’t put it past him.
Therefore i question the efort of those with the responsibility of doing so
why don’t we let this regime have a whole year under their belts before drawing conclusions, shall we?
I don’t just do that as a result of this game
yes you did.
I’ve been doing it all year.
yes, you’ve been offering your knee jerk reactions for 13 weeks running now. congratulations!
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 14, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
You sure told me
Maybe I should be more like you. Is there any room in Tackleboxes ass for a second resident.
i've had with people like you
just had it.
you’re an idiot, that is all. good night.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 15, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
Keith Null is another Kurt Warner.
Apparently reading is not a strong suit for you because I’d love for you to cut and paste in your next comment where I said that.
So, the only thing in this comment that I found worth really responding to was this…
Someone has to take responsibility for this failure.
That’s easy.
John Shaw. Jay Zygmunt. Mike Martz. Scott Linehan.
There’s your fall guys and every single one of them took the fall.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Maybe not word for word
I would think Kurt Warner and Tom Brady would be proof that that’s a bullshit statement pulled completely out of your ass.
But this looks like a comparison to me. then again reading is not a strong suit for me.
I like that
Yeah its hard to blame this regime, when you clean house starting with the top down, hard times are to be expected.
Whole new administration, entirely new coaching staff and schemes, and then take 40% of the roster and cut it, including two Pro-bowlers. I can’t blame any of these new guys for that. It would not be fair nor realistic. I am not going to use them as scape-goats!
Clifton Ryan played pretty well.
at least we’re discovering who has potential on the team as we wind down the season.
But to be honest,
our cleaning house this offseason is starting to look awful. Where are the veterans who can consistently produce, even if at just an average level. The coaching staff is inexperienced and has looked unprepared for every injury and obstacle. we may have lost the lions game if it weren’t for the fake field goal.
Our 2008 veterans that got cut were lousy, lousy...
Pisa is on IR with the Bears. Pace has played dreadfully for them. Holt has been much less than a success in Jacksonville – last I checked he had no TD’s. Trent Green retired. A couple other ex-Rams played in the UFL. To my knowledge, no other team picked up the likes of Chavous, Fakhir, Klop, Berlin, Looker, Pittman, etc. Our offseason cuts were no loss. Sadly, it’s beginning to look like the coaches from 2007-2008 could call better plays….
And a fake punt was our big play today.
Null clearly is not ready for NFL play at this point, but I don’t know that you can condemn him forever based on today. He threw some nice passes, including the touchdown to McMichael. He still has a lot to learn about reading defenses, not staring down receivers, etc., but I don’t think it’s time to send him to Lower Slobovia quite yet.
He looked fine at times
and terrible at other times. Most of his picks were throwing it right to the defender. The first one was on the refs. Jackson got tackled when he was releasing the throw and the guy behind him picked it. And maybe that set the tone for the others, but they were pretty ugly. I don’t want to give up on him, I kind of want to see him again next week, but wouldn’t be too upset if I didn’t get to.
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When the alternative is Kyle Boller
I WILL get upset if I don’t see Null next week.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
And out of curiosity,
Are you still sticking with your Bulger’s careers over story, because everything else I here doesn’t sound that way?
Can't think of a good sig
I think Tackle's absolutely right about Bulger...
And, if he doesn’t have sense enough to retire his beaten body and scrambled brain, he won’t a Ram anyway at $9.5M. Stick a fork in him. And, he’s not gonna make a Warner type comeback with another team cause he was never in Kurt’s league to start with.
he would take a pay cut to remain with the club.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 14, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
eh
all this matt holliday talk has me way too much into baseball mode.
sorry, team.
jd is legend for Cardinals' closer 2010!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 14, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
yup.
but I have no idea why they haven’t IR’d him though.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
What does that say about Boller then?
He’s been nearly bad as Null.
I mean, the Rams have no receivers, they have no offensive offline, basically nothing except Jackson, and he was hurt today.
Seriously, he was throwing to people named Gibson, Fells, and Amenola. Someone who doesn’t follow the Rams closely would be asking “Who?”
See how no-name our WRs are....
DiscoJer can’t even spell one of ’ems name……….
All kidding aside, I’m getting kind of tired of this whole, “if I’ve never heard of them, then they must not be any good” BS. I think if you watch them play, you can see talent. Are they inexperienced? Hell yes. But just because they aren’t household names doesn’t mean they can’t play.
You’d think after the first couple of games when we watched Laurent Robinson play, we’d have figured this out. But I guess not.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I watched the Bears game this weekend,
I think their receivers may be worse. They would consistently break route only to have Cutler throw the ball right where they were supposed to be. And thank goodness we didn’t trade away two first rounders plus another starting QB just to cripple the team. They are going to need some luck to pick up decent receivers in the 2nd and later rounds.
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
When your number one wide receiver is Devin Hester
you’ve got problems.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Null had 2 days
to practice w/the first team. Being a rookie that isn’t too terribly long to become acclimated. It’s still one game and not enough to evaluate; let him finish the season then we can see if he improves or implodes to the pressure. Let’s look at the bright side, at least we’re not paying him Cassel money for that performance…anyone see his numbers?! 1 less INT & no TD. Ha!
The more I see the WR’s in action, the more I change my mind. We do have some talent, but we need a #1 that’s not a rookie.
I supported Incog earlier this year, but now I agree he should go. Not that the single penalty hurt us, but the fact he continually can’t control himself makes him a liability.
You have made it plainly clear you loathe Long, but next year is his make or break year IMO. I might end up on your wagon if he doesn’t improve. I think he’s too slow off the ball and out of position [yeah, increase his weight & move him to DT next year is what I’m saying], but that’s just MO. We need quickness on the ends. I’m sure Spags is waiting his time to bring the guys he wants in, or at least head into that direction, this off season.
The worst part about being a Ram fan the last few years is I look forward to the draft and preseason, then a few games into the year the process cycles back thru… look forward to the draft and preseason, then a few games…..
I used to like it when I didn't even worry about the draft...
….cause we were picking in the #27,28, 29,30,31,or 32 spots. :-)
I do not loathe Chris Long, but...
….by every measure he has so far been a disappointment. I used to watch Howie play excellent ball and I was hoping Jr. would follow in his footsteps. I just can’t stand the thought of a #2 pick making 1-2 tackles per game. Here’s a big strong guy who’s supposed to be quick that NEVER requires a double team and sometimes the opponents get away with blocking him with a TE. He just can’t seem to find the ball whether the QB or a RB has got it. The same goes for our previous 1st round pick; Adam Carriker. And, he’s perennially injured too. The folks that drafted these guys thought they were going to anchor one heckuva D-Line. Whatta pipe-dream.
.."we need a #1 that’s not a rookie"
L Rob isn’t a rookie, and I know a lot of folks didn’t consider him a #1, but I think had he stayed healthy he would’ve showed he’s better than Avery at this point.
Next year Avery will be somewhat seasoned and L Rob will return healthy, Gibson will have a year under his belt and there you’ll have your non-rookie WR’s.
by CoachConnors on Dec 16, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
From what I read
Howie only had 5.5 sacks total in his first two years. He did become an outstanding player, but it took him two years to learn his trade. I agree with the statement that next year is his make or break year. Right now I don’t put the odds of becoming a big success very high, because he does have the problems mentioned, but we need to give him the same amount of time it took his Daddy to get it going.
Bullshit
Some of you know nothing. Just nothing.
When you consider the guy is completely unaccustomed to being under center, but still showed great poise (yes, great) and his mechanics weren’t half bad either………
and when you consider the Jets raded up to #5 to get a guy who also had a % Int day this year…..Null showed a lot better than expected.
The reading of defenses will come. The list of great QB’s who had rough starts is loooooong. It took Bradshaw years of big INT numbers before he developed into one of the greatest tyhe game has ever seen, and he had 5 INT days too. Just one example, as I said, the list is long.
The constant foolish knee jerk reactions is just growing tiresome. For Christ’s sake learn about quarterbacks and their development before you make a judgement about Null. Writing things like “You suck Null, You don’t belong here Null” just puts your ignorance on display.
by CoachConnors on Dec 15, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Should Say: when you consider the Jets TRADED up to #5 to get a guy who also had a "5" INT day this year
by CoachConnors on Dec 15, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree with you guys who like Null
And I’m ignorant. I either take that crap or prolong a tired argument. I guess I’ll just take that crap for now. As long as Null is here, he should be getting time. But I will believe he belongs here when I see it. I don’t like losing but I never blamed Null. We have questions all over, I point out what I don’t like and I don’t know anything, I’m ignorant or I’m just pulling shit outta my ass. You and others may find this hard to believe but your not as much the foremost authority on our problems as you would have us all believe.
From now on maybe I should just say whatever you all think is acceptable and leave it at that. God forbid I disagree with you on anything. I do not seek your approval so don’t think I’m tooo disappointed but these last few comments are the kind I’d much rather hear in person than on line.
No one has a problem with you not liking Null
It’s how you are coming to the conclusion which isn’t valid. You’re using 1 game when he had 2 days to prepare with the “starting” unit (a starting unit that isn’t any good by the way) and you label him worthless.
That’s the issue.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
That's it
It’s not credible to declare this rookie doesn’t belong on this team, or the NFL, after the limited chance he’s been given. I have to think that’s obvious.
Absolutely no one is sold on Null as the savior. But I’m just as sure that no one can make a judgement on a rookie QB after such limited practice reps and limited live game snaps. Not with all the evidence we have of great players struggling in the beginning.
And DB, in your heart you know that’s true. You know we haven’t seen enough to make that determination. If you throw out every player that struggles, you end up with the Warner’s of the world playing for everyone else.
This team needs to find a legit young QB to run the team. If last year’s rookie pick doesn’t belong on the field, trying out for the job, who does?
by CoachConnors on Dec 16, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
I can think of 5 guys off the top of my head whom I would have chosen first
Of course none of them may have made it either. I know no one thought Null was a savior. he was an experiment. I agree with experimentation especially in the 6th and 7th rounds but what about Harrell? Did we decide against him because he was from a system?
Chase Holbrook? Tall, cannon arm and accurate
Hunter Cantwell? He did pretty well in the college skills competition.
Rudy Carpenter seemed to thrive under pressure at Arizona State. He kicked ass in his Sophomore year in the Pac-10.
David Johnson from Tulsa? Yeah you could say his competition was compromised and he was from a system, but not all system QBs are bad in the NFL. By the way, couldn’t arena football be considered as much a system style as anything that collegiate football has to offer?
Even Nate Longshore, whom worked under the same guy whos responsible for developing Aaron Rogers.
Bottom line is Null wouldn’t have made my top 10 QBs left at that point in the draft and the decision has come to be more important than I think the current brain trust thought it would be, to pick him.
When I say it was forseeable that the 3rd string QB may end up with the ball, I was referring to the fragility of our already porous OL. I may not have done a good job of expressing my frustration with this whole situation but, it’s not Null whom i blame. He needs the ball now. We need to give it to him and let him develop in a cocoon of the best protection we can give him. But we should have picked someone else, IMHO. Or we should have done something earlier in the season to prevent this. Brought in Free agents or other teams practice squad guys to audition or something. Nothing is unacceptable, at least to me. And you can’t blame the previous regime for anything I’ve mentioned here. Yes I blame them for the overall suckiness of the team but the period of their accountability is over and I want to see better out of this regime than what I perceive to be a slow reaction to, as I said earlier, a forseeable problem.
I am not going to comment further on this whole situation, I know I’ve well overstayed my welcome on it, so I will move on. Let the name calling and other bashing commence.
After seeing him play this weekend, you still would not take him?
You would still draft those other guys instead? Or was that just what you were thinking back then at the time of the draft?
I got the impression you would still opt to give up Null and have one of those guys, and I really am surprised that anyone would say that after how he handled himself.
I don’t know what you expect from that 6th round pick, but if you think you’d get much more from the guys you listed…I think that’s just asking a lot out of a rookie. Since we haven’t seen any of them in starting action (let alone multiple games) its pretty tough to make that call on their behalf, but I think Null is clearly ahead of the game when it comes to demeanor and leadership.
Most draft picks can’t really be judged until 3 years after draft day, so it’s probably all moot anyway
by CoachConnors on Dec 17, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we're gonna get another looksee at Null this weekend...
…with a piecemeal O-line and an injured SJax. But, heck, I want us to lose out now in order to get Suh. What good’s a meaningless victory at this point? We’re 1-12. The only team that I craved we beat after things went south was Sheattle. And, that didn’t come close to happening.
It is only what I was thinking back then.
I probably like Null a very little bit more now but, I agree, I wouldn’t expect to know for sure from any of them for at least until middle of next year. Some may never make a team. At this level a lot of it is getting the opportunity. We may never know about some of them. You certainly can’t rule anyone out till they have had the opportunity and failed. I didn’t get to see Null this weekend. I never questioned his performance this weekend. I’ve only questioned his presence on the team altogether.
I questioned his presence and performance...
…cause I wouldn’t have drafted him in the 1st place and I didn’t see much to impress me in pre-season. And last week’s game, while only one data point, was a miserable flop IMHO. I’m sure we’ll get more data on Null and others in the next three weeks before we go into a much needed hibernation to draft Suh and acquire Michael Vick.
Well, I can't agree it was a miserable flop
I think he accomplsihed the second most important thing of all – showing presence/confidence/leadership. Themost important thing woud have been to win, but 50% of your NFL starters fail to do that each week, so I am not overly concerned that the rook didn’t get that with a makeshift O-Line in front of him.
I think you are not grading him properly on the most important aspects of his first game’s performance. The prsence he showed was above and beyond what could be expected, and it was enough to give him a solid grade for that first game….far, far from a flop.
INT’s mean absolutely nothing in a rookie QB’s first ever start UNLESS he lets them screw with his head. Which by the looks of his 2nd game, he didn’t.
I don;t know what you’re looking for, but I would say you’re looking in the wrong place. Null showed he can play in this league if he gets the development anyone else would also need. How did you miss that, and come up with “flop”?
by CoachConnors on Dec 21, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
It was the pick in the draft that brought him here
that I have been judging all along. On the day he was drafted, Not Null himself but the pick.
I agree that he could've been had 7th round or later
but he wasn’t and its not like we would have gotten a bigger contributor there anyway. We saw a guy we liked as a possible QB of the future and wanted to make sure we got him, so we took him. So if he might belong here as a 7th rounder or UDFA why wouldn’t he possibly belong here as a 6th rounder? Same league, same game. Its not like we used a first rounder for him. This draft we found guys we wanted and that were attainable and we got them.
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