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Is Jason Campbell an option for the Rams at QB in 2010?

With a bye week, Mondays can be a little tough. I forgot, but it has been a year (or more) since our last bye week. Anyway, we have plenty to talk about, and one of the most engaging conversations in the midst of a 1-7 season (we are on a winning streak) is the future of the St. Louis Rams.

The draft and quarterbacks have been on our minds lately, after watching Marc Bulger fail to live up to even the most modest expectations against the Lions last week (How bad did Hasselbeck look this week against those same Lions too? Not good for Seattle.) The first round of the draft is the most obvious source for a new franchise QB, but what about a young guy with some NFL experience...a guy who needs a change of scenery in a bad way? I present for your consideration - this is not an endorsement, just consideration - the now out of favor Jason Campbell.

Campbell's getting scapegoated in Washington, the lightening rod for a long-mismanaged team. Fair or not, that's made him a lame duck, and a sure-fire entrant into the Spring's free agent derby. Is he worth a shot for the Rams? Let's look a little deeper.

The former Auburn QB was drafted by the Redskins in 2005, a move the team didn't get much praise for after trading up to get him in the first round. He didn't play in '05, but he got into 7 games in '06 and started from there on out for Washington. Take a look at his top line stats from this year.


Passing
G Rating Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD INT Sack YdsL
2009  8 86.5 151 228 66.2 1677 7.4 9 8 25 148

And here are Campbell's stats from '07 and '08:

Season Games Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD INT Sack YdsL Rating
2008 16 315 506 62.3% 3,245 6.4 13 6 38 266 84.3
2007 13 250 417 60.0% 2,700 6.5
12 11 21 110 77.6

 

Improved completion percentages, improved QB ratings...those aren't too be overlooked for a guy who's getting sacked at a rate that only Marc Bulger could appreciate. He also can run a little bit, saving fans from having to see another half-assed slide just short of a first down.

The Washington playcalling has been even more mysterious than our own; talk about a coaching staff hesitant to use the downfield pass. But, in theory, the Redskins and Jim Zorn run a very similar offense to the Rams. Need we bring up that whole coaching tree thing again? Spagnuolo and Offensive Coordinator Pat Shurmur are also highly familiar with Campbell, having seen every season from the QB during their days coaching in the NFC East.

The INT he threw that Tye Hill (d'oh!) returned for a TD went right to the hands of the impressive Fred Davis, who dropped it and gave Hill his ready-made INT.

Concerns I have about Campbell: 1) How does the high sack rate impact his future, 2) He'll turns 29 next season, a year younger than Kyle Boller, is that too old for a rebuilding team, and 3) Is he enough?

To be sure, Campbell's not going to be a sexy acquistion for whoever signs him. Expect grumbling. You have to wonder though if he couldn't step in behind a much improved Rams offensive line and run a somewhat familiar offense. This route frees up the Rams to take a WR or DL with their top pick in the draft. Campbell and Kyle Orton are the biggest, more proven names under-30 on the free agent list of QBs for 2010, so barring a trade, finding a QB via this route only gives the Rams a few options, since they don't need to be concerned with the older names on the list.

Thoughts?

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Is he enough?

No.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

for a team that needs a manager

Maybe he can win a SB if he plays like Trent Dilfer: gets on a team that doesn’t need him to make plays, and he just manages the game and avoids mistakes.

I’m hoping we get a guy who can make plays down the field better than Campbell has shown, since we acquired respectable downfield guys in Avery and Robinson.

I don’t think Campbell is as good as we can get. He may be marginally good enough, but I’m hoping for better. I’m hoping for a playmaker. Even a youing one that needs work.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Sadly, no. At least not yet.

I don’t see anyone I’m sold on as a stop gap while we look for the future, or anyone who can be drafted as the future himself either. Of course it’s also still early in the draft development process too. I’ll probably end wanting a QB in the first 45 picks somewhere which would maake Campbell the guy who is teaching our new draft pick.

I’ve watched Campbell closely and he has reduced his mistakes quite a bit but big plays never came. I think he’s a borderline starter who has a known ceiling. I don’t know that I’d waste time on a player like that that won’t get you to the next level and probably won’t want to tutor a #1 draft pick knowing his time is all but up. Bulger, as expensive as he is, would probably be a better tutor.

Kurt Warner would be ideal in that role. No, not at the price he will command, just saying the temperment and attittude goes well with the skill level and he’d be a great Testaverde kind of QB who could be the best graybeard to bring along a rook. He’s a class act too.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 9, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

If our D continues to improve into next year, and the OL the same, we can break for a little more talent at QB, and a youing one.

by Knoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Campbell

I want nothing to do with him at QB…If he has failed in Washington he will fail with the Rams. I want some young QB we can mold.

by ksmooth on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

brady quinn

he is being wasted in cleveland they are sitting him to keep him from making his incentive bonus since their season is pretty much over.and you know he’s gotta hate mangini that guy’s just an idiot

by simone219 on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Quinn is so young

I am convinced he has not yet demonstrated his ceiling. His potential remains only potential, but he clearly hasn’t had a fair enough time to develop into a known quantity — or quality, whatever. He’s barely played on a crap team who’s #1 WR was more known for his drops than his hands. 3 years from now he may be a whole different player.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 9, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I honestly think

if we were going to go with an option like this, why not just give that wasted year to Kyle Boller. I don’t think Campbell is a franchise QB.

I would rather go with someone in the draft that management believes in.

by Toddius on Nov 9, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

It all depends.

On what you think about this years QB draft class vs. next year’s. At some point, you’re going to have to draft a QB you are serious about whether you sign Jason Campbell or not.

As for Campbell and Orton…..look, I’m not really a big Kyle Orton fan, but I’d much rather have him. He’s figured out how not to lose a game for a team. I’m not saying he’s winning the games, but he is the definition of a “game manager” if I ever saw one.

Anyway, I wouldn’t mind taking a shot with Campbell. Honestly, I don’t know too much about him so I can’t say for sure. I know he did really well in his first year (I think) and has struggled ever since. Why? I don’t know.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

Ummm.. I'm with CoachConnors

Jason Campbell is just a mediocre QB at best. I think we need a playmaker, a fresh new face…

Nothing against Campbell but we may as well keep Bulger if that’s the case. Looks like he’s another tackling dummy we will be “hoping” comes to life.

No thanks.

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Nov 9, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

I'd rather roll the dice and wish upon a star with Jason Campbell than Marc Bulger.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

very possible.

but I know what Bulger is. and if i’m picking between the two, I’ll pick Campbell.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd pick Campbell to do what?

I’m assuming you don’t think he’d be a viable long term answer. So you’d be picking him to….

1 – play relatively mistake free ball for a year while we scour the Earf for the next great young QB? I think he might be had for a 1 year contract, maybe 2.

2 – play for 2 years while we reallocate Bulger’s salary to other positions of need (and continue looking for the QB).

3 – play for 2-3 years and tutor next year’s high draft pick, take him under his wing and bring him along knowing that he finds the bench just as soon as the kid is ready.

I don’t think he’s going to want to do #3. I’m ok with #2, but only if the Rams really can’t find a young QB they want to draft this year. And I’d like to not do #1 if at all possible.

I was so impressed with Vinny Testaverde late in his career when he showed his emotional maturity and attitude by doing #3 for two different teams. Its rare that these guys can really do that, some say they will do whatever the team needs but they aren’t commited to being a quality mentor.

In my perfect world, Leinert plays so well they have to start him and we could get Kurt back to fill that role. He would be the best QB in the entire league for that role with the Rams

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 9, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much

except number 3.

You summed it up when you said guys like Vinny Testaverde are “rare”. They are. They don’t grow on trees. Who in the hell wants to be a mentor in the NFL? Who wants to train their replacement? Not many. And I doubt Warner would want to just come in as a “teacher”. He went in to Arizona with the sole purpose in mind of winning that job. He’s a good guy, but he’s also uber-competitive and believes he can still play at the highest level.

Personally, I wouldn’t want him to come in and feel like he was required to teach the new QB anything. That’s the job of the coaching staff. What I’d want Campbell to do is to know that he had to compete to stay ahead of the new QB. Now, he’d probably get the nod going in to the season since the plan should be to take the young QB along somewhat slowly. But, he’d have to play his ass off to stay ahead.

Campbell really has nothing to lose in this situation. He could either sign on to a situation like this, or he could sign on as a backup and hope to get an opportunity like Kyle Boller got this year. There was no competition between Bulger and Boller, but it was probably the best opportunity Boller had.

If Campbell shows he can be a good QB, then he can parlay that into a bigger contract the next year. He’s not going to cash in this year, so he has to perform his way into a big contract. If he fails, oh well. Nothing really lost since the alternative is Marc Bulger who hasn’t gotten any better this year and makes tons more than Campbell would make next year.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd love to have Warner on a 2 or 3 year contract

I think it’s pretty unlikely so I don’t spend a whole lot of time talking about this idea, but if he came to play out the end of his career it’d be the perfect opportunity for a young QB to learn under. We wouldn’t have to cast Warner in a tutor role, he could play at a high level for a year or two.

I agree it’s the coahces who should be responsible for teaching but the best environment for a young QB has always been to learn behind someone who knows that they’re doing. I think we could have that if we had Warner, and he’d be a great fit in system and philosphy, but the chances of any of that happening are so low, I don’t spend much time dreaming about it. But that is my dream scenario.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 10, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Campbell would also be cheaper than Bulger.

On a side note, Drew Bennet was on ESPN First Take today as a NFL analyst.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

but I don’t think either i the answer is all i’m sayin’

"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi

by VTramsFan on Nov 9, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont think

Denver will let go of orton it seems like he’s doing ok their. Jason i just really don’t know about, I think his legs might help us out but I just never have been that impressed with him. Depending on his price I think he’d be a quick fix while we look for a quarter back develop in the draft. As of right now his stats can’t get any worse then Bulgers.

by keeperskillz24 on Nov 9, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

I say NO to Campbell!

I just don’t think he’s a franchise QB…plus he has been sacked 78 times in the last 2 1/2 seasons…that’s a lot of wear-n-tear on the body and this season is only half over.

ESPN, CBS Sports and NFL.com all have Jason Campbell ranked in 17th place, at least for now at the end of Week 9.

RK – PLAYER – TEAM – ATT – COMP – PCT – YDS – YDS/A – LONG – TD – INT – SACK – RATE – YDS/G

17 – Jason Campbell – WAS – 228 – 151 – 66.2 – 1677 – 7.36 – 59 – 9 8 – 25 – 86.5 – 210

IMO why go with what I would consider a ‘mediocre’ QB when there will be plenty of skilled QBs in the 2010 Draft. Some will even fall to the 2nd round. If the Rams are going to rebuild, then do it right and get a young franchise QB in next years draft. I also believe there will be some very skilled WRs and DLs in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft. Remember Leonard Little wasn’t drafted until the 3rd round in 1998 and look how he’s turned out. Pretty damn good for a 3rd round DE.

Go Rams!

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s

by Nbr1RamFan on Nov 9, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Who are the "plenty of skilled QBs in the 2010 draft"?

It’s a serious question. All of the top guys have at least one flaw that could very well keep them from succeeding in the NFL.

Btw, who’s arguing that Jason Campbell is a francise QB?

Look, I’m not advocating for Jason Campbell, quite the contrary. But, I’m asking, if you look at the draft and you don’t necessarily see someone whom you can trust giving 70 million dollars to, then why wouldn’t you consider it? Drafting a QB for the sake of drafting a QB is not a smart move.

Plus, if you’re planning on waiting until the 3rd or 4th round to draft that francise QB, then you’re pretty much playing Russian roulette with Steven Jackson’s career. Because if you wait until the 3rd round and get Dan Lefevour (as much as I love the dude) he’s got a much better chance of being a failure in the NLF than have much if any success. Well, then you just crapped at least 2 years of Jackson’s career down the drain.

Signing Campbell is not a bad move whether whether you decide to draft a QB in 2010 or not. You’re going to need someone there who can play the position. Not everyone is Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan and just step right on the field on day one (btw, both of those guys were 1st round picks).

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll tell you why...

First, what do you think Campbell is going to cost us? Plenty! Free agency is the time when teams spend far too much money on a lot of ‘not really great’ players because the team needs them and they are in short supply.

Second, they keep saying the Rams are rebuilding with youth…Campbell will be 28 before years end. Now that’s not exactly old BUT it’s not young either…he’ll be 2 years shy of 30 in December.

Third, have you watched Campbell play? I see nothing even remotely ‘great’ about him…he’s mediocre.

And last, but not least, after 4 years at Auburn he had career totals of 45 TDs with 24 interceptions…that’s more than 2 interceptions for ever TD and since he first started playing in the NFL in 2006 he’s had 30 interceptions in 43 games. I don’t know but I don’t call that being very good.

To me Campbell is just not the answer. I would rather go with drafting a QB next spring.

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s

by Nbr1RamFan on Nov 9, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I presume you meant 2 TD's per INT?

I understand where you’re coming from with the desire to draft a franchise QB next year. But take a look at the situatons Ryan and Flacco walked into. Both have numerous crutches to lean on.

Lets face it… those guys are rare and the Ravens weren’t sold on starting Flacco all through the preseason. Sending a rookie out on the Rams next season will be like throwing him under the bus. There’s alot to be said for having a guy out there with some experience to try to overcome the adversity that is surely going to face the Rams QB next season.

Now I’m not saying that I believe that guy should be Campbell, but it would be remiss of Spags et al not to condiser it. Boller is also a possibility. He’s capable of playing relativly mistake free but has questionmarks hanging over him. Can he stand in there and make a play or does he hear footsteps too soon and fold like he did in Baltimore?

by IrishRamsFan on Nov 10, 2009 7:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Suh a lot

        But we need to stick to our guns and get a first rate QB

by dbcouver on Nov 9, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

I live in VA

and know how bad he Campell is i watch just about all the games though i’m not a fan.
i saw the Rams game and against a not perfect secondary there were no TD’s every fan of the Redskins i know don’t want him at all.
i said in this post that all these QB’s won’t be picked round one so take Suh then a QB

Touchdown St.Louis Rams Won the SuperBowl

by WaZuP cReAtOr on Nov 9, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

FUCK SHURMUR AND CAMPBELL

Well draft a QB no thanks

by james535 on Nov 9, 2009 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

Flag on the play.

Unnecessary roughness.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 9, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus, I have no idea what he's trying to say.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

easy on the language

sorry to be to the church lady, but got keep it PG in this theatre.

Turf Show Times

by Ryan Van Bibber on Nov 9, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Thumbs down on Campbell...

…and, at the risk of starting mayhem again on TST, Michael Vick wants out of Philly. We’re supposed to be building a running team. Am I the only person here that thinks SJax and Vick in the same backfield might strike fear into the hearts of most teams’ Defenses?

by edpjr on Nov 9, 2009 6:41 PM CST reply actions  

Vick doesn't seem to be any better of a passer then Bulger is

Athletic talent or not, he’s shown that he’s incredibly rusty and in no way shape or form ready to take on a starting gig.

I believe in 2010

by Eric Nagel on Nov 9, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell no, I'd like to see him in the horns,

        But I’d like to see a lot of players whom won’t be considiered because of that whole pillar thing.

by dbcouver on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

But where better to get some playing time to get back in the groove than on a 1-7 club that has a 99% chance of dumping their number 1 and 2 QBs next year? Vick is still young and it’s his legs that I’m most interested in, not his arm (although I believe he has a strong arm). It took a few years for Kurt Warner to shed the rust after being crapped on by the Rams, Giants, and, initially, the Cards. I’m not saying Vick is 1/10 the QB (or man) that Kurt Warner is, but why not give the guy a try? We’ve sure tested out Jamie Martin, Gus Frerotte, Trent Green, Brock Berlin, and Kyle Boller with zero success… I think it’s time to gamble.

by edpjr on Nov 9, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions  

Mike Vick is young?

People here are complaining that Jason Campbell is too old and he’s 2 years younger than Vick.

Anyway, the thing Warner had to fall back on was talent. Once he got his stuff together (and healed up physically and mentally) he was still an amazing Quarterback with deadly accuracy. Vick doesn’t have that. Sure he has a strong arm, but that’s not good enough. Lots of guys have strong arms and fail miserably in the NFL. The fact he could run like he could is what got him past his passing short-comings.

Anyway, sure he can still run (I suppose) but he’ll be 30 next year. How long will those legs last? And can he still take the hits in his 30s he could take in his 20s?

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

For some reason I thought Vick was 28...

But some QB’s were great runners and scramblers right up to the end of their careers, e.g. Roger Staubach and Fran Tarkenton. My point is: do we really have much to lose by giving Vick a shot for the next 8 games? We can certainly draft a QB next year – if there’s one worth having…

by edpjr on Nov 10, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Vick will be cut in the offseaon, but not during the season.

Plus, the trade deadline has come and passed, so there’s really no way they could get him for the final 8 games.

Anyway, I guess I just have an issue with putting Mike Vick in the same category as Staubach and Tarkenton. Both of those guys could throw the ball where Vick has shown little ability to be able to rely on that aspect of his game at all.

Also, if you put him and Jax in the backfield together, wouldn’t defenses be able to focus even more on the run with almost no threat (even less than there is now) of the pass?

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 10, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

very good point

never thought of it that way but pretty much you put 2 spys on him let are receivers run into each other its game set match

by keeperskillz24 on Nov 10, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm not for campbell..

but drafting a QB in 2010, and putting the hopes of a team, franchise, city, and Coach’s career on his 21 year old shoulders before the rest of the pieces are in place around him will be a collossal mistake. I’m telling you- we need to draft more defense, a wr/kr..etc.

I don’t want to get Joey Harringtoned, or David Carred, or Akili Smithed, or Cade McNowned, or Heath Schulered, or JeMarcused, Leafed.

by mooseknuckles41 on Nov 9, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions  

How about this senar--sarino---aw crap! How about this idea?

Kull has not yet been culled. We haven’t seen what he can do yet.
Why did we keep Roach? cuz he is going to be a pro bowler.
I’m in favor of the QB decision and other draft stuff being held off until we know something, anything about what we got.

by Knoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

Kull?

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

That's easy for you to say--

I’m still in a battle for my keyboard. and now my keys are stttttttttttttttttttttttttticky, so my IM friends think I st st stutter.

by Knoxfan on Nov 10, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know why

people would be so opposed to Campbell. The ’10 quarterback draft class is going to be extremely overrated.

by blindmouse on Nov 9, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

I tend to agree.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Blindmoose

Ha! check it out—I got me a twofer

I agree that D should be the 1st priority
We don’t dislike Campbell-He just don’t measure up for our needs.

by Knoxfan on Nov 9, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions  

Then who does measure up?

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Jason Campbell a RAM?

Hell NO!
 Why do they need to bring in a loser? They can do much better, He’s another Jamarcus Russell except he has half a brain where Russell has a bean for a brain.
Bulger and Boller are both better than him.

by California Mobile CPR on Nov 9, 2009 9:50 PM CST reply actions  

Bulger and Boller have managed to get this team one win.

I would rather have Campbell on a 2-3 year deal, then keep paying Bulger all that money when it could go towards someone who can actually play their position. We know Boller can’t do anything with this team, so why not try something different at quarterback while rebuilding? Do you want to risk putting Bradford or Clausen on this team when their chances of becoming a bust are higher here? Considering there’s an animal that plays DT for Nebraska in this draft, I will take my chances with him.

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Campbell

I don’t think he is the answer either short or long term.

by victorian on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 PM CST reply actions  

Got a solution then?

S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.

by srdmad on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Draft

I think Locker is the best of the bunch. I like the DT also, if we go d-line before QB.

by victorian on Nov 9, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Jason Campbell=Tony Banks

I Want The Rams Back In LA....The More They Lose The More Of A Chance That It Will Happen....Sorry St Louis You Cant Keep A Team(Twice)...Rams Come Home....We'll Be Here For You When You Do

by JordansDad on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply actions  

LOL, that’s what I was thinking!!

by RamsFan1979 on Nov 10, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

WOW!!!

Did this topic ever start a ton of comments & replys…Way to go troops! That’s all good fodder!

Now, onto the next topic…other than QB what position on our team should be our 1st round draft choice in 2010 and who?

Go Rams!

"We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now." --- Bruce Coslett, New York Jets Head Coach circa 1990s

by Nbr1RamFan on Nov 10, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

OG or SS

I don’t think those are popular choices but …

I’d like a Guard who can pull. I don’t feel like we have high quality there yet. Someone good on his feet who can pass protect too, since I’m allowed to ask for anything.

In building a Defense, I want a DT and a MLB. Then I was a SS next. The SS position is very underrated, they are half LB and half DB, they’ll cover WR’s/TE’s, provide run support and rush the passer on occassion. Most guys like to get a much-hyped Corner first, I would go Strong Safety instead.

Think Ed Reed, Rodney Harrison, Bob Sanders….if you already have your DT and MLB, then you get yourself a stud SS and your defense can hide a lot of crap at other positions.

We have our MLB, and I don’t think we’ll be picking first overall and that may mean Suh is gone. I have not yet assessed the class for Safeties so I can’t offer any names and don’t know if any true talent is even there this year, I’m just talking about a posiiton I think is important to fill.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 10, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Not a great safety class

after Berry and Mays.

You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.

by 3k on Nov 10, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Polamalu for the Steelers, Brian Dawkins for Eagles/Broncos

I forgot to include them in the “think these guys” line. Obviously very important to their teams.
 A great SS elevates his team to Crackin’ status.

I’d be ok with bringing a top flight SS aboard via trade if James Butler doesn’t stay healthy. i think it’s that important.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

You forgot about

Adrian Wilson…. too bad he signed a long term deal w/the Cards cause IMO he’s beast. But you’re right, we need a good safety on this team… good=smart and hard hitting

by RamsFan1979 on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't Butler under contract for quite a while?

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 10, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

3 years left, and Butler is an "OK" player, but I have my concerns

His sprained knee worried me, maybe I’m making too much of it.

Butler is a good not great Safety, you probably can’t put him in the top 10 at his position though and certainly not with any of the playmakers’ names I mentioned. But he was the perfect choice the help this team transition to Spags’ system and he has 2/3 of the position played well, the only real weakness is in deep zone coverage.

I think it’s so important to have a real playmaking duo in your MLB and SS, I think every great D has that tandem, and I don’t think Butler is better than OK. Missing time this year worries me.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 10, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's an interesting story

…on NFL.com about the impact of Safeties so far this year. Lots of good stuff from NFL managers and coaches.

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 12, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Quite a few options IMO:

Brady Quinn, Trent Edwards, Chris Simms, Travaris Jackson…. these are just some names that come to MY mind that could work given the right circumstances. Finding the one that will fit in the system is up to the coaches… which kinda bothers me since I’m not a fan of our OC. Could he find the one that will work in his system?

by RamsFan1979 on Nov 10, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

Kolb

Just throwing it out there. He’d know the system

My heroes had the heart to lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking, I want to be like them

by CoachConnors on Nov 10, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah Kolb would fit too

Simms is locked up for another year… Edwards may not get another chance to start in Buffalo, but I still haven’t been too impressed w/him to have him start in St Lous…. Travaris would be an interesting fit. IMO the best pick is the one with the most upside: Quinn. I think he has what it takes and the Browns would let him go, but for what?!??

by RamsFan1979 on Nov 10, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

All signs point to the Eagles cutting Vick this offseason

with Kolb under contract next year for only $550,000, I highly doubt they’d be looking to dump him too.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Nov 10, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Travaris Jackson??!!!Ha,Ha,

by CGSuddeath on Nov 11, 2009 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Campbell and Vick

I hate to make anyone mad but Vick stinks and he’s on a WCO team so forget it.As for Campbell,This guy has shown absolutely nothing so why would you even consider this clown?

by CGSuddeath on Nov 11, 2009 7:25 AM CST reply actions  

Campbell would be a step in the wrong direction

i have a bunch of redskins fans for freinds and have had the pleasure of watching this kid play. he’s not that good and kind of reminds me of Bulger with his lack of team leadership. a pick up like that would have disaster written all over it. Kolb would be sweet to pick up but whoever the Rams do pick up SJax would have to take him under his wing and teach him some leadership skill!

"SJAX" - The extra strength cleaner that fights off that Stubborn, Stingy Defense

by moy on Nov 11, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

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