Pundit watch: Turn it over again?
by VanRam on Nov 30, 2009 4:48 PM CST
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Yes, yesterday's loss was frustrating, incredibly frustrating for both the St. Louis Rams and the last of the true believers, who mostly congregate around this site. The team had shown some real progress recently, but watching things unfold yesterday memories of that progress were hard to conjure. Is it officially time to proclaim doom? Probably not. That, however, didn't stop some of those needing to fill column inches from hitting the panic button. Let's dive into over reaction Monday's pundit watch.
The award for worst punditry comes from Jeff Gordon in his PD column today. After pointing out the inexperience of the front office and coaching staff, Gordo says this:
I still believe these men are following the proper blueprint...
Ok. But then he then goes on to say this:
Presumably, the next ownership group will put a strong football man at the top of the organizational chart and go from there.
If the franchise doesn’t gain new ownership during the next few months, then the current leadership must learn from this struggle and overhaul the entire operation. Everything should be up for re-evaluation.
What? So after suggesting that the team is on the right path, despite their struggles, he goes on to suggest a complete overhaul. Another overhaul? One year after we got a much needed overhaul to end the Shaw/Zygmunt era? Talk about setting the team back a notch or two.
Let's be honest here. Devaney, Spagnuolo, et al inherited a bad situation. Years of infighting, bad drafts, pools of money tied up in injured and aging players and a general lack of vision left the Rams in complete and total disarray. Nobody could turn a franchise around that fast, not unless they had no salary cap, a gazillion bucks and a handful of first and second round draft picks. And people wonder why the newspaper business isn't long for this world.
Let's get past over reaction Monday, and into rational Tuesday.
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Ummmm
Those comments could have made it into the comics. Was he serious?? You’d think Sundays game was for the NFC crown, 3 years from now, after losing 3 straight NFC Championship games.
Give me a break.
I shouldn’t even have to go on a rant here, but the one thing I will say is, we WERE pretty dinged up Sunday as well as the comments you made Van (about poor drafts, aging injured players etc).
Here we go… the “draft a QB” push is beginning. Hope Spags doesn’t fold and continue on the right course here.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
i don't know
i could see myself in the draft a QB camp this year. still lots of time to consider it though
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Suh
i’m on the fence too……but as much as others are screaming for a QB, you seem IMHO doing the same for SUH…….i want to see more of his game, from what i understand he may not even be the highest rated lineman next april……….i guess all i’m sayin is keep an open mind to both camps at this point……….God knows we need all the help we can get
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I get a little nervous when players
start getting dubbed “the best”.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Honestly, we may not draft SUH anyway
I’m noticing Spags likes these blue collar hungry guy type players… well, correction. He either likes them, OR he had no choice but rely on them this year.
Yea maybe i’m a little ahead of myself or chanting SUH but you can’t help liking what you see especially when our middle gets dry humped week after week.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I think he's more inclined to go the "blue collar" route
with Linebackers.
Anyway, I’m not saying they shouldn’t draft Suh. Quite the contrary actually. As of right now, I’m in the “Draft Suh and then one or two more defensive line players (maybe mix in a receiver there) and then get Dan Lefevour in the 3rd or 4th round” camp.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I was with you till you said Lefevour
But I’m ok with waiting till 3-4 for a QB. I damn sure don’t want to reach for one. I kind of like some of the non-draft solutions being floated around here for QB
If not Lefevour in the 3rd or 4th, then who?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Kind of depends on who falls
I’m not exactly on board with a starter in the 3rd or 4th round unless it happens by accident. Right now I’m liking Pike, Mallett, Locker, Bradford and Jerrod Johnson. Obviously Mallett and Johnson won’t be out this year. Locker, Bradford, and probably Pike will be gone by the 3rd, so i’m thinking FA ideas are worth looking into. My biggest concern is that we reach in the draft for someone whom we haven’t seen go against top notch caliber defenses. I’m almost completely convinced we need DT and DE in the first 2 rounds, as unpopular as that may seem.
Lefevour has a pretty good resume against all kinds of competition.
Plus, he’ll probably have a pretty good match-up in whatever bowl CMU makes it to this year (I was secretly hoping they’d get the chance to beat the turds out of Notre Dame in the Pizza Bowl, but ND chickened out).
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Bradford
Draft Bradford
Our offensive line (barring injury) should be in sync in 2 years. Let Boller (or some FA) muddle thru a 6 and 10 season. By 2011 we could have a run stuffing defense, thanks to Spags uncanny tutelage. And a quarterback for the future.
As far as injuries are concerned, there are no guarantees. But it may be a good idea to put an emphasis on Strength and Conditioning.
by ZamRam on Nov 30, 2009 5:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think if we do draft Bradford
we should trade down first if possible. I don’t think he should be a top 3 pick coming off his injuries. If we draft QB, its looking like Clausen will be our pick. I’m not saying I want him, but he looks like a very likely choice. His toughness (lack of Bradford-like injuries) and skillset, paired with the fact he has played in a West Coast offense for over 3 years. I think our pick will be Suh or Clausen, and, again, while I don’t want this, I’m thinking most likely it will be Clausen.
Can't think of a good sig
Trade down how far?
I don’t think Bradford will last past the middle of the first (at best) so who would trade up from the middle of the 1st to get what?
And is there someone out there who is worth a 1st round swap and maybe something else? Because if you aren’t getting another pick, then why do it?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Yea
those are the problems. Maybe someone will really want a good safety. Maybe someone will want Clausen. I don’t know how this will work out, but it is best for us for it to work out. Although it will be difficult. And trade down to just out of the top 10 or then end of the top 10.
Can't think of a good sig
Maybe the Raiders
will give us all of their picks for our #1. We need to take advantage of this clubs poor decision making because everyone else does. And they was a QB from what am hearing.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
"want"
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I said something like this 6 months ago
And got vilified. You better be prepared to explain yourself.
Would they be dumb enough to trade up to get a meh QB
two years after taking a bad QB?
Possibly……
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Except they could be picking less than 5 picks behinds.
So it would be really dumb, but you never know. I feel bad for Raiders fans. There’s no way to get out from under Al Davis.
Can't think of a good sig
Yup. Nothing is really out of the question with the Raiders.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Every time a blogger quotes Jeff Gordon, a kitten dies.
I hope you’re happy, Van.
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But Jeff Gordon nails it
when he talks about the injuries, and one key injury that really hurt this team: Fletcher Bradley. Most people look at Bradley Fletcher as a key injury, but so many people forget about Fletcher Bradley. Kudos to Gordon for keeping his trained eye fixed keenly on the real problems of the St. Louis Rams.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
you gotta be shitting me....
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
how does that even happen?
I mean, yeah, we know a little bit more about the Rams than the average Jeff, but does he not read the paper that pays him?
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yea.. I mean... that's like totally jacked
But hey, hopefully Shurmer Pat can get more weapons in the draft instead of relying on Jackson Steve and Avery Donnie…
Maybe we’d improve on down first and score more zone red down touches.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 30, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what a douche (sry Van for breaking TST rules)
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
I don't think you broke any rules
and I thought the whole comment above was funny.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Even throwing money
at it doesn’t mean success. Look at Washington. If one of the “Golden College QBs” drop to the 3rd round, OK take him. Sold on Suh and a 2nd round WR.
by johnniewarthawg on Nov 30, 2009 7:38 PM CST reply actions
Or a DB
Or a DE or OLine help..Hell I’ll take anyone who contributes
by johnniewarthawg on Nov 30, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions
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I'm not sure where the community's
allegiances lie with college sports and baseball, but hopefully you all know this is par for the course with the St. Louis media. Take Bernie’s column for instance; at the beginning of the season Bernie defended Spags’ say-nothing interviews and cliches about good effort because Spags took care of business behind closed doors. Now he’s disappointed that Spags isn’t showing piss and vinegar and acting like Mike Singletary.
Yesterday was an embarrassing game, but a banged-up offensive line became decimated; the back-up quarterback was playing his third game in the system; the All-Pro RB was banged up and the team is still carrying Alex Barron. No excuses for how bad the defensive line was, but Bernie and the rest of the goons taking shot at Spags for not working miracles with Leonard Little, Chris Long, Clifton Ryan and Whoever? This is Kevin Slaten-type stuff.
yeah, their tune changes regularly
after awhile Bernie didn’t like the fact that Spags and the Rams did most of their talking behind closed doors.
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It amazes me how people think
this team is good enough (and, more importantly, healthy enough) to show marked improvement every single week without a setback.
And then act completely befuddled when they lay a stinker.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Yeah it is
Bernie’s acting like he just found out Kyle Boller isn’t starting material.
the spagnuolo era...
is so far imo, a resounding success. he cut the dead weight, and drafted/signed decent pieces to work with. spags=obama. he was left a total mess, and is doing the best he can with what he has. but with so many leaks in the boat, it’s hard to sometime lose focus of which leak to plug first.
by mooseknuckles41 on Nov 30, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Stimulus Bill
will solve it all and then we’ll put Carriker on are national health care so he can stick around while not doing anything… Not a comparison of my liking but maybe a Spags=Regan, that dude took out an entire soviet nation with his “we win you lose” approach. Somthing i think is better suit for the rams instead of Apologizing for our country like that one guy who’s in office.
come on man..
everyone knows that Rocky Balboa ended the Cold War. If I can change. And you can change. We can allllllll chaaaaaaaaaange.
by mooseknuckles41 on Dec 1, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
lol
It’s to close to call take your pick.(My favorite Rocky by the way)
by keeperskillz24 on Dec 1, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
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