The twilight of Marc Bugler's career
by VanRam on Nov 3, 2009 3:01 PM CST
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Football Outsiders has their "Quick Read" feature up today, looking back on the individual performances from week 8. The numbers confirmed two things for the St. Louis Rams.
First, Marc Bulger was unable to make much happen against one of the league's worst pass defenses, even with time in the pocket. Few Rams watchers will forget memorable throws in the bottom of the strike zone against the Lions defensive line. Here's what FO said:
If you take Marc Bulger's combined performance from 2007, 2008, and the first half of 2009, and then place it on a 16-game scale, his numbers aren't pretty: 266-of-465 for 2855 yards, 12 touchdowns, and 15 interceptions. They're a dead ringer for Jim Everett's 1996 season in New Orleans: 267-of-464, 2797 yards, 12 touchdowns, and 16 interceptions. Why is that relevant? Mainly because Everett would take 75 more snaps as a professional quarterback after that season. Bulger is just about done, and his inability to produce against an awful pass defense was just a sign that he's part of the problem in St. Louis, not the solution.
Looking back, I don't think the Rams had much choice in keeping Bulger. The cap hit for releasing him would have been huge and left the Rams with lots of dead money. And, there was ample reason to think that with a better OL and a healthy Steven Jackson that Bulger would have been acceptable for a rebuilding team. I think the team and lots of fans underestimated just how talent-depleted our group of WRs were. Had Laurent Robinson not been injured, that might have been a different story, giving Bulger a reliable option and keeping Avery in the deep threat role he's built for.
GM Billy Devaney and the coaching staff made the decision to focus their efforts on the offensive line, and I still think that was the right call, no matter how painful it is to watch Bulger play. I'm a big believer in the theory that teams build success from the lines up, and the Rams had big issues on the OL. Sure, Pace is having a decent season this year, but he couldn't be counted on for much beyond that given his age (look at Seattle's predicament with Walter Jones now). Getting an OL in place and a cornerstone lineman in Jason Smith sets the Rams up well for the 2010 season, when if they need to take a QB in the draft they can because they can put him behind an experienced line.
And on the hero of the game, Steven Jackson, here's what FO said about him:
Jackson had 17 carries on first down, and nine of them were successes, including three first downs and a 25-yard touchdown run that gave the Rams a lead they would not relinquish. He also converted a pair of third-and-1 attempts.
The Rams had 21 first downs through the whole game and ran Jackson on 17 of them. If the Rams are going to win anymore games this season, they'll have to have a liberal dose of Steven Jackson.
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I think losing Laurent...
…was a tragedy. Avery started to play better, but I can’t imagine how much better our passing game would be if it was:
1. Robinson
2. Avery
3. Burton
4. Amendola
5. Gibson?
I think that group might have been respectable. Let’s keep in mind that both Bulger and Avery went out in preseason, as well as the injury to Robinson and Bulger in the regular season. Simply put, these guys haven’t been on the field together that often. Avery can say what he wants, but he wasn’t right until maybe game 3 or 4. Then he got hurt again.
Here’s the thing; Bulger has averaged more yards these last 3 weeks than he did the first two games. I’m not saying we’re going to see ProBowl Marc anytime soon, but lets at least be open to the possibility that sustained health (and continued comfort in the pocket that must seem foreign to Bulger) might just produce an OK season from him the rest of the way. Continuity with receivers is unbelievably important. Despite route running blunders in the Indiana game, he and Keenan Burton seem to be connecting. By the way, that interception by the Lions player was phenomenal. Maybe it was a low throw, but the guy was outstretched and had great concentration. Not to mention the fact that McMichael dropped a TD on the play preceding that(I believe it was on that drive, not sure).
Rah rah rah, none of that happened, but I do remain hopeful that this second half, with good health and continuity, might turn out better than it looks right now. In any case, we do need a QB in the draft. I just hope Bulger plays well enough to allow us to NOT take one in the first half.
Crucify me all you want, but someone has to stand up for our 2nd all-time leading passer. At least for argument’s sake.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
first round*
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I digress - no surprise
Marc Bulger has been our team leader since 2003 when Mike Martz crapped on Kurt Warner too early. At that time we had a SB calibre team. Post 2003, it’s been downhill all the way and Bulger’s inconsistency has been part of the problem. Who cares if he’s 2nd all-time leading passer, isn’t Chrissy Everett number 1? Neither of these guys are good enough to hold Roman Gabriel, Vince Ferragamo or Kurt Warner’s jock strap. Winning games, playoffs, and SB’s are what counts. I’m with Vince Lombardi; “winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”
by edpjr on Nov 3, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
Bulger/the Rams were good enough to win it all in their first full season without Warner, but we had an opportunistic defense that couldn’t come CLOSE to the defense Kurt had when we went to both SuperBowls. That’s why the Panthers beat us that year. Since then, Bulger, Faulk, Jackson, Holt, and Bruce had to consistently haul ass because of the crap defenses we fielded every year. I mean, horrid defenses. If we had middle of the pack defenses throughout the horrible Bulger years as you perceive them, I guarantee we would have been a consistent 10-14 win team every year since 2003-2006. Those years of offense were fantastic, and we made the playoffs in two of those years through the efforts of our offense alone. What happens? Martz gets fired, we have one more great offensive year in ‘06 but the Division was harder that year and our 8-8 record isn’t good enough for the playoffs.
Warner? Please tell me you’ve been a fan
long enough to see the fumbles and picks he was throwing during that stretch. I mean, I have no idea in hell what was wrong with him, but Bulger was playing lights out and Kurt just never got it back. He had ample chances. Say what you want about Marc, but he isn’t COSTING us games with 3-4 interceptions and 1 or 2 fumbles like Kurt was at the time.
Also, it’s unfair to compare Donnie Avery/Keenan Burton to Larry Fitzgerald/Anquan Boldin. Right? Therefore it’s unfair to compare Bulger/Warner, and even still the guy has more picks than Marc. I mean, he had more picks/turnovers this week than Marc had on the year.
Kurt Warner is my hero, always will be, but don’t compare Marc to him given unbelievably different circumstances.
From 2003-2006, we had a Superbowl calibre offense still, which is the only thing Bulger can be held responsible for, and he delivered at record pace. Holt had his best year under Bulger. So did Steven. Isaac Bruce remained a 1000 yard plus receiver under Marc. Kevin Curtis emerged. We ranked in the top 5 or 10 each year because he was playing lights out. Where were our defenses ranked to help the Offense out? 30? 31? It takes 53 to win a Superbowl. So don’t blame Marc for this decline, unless you feel he should have been out there playing defensive back. Blame our drafting, coaching inconsistency, and putrid defenses, as well as the eventual decline of Holt, Bruce, and Bulger behind an equally pathetic offensive line.
I’m sorry but as someone else has said:
QBs get too much of the praise when we win, and too much of the blame when we lose.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 4, 2009 5:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Warner had 7 passes batted down at the line this past Sunday.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 4, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marc had like 3 right?
I don’t know, give us Fitzgerald and he just MIGHT have better numbers…I’d settle for Boldin…
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 4, 2009 7:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Kurt had an awful day against the Panthers
…he’s had one every now and again thruout his whole career. I seem to recall a game when we played the Giants in 2002(?) and Warner had 5 fumbles. But, he seems to get right back up off the ground and throw TD’s with laser-like precision the next 5-6 games in a row.
by edpjr on Nov 4, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As the late Patrick Swayze once said; "opinions vary."
I personally think we lost the divisional playoff game to the Panthers because our offense scored only one TD and settled for 5 FG’s in 5 1/2 quarters of play. We were also moving into FG range in the 2nd OT when Bulger threw a critical INT and the Panthers scored the winning TD on the next series. And, if I remember my Warner years of 1999-2001 correctly, the Rams offense scored over 500 points each season.
by edpjr on Nov 4, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...does your selective memory forget that Bulger...
…led a 4th quarter comeback to tie the game?And that if Martz weren’t inexplicably gunshy, we could’ve won in regulation? I mean, I don’t know if we blatantly ignore the good things he’s done, but my memory remembers that game.
About the Overtime pick, in case you forgot, Ricky Manning wrestled what WAS a completion from the hands of Torry Holt. Not to mention Jeff Wilkins missed a long but makeable FG in overtime.
Back to the point, didn’t the DEFENSE allow a 69 yard bomb to Steve Smith? I still remember Jason Sehorn’s pathetic attempt to tackle him.
That game wasn’t on Bulger. At all.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 4, 2009 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why did we only score 1 TD??? Part of that's got to be on the QB.
by edpjr on Nov 4, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course some of it is...
…I won’t ignore the fact that he threw 2 other picks during regulation. BUT, let’s look at the NFC Championship game in the 1999 playoffs against the Buccaneers. We scored a grand total of 11 points with the most powerful offense ever. 1 touchdown. I guess that was on Warner too right?
But our defense closed them out after we had a great drive with the memorable pass to Ricky Proehl. I still rue the fact that we had the ball at the 20 yard line with almost a minute left, and Martz decides to wind out the clock with our staple of receivers. We were out-rushed by over 100 yards and we still had a chance to win the game because of Bulger, but opportunistic defenses can only go so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9bozZwuEy8&feature=related
Sad footage, that team could have been great.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Warner did have a very tough time against Tampa Bay.
Their defense was outstanding all season long. We were lucky to get away with a close win 11-6 win. We couldn’t even ice the 2-point conversion on our one TD. And then, in the SB, if not for Mike Jones game saving tackle on the last play…who knows??? But the Panthers game in 2003 will always stick in my craw. We were in the red zone so many times and only came away with 1 TD and 5 Jeff Wilkins FG’s. Martz should never have played for a tie at end of regulation. We had time for another shot or two at the endzone and the Panther’s defense was totally exhausted. Martz must have feared a potential fumble or INT. Recall also that both teams missed makeable FG’s in OT. Then when Delhomme hit Steve Smith on the fly, and he promptly faked the worthless Jason Seehorn out of his jock strap for a long TD, I was so enraged that I smashed a $150 collectible that was the nearest thing in reach. Ugh!
by edpjr on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad we agree...
…that was a tough one to stomach. :(
Why Mike? Why get cautious now? It was just so out of character.
Sehorn to me symbolizes what the Rams Defense would become the next few years:
OLD, OVERPAID, SLOW, FUTILE.
The only geyser on the D now is Leonard Little, and he’s the only one worth it who played his ass off over the years. If only he didn’t have so many injuries.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 4, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulgers woes
I think Mark Bulger would be a lot better if he had players around him, he has no recievers, no offensive line, no offensive cordinator, and a coach who sucks. How many of his passes were droped that should have been caught, how many times has he been sacked? Any quarterback in the the NFL would look bad and i mean any. When he had all of the talent around him he was a good. How can a quarterback be any good when he has rookie coach who once again sucks, a offensive corodanator who never has been a offensive corodinator, be able to do any good. And dont start thinking the coach is all that after one win remember its the detroit lions, the bottom line is the coaches they have suck. The rams will never win untill we get a veteran coach who knows how to coach, remember Dick Vermill veteran coach.
by ANTHONY46 on Nov 3, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
-1
Wrong.
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by taiko on Nov 3, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with taiko
There were too many passes on Sunday that were no where near catchable for the receivers. And to try and blame Spags and the line is ludicrous. The o-line played a great game (considering) and Bulger still couldn’t do anything with the extra time to throw. SJ’s performance was proof that the line was a success
by white088 on Nov 3, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our O-Line is just starting to jell...
…don’t forget Bulger was taking some brutal hits in the Seattle/Washington, and ultimately Green Bay games. As a matter of fact, the bizzaro Bulger that has been spoken of here at TST died in the Washington game when he was delivering strikes while taking huge hits (Albert Haynesworth anyone?).
If he can get used to this time, he might have an ok season still, but don’t act like it’s been there the entire season. Btw, the fox commentators were noting that he threw some balls high so no one could get it because some were broken plays. I saw on a long 3rd he threw it over Amendola’s head because even if he’d caught it there were about 3 Lions waiting for him, so they aren’t bad throws from that perspective.
Also, Donnie/McMichael had fun playing defensive back from most of the game, because they sure as hell weren’t trying to catch the ball.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulger vs Bizarro Bulger
Yup. We’ve seen two different Bulgers this season — unfortunately, the last two games have very much in line with this Jim Everett career path. This is the Bulger that we know. Mentally too jumpy to play the position.
The Bizarro Bulger would not have slid on that third down play. He took tacklers on against Seattle. The Bizarro Bulger would pump and wait for the pass rusher to move his hands before throwing. The Bizarro Bulger would move with the pocket to avoid pressure.
In this instance, it’s not really a positive that his sack numbers are down. Against Indianapolis and now Detroit, he was deliberately throwing the ball as quickly as possible to avoid any semblance of pressure. At least against Indy he was facing a couple of pro bowlers.
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by taiko on Nov 3, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
So it’s all about getting uneasy Bulger (who has reason to be uneasy given he suffered ANOTHER injury because of poor blocking) to realize that he has the time now, and then Bizzaro Bulger can come back and have a nice 2nd half of the year, IF his continuity with receivers continues to develop.
Dear Bizzaro Bulger,
We’re finally healthy. We’ve come to the conclusion that we need to protect you, and we think we’ve done that the last couple of games, and while we understand that you may be hesitant to believe that anyone cares about keeping you clean, after what you’ve endured, you’ve GOT to trust us this time. Hang in there buddy. Those guys we call receivers will eventually have to catch the ball for the sake of their own dignity. Hold on a little longer friend, and deliver those lasers we know you can throw.
Sincerely, with love,
The 2009 Rams Offensive Line
Authored by Jason Smith
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. Bulger's fabled accuracy is gone.
Maybe we should let Josh Brown pass more often…
by edpjr on Nov 3, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa...
…I don’t agree that Spagnuolo sucks. As a matter of fact, I love the guy and think that he has a vision for our team, he hasn’t wavered, and most importantly, the team loves him. You can just tell. Our offensive playcalling has been suspect, and we’ve discussed Shurmur extensively. I do agree that Bulger was an elite QB when he had talent around him, but then again this is true in most other cases. The elite QBs in the league? Hmm…
Peyton Manning: Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark
Drew Brees (no elite receivers, but all solid): Devery Henderson, Marques Colston, Jeremy Shockey.
Ben Roethlisberger: Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Heath Miller
Phillip Rivers: Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates
Tom Brady: Randy Moss, Wes Welker
Kurt Warner: Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin
Favre: Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, Bernard Berrian
That’s an assload of Pro-Bowlers catching footballs. Look at how good Schaub looks throwing to Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, and until recently, Owen Daniels (RIP for my Fantasy team). Not to mention Rodgers has Jennings/Driver in Green Bay to make up for his line. That’s a LOOOOOOOOOONG way from:
Donnie Avery, Keenan Burton, and Danny Amendola.
Especially since they’ve missed time throughout the year, and the all important preseason. Look, I’m not saying Bulger isn’t to blame for a lot of this. That slide for the “first down” was pathetic, and he made a couple of bad throws that almost got McMichael killed. I’ll call him out on that. BUT, he does make throws from time to time that make you think he can still do it, and it has been encouraging to see him build chemistry with Burton at least. I’m just hoping they can stay healthy the rest of the season so we can see if it’s really him losing it or if its about him and his receivers not being on the same page yet. This BYE seems to have come at a perfect time.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also disagree
How can a quarterback be any good when he has rookie coach who once again sucks, a offensive corodanator who never has been a offensive corodinator, be able to do any good.
There’s plenty of QB’s that could do that.
I don’t know about the offensive coordinators on these teams, but Petyon Manning, Mark Sanchez is a rookie and is doing okay, Kyle Orton and others that are all doing it with rookie head coaches.
But there are many others who could do it.
The 53 as one have become the 53 that won.
by Carneros on Nov 3, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With respect...
…Jim Caldwell is not the coach of the Indianapolis Colts. Peyton Manning is the coach of the Indianapolis Colts. HE’S teaching Caldwell.
Sanchez has a poorer rating than Bulger, and as a USC student I can tell you, I don’t think he’ll ever be that great. I’ve seen him make so many mistakes with reads, missing wide open targets downfield. I mean, I’ve pretty much watched every relevant game of his career since I follow USC football religiously. Sanchez has benefited from having a stout Defense and good receivers, as well as an all pro O-Line and pro-bowl runningback. I’m not sure it’ll be so rosy when it’s all said and done.
Kyle Orton was already solid in Chicago. I honestly didn’t think it was that big a drop off from him and Cutler. Orton has some nice receivers and a nice defense too, but props to him. He is shutting a lot of mouths.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know their situations aren't all the same
but he was saying that a QB could not succeed with a rookie head coach and OC. That is not true. Anyone can be good with good o-line and receivers.
The 53 as one have become the 53 that won.
by Carneros on Nov 3, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bulger turns out like Jim Everett...
Please let the cameras be rolling when Bulger throws down on Jim Rome.
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by taiko on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
AH Ahahahahah!!
Oh that’s CLASSIC
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lmao...
…I’m really wondering how it hasn’t happened yet. He probably thinks about NOT doing that every time he drops back. But if it DOES happen, I’d love to see him on Rome. Simply because it might be funny to finally see someone that makes Bulger look big.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The decisive factor from Sunday?
He also converted a pair of third-and-1 attempts.
The he, of course, referred to Steven Jackson, not Samkon Gado. Victory!
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 3, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Samkon Gado/Kenneth Darby don't see the field again this season...
…we will win 3-4 more games at least since it’ll mean that Man-Beast is on the field at all times.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We should have Him play D-line too.
We’d be unstoppable.
The 53 as one have become the 53 that won.
by Carneros on Nov 3, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was a bulger supporter
theirs nothing i have seen this season to keep him or kyle boller. This saints game call me a negative nancy but more then likely they’re going to be up at least 3 touch downs. Try Null in the 4th quarter or sooner. Are Running backs besides Steven do not impress me much i think one of them needs to step up or we find a decent one. Because Steven can only take so much abuse i want him to have a long career and by giving him the ball when we aren’t competitors is just wasting him a little. Why keep playing him when we’re 1-7 and we’re down 3 touchdowns limit his touches so we can have a healthy Steven next year.
by keeperskillz24 on Nov 3, 2009 5:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
His 'slid' for an
attempted first down was worse than pathetic. I guess the first down wasn’t important, or was it his lack of wanting to compete? Cause everyone else was competing and would’ve fought for the first down. Is he worried about injury? Then maybe it’s time to leave the game.
The only way Null will get into the game is if he gets practice time these next two weeks. No way are they sending him out there w/out playing with the first unit. It’s a shame they don’t elevate him, but if he’s not ready…
by RamsFan1979 on Nov 3, 2009 5:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It should seem clear by now
that Bulger and Boller are not quality QBs any more. Why doesn’t it make sense to let Null work with the starters some in practice and get him into a couple of games to see what he can do? Do we need to draft a QB next year, or do we have the answer on the roster already? Why not find out this year?
by andyrose on Nov 3, 2009 10:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 Been sayin' that for a few weeks...
But now that we have our win, I think we may get our wish in 4th quarter blowouts (if there are any.. am I being TOO optimistic?)… we’ll see
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 3, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think Null's the answer...
Recall that he barely beat out Brock Berlin for 3rd place. Unless Null has some mysterious “Brady” like qualities that are well hidden and don’t emerge till he starts regularly playing in NFL games, we’re sick puppies at the QB slot. Bulger AND Boller are done. And, it just doesn’t seem fair. At one time we had a young Kurt Warner and Trent Green on the roster. Then it was Warner and a young Marc Bulger. Now it’s two washed up guys and an untested 6th rounder. Meanwhile, a team like Philly has depth like McNabb, Kolb and Vick. Yecch!
by edpjr on Nov 3, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
Play Null and see what he’s got!
by edpjr on Nov 3, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true
look who else got drafted in the 6th round that starts at quarterback now? Mine as well see if one does better then the other. Oh wait our playoff race is too close. Better keep are 2nd all team leader in passing in charge.
by keeperskillz24 on Nov 4, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign a couple new guys now
Go after practice squads of other teams. We need a sacrificial lamb thats both serviceable and won’t cost us too much next year.
by dbcouver on Nov 4, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, unfortunately I know all too well about Tom Brady...
And, I still get a sick feeling sometimes that maybe the “tuck rule” and the 2001 Rams made him the prima donna he is today. If the officials weren’t blind during the snow game playoff against Oakland, NE would’ve been eliminated and never made it to the SB. They didn’t even make the playoffs the next season, so maybe Brady would have disappeared into obscurity. Then, in the SB, even though the Ram’s defense allowed only 13 points, we let Brady get the Pats close enough for a 48 yard FG to win it on the last play. ehhh, now I’m nauseous again. At least Denver seems to know how to routinely beat Brady and Bellichick.
by edpjr on Nov 4, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
routinely beat ? lol it was only one game
by james535 on Nov 4, 2009 4:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey foulmouth....
Since Elway’s retirement, the Broncos are 6-3 versus the Pats including knocking them out of the playoffs 3 years ago. Learn a little football history some time.
by edpjr on Nov 4, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true but god dam you letting a kicker throw the ball,cant we try Null out?
maybe this kid has some thing to show if he can get a chance,and sure he just beat out Brock in pre season but he did make a come back win against the Jets that show some caricter for Null ,dam lets try the kid, i can tell you one thing he will play with more hart then Bulger
by james535 on Nov 4, 2009 4:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
or at least find out something about him. why did we use a 6th rounder on him if we’re not going to see him. Get him some reps in practice with the first team it can’t hurt him. And im tired of the excuses of not putting him in it’ll hurt his development or he might get hurt. He’s a nfl 3rd string quarterback what does he have to lose and what to we have to lose? Hell putting him in will wake him up and want to play harder and study and get a real wake up call. I think for Null’s sake, the fans sake, and the teams sake put him in when we’re being blown out.
by keeperskillz24 on Nov 3, 2009 10:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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