Rams 17, Seahawks 27: Injuries pile on as the Rams take 10th loss
by VanRam on Nov 29, 2009 6:47 PM CST
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First the good news, the St. Louis Rams have the top pick in the draft. The bad news is they lost a game against a bitter rival.
Once again, give Steven Jackson major props. He very nearly missed the game; only in warmups was he cleared to play. As usual, he had a helluva game, running for 89 yards on 23 carries. He started the game, but some of the team's top blockers did not, putting the running game in jeapordy form the start. FB Mike Karney, who has been clearing defensive linemen all season for Jackson, was inactive, as was RT Jason Smith. Things really looked bleak when C Jason Brown left the game with an injury.
It was rough day, and fans were calling for Keith Null to get a shot as the game slipped away from the Rams. That, however, would have been ill-advised as the offensive line struggled all day, even before Brown left the game.
Kyle Boller is Kyle Boller. I mean that in the sense that he is a backup QB reason, and he gave the team a solid effort, getting sacked 4 times and pressured on seemingly every play. Only the best QBs could have overcome those odds, not to mention one who lacks a true blue threat at WR. That said, it should be pretty clear that the Rams need a QB. Soon. Why was he throwing into double coverage? Not dumping the ball when he was getting sacked late in the game also reminded you of why Kyle Boller is not a long term solution. I'm not going to dump on the guy too much though. It would have been nice to see him get that late rushing TD. Like I said above, he is what he is. If the Rams were a more talented, healthier team they might have been able to overcome some of those mistakes, but they are not that talented in several key areas...as if you needed to be reminded.
Of course, their need for a defensive lineman stood out today as well, as the Seahawks gouged them for...oh, lots of yards and two rushing TDs.
Fortunately, it sounds like C Jason Brown should be back in time for next week's game, since he just suffered a sprain and nothing more serious. Not to take too much away from Adam Goldberg, but it's clear how talented Jason Smith is and how much the Rams need him on the field. His move to LT and the unceremonious end to Alex Barron's career in St. Louis can't come soon enough.
Heroes
- James Laurinaitis - his game is not flawless, but it's damn good. Too bad teams are figuring out how to isolate him and take him out of the play. Nice to see the kid pick up a sack.
- Steven Jackson - Is there any question about the man's greatness?
- Danny Amendola - This midseason pickup is looking like another feather in Devaney's cap. He could really do something with a legit #1 WR on the roster...and a better QB.
- O. J. Atogwe - Still got it.
- Alex Barron - Am I too hard on the guy? Seattle got men around him, and he got another stupid penalty that took the Rams from 2nd and 4 to 2nd and 14. He had to hold the DL because he got beat, badly on the play.
- The Defensive Line - Damn this group needs talent. The more I watch, the more I think we need to either draft or sign the best free agent DT we can get. More of the same next year if we don't.
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Dead on!
Surely Barron would be riding the bench for the remainder of his STL career IF there was anyone else available to play. The guy’s a loser and it rubs off on the rest of the squad every week. We have NO credible D-Line. They cannot stop the run and they cannot pressure the passer. None of them. Little and Hall need to call it a career, we need to trade Chris Long for a 4th or 5th round pick, and maybe we can get a 7th for Adjenayu. We basically have to start from scratch with a totally new D-Line and make the most we can out of Ryan, Gibson, Ah You to fill in next year. Furthermore, whether it’s Bulger or Boller, I’m sick and tired of our offense scoring -7 points per game with an INT returned for a TD. That sucks the life right out of the whole team and we’ve not recovered in a game yet. And Avery sure didn’t do dick to try to prevent today’s INT return. Also, some of the coaching decisions never fail to mystify me. What’s with a 1-9 team going for a FG (missed) on 4th and 1 and then trying unsuccessfully to convert a 4th and 4? Excuse me, but I’m pretty mad at my team right now. Injuries be damned. That’s not an excuse to lose. In my mind it’s another indictment of poor coaching/training/conditioning techniques. To lose 10 times in a row to the hated Sea Hawks turns my stomach. I don’t think there’s much chance of us winning another game this year. And, I’m OK with that scenaro, cause if we ever needed the number 1 pick, it’s now. Yecch!
by edpjr on Nov 29, 2009 7:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What could Avery have done to stop him from scoring?
He was being knocked down by the other defender. You might want to watch that play (in the middle of the video) again. I agree we should try and trade for more picks, but we don’t have a lot to trade. I’m not ready to trade Long yet, the only reasonable trade piece we have is Jackson and I don’t want to do that. Maybe we could trade Bulger for a 7th rounder but I doubt it. Also, Dorell Scott looked good today, I’d add him to the D-line we have to build around. With Dorell Scott, Ndamukong Suh, and Clifton Ryan and either Gary Gibson or Adam Carriker in rotationat DT, that is a much better middle of the line than we have now. Especially with Scott getting more experience, I think he will be decent. That should also improve Long, but we still need another DE. We really need to get some big defensive help in the offseason, through free agency and the draft, and we need round off our O-line and receiving corps and find a QB. That is a lot of work to do for Spags and company but if half of that gets done, we will win some games next year.
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by Carneros on Nov 29, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, maybe that INT was all on Boller
He did throw into double coverage. Bulger won’t bring us anything except that we’ll save $9.5M by dumping him. I would NEVER trade SJax. He’s the sole player that keeps us from being a semi-pro team. YES to King Kong Suh! But mark me down for saying Carriker is finished. I said that before he got injured, when was beaten out a starting role in training camp. But now having a bum shoulder and ankle, he’s done. I know it’s unpopular on TST to say so, but I don’t like Chris Long and view him as an expensive bust. Sorry Howie.
by edpjr on Nov 29, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is Boller not on the zeroes list?
Because we expect him to suck?
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 29, 2009 9:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
He literally had no time to throw all day
He had open receivers on several occasions but didn’t have time to see them or if he did, he would have thrown it before they were looking. You need time for things to develop if you are going to make plays. Some things were his fault, i.e. the interceptions and always under throwing deep balls but a lot of it wasn’t his fault, it was the cause of a very injured O-line.
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by Carneros on Nov 29, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My only question is...
…why does that excuse only apply to Boller?
I completely agree mind you, I think Boller had little time all day, and S-Jax only looked at about 80% so he wasn’t getting as many explosive runs.
That said, Boller got a C- from the PD for his 2 interception performance (one of which ended the game pretty much) yet Bulger got a D- for his 2 pick performance in that game.
Neither outcome is either one’s fault, more the result of having to come back after the defense either (A) Allowed Peyton Manning to kick ass (which he does to everyone) or (B) Allowed 170 rush yards to a team that totaled less than 5 rush yards last week.
Still, as I recall, both of MB’s picks we’re because of questionable route running on Keenan Burton’s part, even though both are to blame but it’s natural to turn it over if you’re throwing the ball consistently trying to come back. Boller wasn’t down by that much, it was just a bad throw into double coverage that proved the game breaker, as well as a poorly underthrown ball to Amendola on the second one.
I don’t blame Kyle for the outcome of this game. He could have made better throws/decisions, but it’s clear our DL is the problem. Maybe a good OLB is in order as well. No QB should have to account to 170 yards rushing to the shehawks, 21 point deficits, 450-550 yards allowed, etc.
If it isn’t clear by now that DL should be our addressed position in the first round, as well as 2 of the first 3 picks that we have, then I don’t know what to say. Our DBs were actually fine today, usually tackling to make up for the front seven’s mess, as well as limiting hasselbeck to under 110 yards passing.
Give me Suh or (Gerald) McCoy please! GO RAMS!!!
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 30, 2009 2:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"yet Bulger got a D- for his 2 pick performance...
…in the Indianapolis game." *
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 30, 2009 2:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On a side note..
Any one watch the Pitt vs. Baltimore game? Did Dixon look good?
Football players, like prostitutes, are in the business of ruining their bodies for the pleasure of strangers. ~Merle Kessler
by mlkgandhiv2k on Nov 29, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's in the 3rd quarter
he’s doing pretty well, though they’re not asking him to do much. Mendenhall is getting a ton of carries, and they’re running a lot of screen passes. He’s had a few nice throws downfield (1 huge 1st down called back), but again- they’re not asking him to win the game.
by mooseknuckles41 on Nov 29, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok.
now they’re asking him to win the game.
by mooseknuckles41 on Nov 29, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And he lost it
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by Carneros on Nov 29, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again i am so glad they don’t bother to ever show a Rams game on t.v. anymore here in So. Cal because it makes me sick enough just hearing from the halftime announcers and then reading here just how bad my team really does suck.This team is the most pathetic bunch of supposedly pro’s i have ever heard about, and you fans from the lou keep saying how spags is doing the best he can and that he is going in the right direction, but i have said it before on here and will say it now….no team has this many injuries every year unless the coaching and conditioning is atrocious and before the spag fans crucify me, yes i do know he inherited this bunch of crap we call a team, but something is surely not right with this situation, either that or these are the 53 biggest “pink-tee prima donna sissies” that the NFL has ever seen. They were beaten by the hags again and the hags have looked really sad this year also, i guess if your team has been getting stomped the cure is to play the lambs and you will then feel better about your team because these guys couldn’t beat the local jvc team here where i live.Pathetic, another sunday of pure shit from the lambs, at least i can have high hopes for my AFC favorite team and second overall choice, the Chargers…go bolts
by peteyweestro on Nov 29, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Might be speaking out of turn..
but I don’t think you should be “crucified” for being frustrated about the Rams this year. The thing I love about TST is that it’s (mostly) a place for smart, optimistic, constructive discussion about our collective favorite team. Second guessing coaching decisions is pretty much what goes on here, and every blog, column, website known to man. Injuries happen. They’re a part of an ultraviolent game.
I do think you should be crucified for being a whiney cry-baby fair-weather fan. I don’t have an “AFC favorite team and second overall choice” to root for when things get tough for the Rams. I root for the Rams. I would never call my beloved football squad a derogatory nickname used by our archrivals and mortal enemies.
I come to this blog to read constructive criticisms, and well-thought out insight that accentuates the upside of our rag-tag group of Rams. Not this kind of white-flag waving “sissie” rhetoric. Therefore, I can’t empathize with it.
In short- I’d be more than happy to give an iota of thought to anything might want to put out there into the blogosphere that will ADD to the conversation. Until then, I don’t have time for the incoherent, teary-eyed ramblings of a turncoat front-runner.
by mooseknuckles41 on Nov 29, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or....
evaluations by people who admit they don’t watch the games….
Which is why you won’t hear much from me this week about this game. I wasn’t able to watch the game on Sunday.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 30, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the Ravens Steelers
is like watching a different sport.
by loyal2therams on Nov 29, 2009 10:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What is this sport where two teams play defense?
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by Carneros on Nov 29, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at all these runs of 2-1 yards and
complex defensive schemes!
by loyal2therams on Nov 29, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This game showed me
We need a second string running back Gado and Darby are 3rd stringers or belong on the practice squad. How about Martin? We are finding some targets. I think a priority for the offseason on offense is Quarterback/ OL/ Reciever/ RB/ TE in that order
by keeperskillz24 on Nov 29, 2009 11:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd almost push WR down that list.
While we don’t have a legit #1 WR, I think we have enough talent there to get by especially when there are much, much greater needs on the team.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 30, 2009 7:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you will about Bulger
but he makes that corner pass to Amendola, guaranteed, if he had played.
by jb22 on Nov 29, 2009 11:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
to the defender of all things ramish and holy or otherwise known as moose something or other, first of all i been a rams fan since before they lost to the steelers in the superbowl so yea i guess that makes me a front runner fan , and all the years of suffering between then and the couple years they were the " greatest show on turf ", yea all those years don’t count right?Now for the part about having a second team, i guess i’m the only person in the entire rams fanbase that doesn’t live in the st. lou area and so they don’t show the games so we have to watch other teams play, and therefore we watch the teams they do show and you can’t help but start to root for a team that you watch every sunday play.But i may be wrong on this, but with a nickname associated with mooseanything, you gotta be a country boy, and so prolly out in the sticks somewhere in the hills of mizzu you wouldn’t know about other games being on because the tinfoil rabbit ears only reach the airwaves broadcast from the lou.Can you show me where in the Ram fan or NFL fan rulebook it states one must root for this crappy product AND ONLY this product? As for the rams having an upside,it has a tiny one but not one that i haven’t been fooled by from this team many times before.You seem to be so full of yourself and wanna rip into me, so my question to mr. johnny cochran of the rams is, where were you sir all the other times the frustrated faithful have been on here ranting after another crappy performance by our team. I n fact i think they should hire you to monitor this blog 24/7 for any other people you may deem non fans or untrue fans or what ever your internet policing ass calls it.Tackle box and to you i ask this, so unless you watch a game you don’t have a right to talk about it right, because i’m sure you never talked, argued or discussed an event or game that you didn’t personally see, you may have read about it you may have seen highlights or buddies could of told ya or hell you coulda lived the same scenario for years upon years to where it really is second nature but i digress unless you were there and seen it firsthand you better not voice an opinion on it.God knows you have never ever said anything mean or nasty abouty the rams before right? like good ol bullwinkle up there, you are content with the ways things are right?
by peteyweestro on Nov 30, 2009 9:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For the record.
I don’t live in St. Louis either so I go to a local establishment (i.e., a sports bar) to watch the Rams every week.
And if you hadn’t noticed, I’ve yet to give an opinion on this week’s game. Why? Because I was out of town and didn’t get to see it. How am I suppposed to give any kind of credible opinion on the game if I didn’t watch it? Hell, I actually listened to about a quarter and a half on the radio, but all I’m doing there is listening to two people give me their opinion.
(btw, if you missed it the first time, and I’m sure you did since it was a direct response to your thread. here’s the link to my comment about why I wasn’t going to give opinions on this week’s game)
Hell, from what I heard and from what I’ve read by people here and other places who actually watched the game, I can see that my opinion of how the team was playing (by watching the ticker on CBS and a little bit on the radio) was not the same at all.
I mean if you want to regurgitate what your “buddies” say or form opinions based on a box score and you think that holds any credibility, then I’m not sure I can aruge with you. Although I would suggest a different “forum” and that being the PD Boards. That place is full of people who obviously don’t watch the games and a columnist who doesn’t know the players names.
You might find people there who are more like-minded to your buddies opinions.
I do, however, find it amazing that there are people who will actually defend the position of not watching something and then claiming they have every right to form a valid opinion that we should all listen to.
Btw, I’m really starting to enjoy this whole, “if you don’t bitch incessantly and demand the coach to be fired then you must be completely thrilled with a 1 and 10 record” bullshit. It’s almost laughable. Almost. That is if it weren’t so damn tiresome and uncreative.
Yeah, if you want to believe 95% of us here are as happy as pigs in shit over the record, go ahead. It’s obvious you form opinions on things you don’t care enough about to actually pay attention to so why should this tired ass “put down” be any different. You’re lazy in your “analysis” of the Rams, so why shouldn’t you take the lazy route when talking about other commenters here at TST?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Dec 1, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, i’m lazy ooohh won’t sleep tonight…
by the way i know the rams suck…
i know that i don’t need to hear my buddies opinions on the rams to know they still suck….
i know i don’t look at any box scores, hey guess what they still suck…
i know i rooted for them since Lawrence Mcutcheon (spelling) was my neighbor and i wore Isiah Robinsons actual field jacket ( by the way those were 2 very good rams when they were still in the city of angels, long befor Warner and crew)…..
finally, i know that just like that Moose dude that you and he will now be letting the rest of us know what is ok venting and what is wrong venting and what constitutes a good,bad or great post
by peteyweestro on Dec 1, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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