Breaking News: Bulger Out 3-6 Weeks
by kevinramsfan on Nov 23, 2009 6:12 PM CST
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One of the many quarterbacks to go down Sunday, Marc Bulger is now out at least three weeks with a fractured tibia according to Jay Glazer. I've also heard this reported on this evening's Sportscenter. Kyle Boller will get the start against the Seahawks on Sunday. This is just another in a long line of injuries that have decimated this team in 2009. The hits just keep on coming! Stay tuned for more fallout.
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Those Of Us
who want a DT or DE in the first round next year will now see how important it will be for us to get a good QB early in the draft. I think Boller decreases our chances of winning. Get a QB who can make an immediate impact i.e. Matt Ryan, Flacco(though some might mention a sophmore slump), and so on.
I Want The Rams Back In LA....The More They Lose The More Of A Chance That It Will Happen....Sorry St Louis You Cant Keep A Team(Twice)...Rams Come Home....We'll Be Here For You When You Do
by JordansDad on Nov 23, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
im hearing
Colt McCoys name being announced, “with the first selection in the 2010 draft the St Louis Rams choose Colt McCoy from Texas”
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Nov 23, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God you're not in charge of our draft...
…if we went with the voices in your head, this rebuild would take an extra 5 years.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 23, 2009 6:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That's about how long it would take
McCoy to drive the Rams 80 yards downfield.
by blindmouse on Nov 23, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He played with it since the 2nd quarter I believe...
…and almost led the comeback. So sad if this is his last game as a Ram. He never had a chance. If this is his last game, I wish him the best with whatever team (not niners/seahawks) that he lands on. I’d love to see him regain his former form like Warner did because Marc’s been nothing but classy to our fans since he’s been here, even though many never accepted him. Thanks for everything Marc, the records set and the help in our community/USO. I hope to see him with the Rams next year, as unlikely as it seems.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 23, 2009 6:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
I wish him all the best, but I have to think the Bulger era is over.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
best wishes Marc
I’m sure even those who never felt Marc should be the starter, never would have wanted things to end like this.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So let's get the conversation started
Should we see what Null has? I use to think YES but being this late in the year, it would be hard to get any sort of true gauge.
Even though we’re gonna need a QB I still think the D-Line needs addressing first in the draft. I’m sure there are many that will chime in and disagree.
I think D-Line in the draft and pick up a QB via free agency or in later rounds.
I would say otherwise, but seeing our putrid D-Line week in and week out is getting majorly disturbing. And if Suh is available, I can’t see passing him up… because IMHO there are no “blockbuster” QB’s available this year.
OK let’s here it gang…
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Null now has a way better chance of having to play.
If Boller goes down he will have to play. I don’t know what we’re going to do for our 3rd QB. Even if we get a practice squad guy he won’t be comfortable with the offense for probably the whole season. No Boller and Null have to last the rest of the season or until Bulger comes back. I still think we need to go D-line early and QB later, as I said some possibilities here
I also don’t see us winning more than 1 game for the rest of the season if that, so Suh could be very well attainable for us. Hopefully Null or Boller can get in sync with our young receivers. LeFevour or Devlin in rd 4 or later. Suh, Morgan or other DE, Terrance Toliver, Devlin, whatever LBs CBs or whatever else we need the rest of the way.
LeFevour and the Rams 2010 Superbowl Champions
by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of it comes down to
where we pick in the draft like you said. If Suh is gone, it changes the game a bit, but I still think DT would still be our priority, because i’ve read that position is deep this year.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about
another player that will be a starter & contributor right off the bat?
If we’re not top 4 I don’t think we’ll get Suh. IMO, it’s painfully obvious with the age & lack of ‘presence’ on our DL, we have to start there. I think if we don’t get Suh, we trade back and increase our picks. Defense first two picks…
by RamsFan1979 on Nov 23, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he has to see a quarter or two,
clean up duty or whatever. let the kid get a taste.
Turf Show Times
by VanRam on Nov 23, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He will
It won’t be this week probably. He’ll have to get up to speed with the starters. He’ll get plenty of reps with the first team this week.
There’s no way Boller lasts the remaining 6 games. I’m not saying he’s going to get hurt (although he could) but I highly doubt he’ll play well enough to warrant starting the games down the stretch.
At some point (I’m guessing week 15 at the latest) we’ll see Null start.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 23, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
the poll from my DT board came out in favor of talking WR, but I wonder if this pushes a couple votes into the QB camp…
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
surprising poll results
BUT you should re-run another poll I bet you’d see that change in a hurry. I’m still surprised not many selected DT with Suh possibly in our reach.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The poll
was just to see which position the community wanted to see a board for, not who they necessarily wanted to pick in the 1st round.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It really sucks though 3k
We need so many things, what do you pick? My opinion is the best player available at a position of need… I know that would be tough to judge but honestly, is there a player with the talent level of Suh available at a different position?
Is there a blockbuster WR or QB? If we didn’t need a DT I can see the argument. Why would we want to sacrifice picking a player like Suh to pick average WR or QB?
I know there are no guarantees with any player, but I think it’s something we need to do, IF he is available.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also want to post a disclaimer
I am not a big college football guy so please give me some names if you have an argument so I can take a look…
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there someone as dominant at his position as Suh?
Sure. Berry at S. Hell, if I was going best talent overall, I’d take Berry #1.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Monte Kiffin can’t stop talking about this kid. That is a big compliment, when a defensive genious like Monte says that a player can transition from safety to Corner Back and still be an All-American, that has to be one hell of a player.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 23, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard Berry has really struggled in the losses they've had lately
by hisTALLness on Nov 23, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
They’ve only lost 2 of their last 6 games, and those were to Alabama and Ole Miss. I watched both of those games in their entirety if that’s what you’re referencing, and he’s still Eric Berry. Teams have tried to avoid him, but you can’t run an offense on half of a field. That’s the effect he has on the game. The scary thing is he could still add some weight. If he does, he’s got ROY & Pro Bowl in 2010.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Suh is the kind of player
we know will fill a need. Any QB available is either a project or a risk, if not both. The biggest need at QB is STILL our long term need, not our short time need. That being said if Suh is gone……. It’s back to which of the big 3.
by dbcouver on Nov 23, 2009 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fills a need, and in a big way.. this guy is a monster
which is why I find it hard to believe we’d pass on him… yest last year we took Jason Smith over a WR… which I agreed with. You have to strengthen your O-Line and D-Line first.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Suh = amazingness
I caught a series of the Nebraska game v. K-State, which was TRIPLE-teaming him and he was still getting to the QB. He is an out-of-this-world talent, at least he looks like one now. Looks like he’d be worth a top 3 overall pick.
by postrophemo on Nov 23, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
some players you see, and you just know they are special
Some you see and you DON’T know… ie; Lauranitis. I knew he was good but he’s been GREAT. With that said, even though players can be a bust particularly D-Linemen, Suh just has that something.. he makes it look so easy at the college level.. like a man among boys. Bust? I would highly doubt it unless the injury bug struck him like it has half our stinking team as of late.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which leads to anther question
Does Suh fit the four pillars and Spags mold?
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive heard Suh on camera
Theres no one he wouldn’t impress
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 3:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You had a question on Lauranitis
over Jason Smith???? Lauranitis was an unbeleivable talent after his Sophmore year. He was the only pick I didn’t have a question on. He would have been a 1st round pick after his Sophmore year if he in so chose to leave or could have left. I’m glad he made it to the second round for us.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 23, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't question him
just makng a point that i didn’t think he would be this good this early especially.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 24, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha...
Sometimes read more into a post than necessary
by CaliRamMan on Nov 24, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been a Bulger critic for 3 years ...
….but, it was criminal to leave him in the game for the last 3 plays. A blind man could see he was barely conscious after that viscous hit. I’m gaining respect for more of our players (Lauranitis, Smith, Gibson, etc.) while losing it quickly for our COACHING staff. No wonder we’ve got 10 on IR. OPEN YOUR EYES IDIOTS AND WATCH OUT FOR YOUR PLAYERS.
by edpjr on Nov 23, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not disagreeing... I do agree he was very dazed
but curious, did his leg injury happen on one of the last 3 plays?
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it happened in the 2nd qtr
but he got his bell run on the first play of the last drive on the sack.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 23, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You say it's criminal,
Detroit fans say it’s heroic…
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the Detroit coaches and doctor tried to keep Stafford out of the game.
Plus, he’s a young guy that probably never had a concussion before, unlike Bulger who’s had a plenty.
by edpjr on Nov 23, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you will
but that’s balls. Flat out. And now, his team, the league and the media will be all over said testiculars.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's one thing to come off the field, have a timeout, and come on for one more play
And it’s another thing completely when your ass thinks you’re playing for the Dallas Cowboys in Las Vegas for the last 3 plays of the game without a single break.
I believe in 2010
by ram_rod on Nov 23, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that just about sums it up perfectly...
Repeated shoulder injuries/concussions over the years and now a broke leg plus a scrambled brain. Maybe poor ol’ Bulger deserved his millions of $$$. At least his key protector; Alex Barron, has never been injured. Why do you suppose that is…?
by edpjr on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe somebody should "softly" whack Steve Spagnuola in the side of the head...
…with a 2 X 4 so he’ll be more knowledgeable the next time something similar happens.
by edpjr on Nov 23, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our next QB better not get rteated this way.
And it’s abominable to treat Bulger this way. I too have done my share of criticizing him, but never his toughness.
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 3:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rams' draft need should not change
You win in the NFL by dominating the lines. The Rams need defense, defense, defense. You can draft a quarterback in the middle rounds and then find someone to keep the seat warm.
Teams don’t consistently win without a defensive line. You don’t stop the run without a defensive line; you don’t rush the quarterback without a defensive line. They will set themselves back if they waste a pick on Clausen or Bradford.
by blindmouse on Nov 23, 2009 7:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree
but you have to expect a media blitz to push the Rams to take a QB that will be heavier than anything we’ve dealt with in the last couple drafts, and that included two #2 picks.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Bernie is already pushing hard for it, and I’m guessing non-football people will call for it to sell tickets. Of course, winning also sells tickets.
If there’s a Stafford, Ryan or Sanchez in this draft, I could go along with getting a quarterback, but selling out for Jimmy Clausen? Ugh, that’s a Jay Zygmunt move.
by blindmouse on Nov 23, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is take Sanchez out of that list...
…and I’m a Hispanic that currently attends USC.
Ryan’s slumping too. Stafford was epic this weekend.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 23, 2009 8:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Is take Sanchez out of that list...
…and I’m a Hispanic that currently attends USC.
Ryan’s slumping too. Stafford was epic this weekend.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 23, 2009 8:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Out of all the games Bulger had to miss
he had to miss the seahawks game.
by jb22 on Nov 23, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Campbell
at the risk of being unpopular, i say test the waters on the guy, and still be able to take the best player available in the first round, with an early pick. Then you can draft a top WR give him a weapon, find a Spags second round gem for the DL (the talent’s there), and addresses two major needs. They can then upgrade with a good enough to start CB from free agency. Or some combination therein. The possibilities are amazing!!!
Turf Show Times
by VanRam on Nov 23, 2009 8:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we really have much of a choice
He is probably the best option for next season, unless we draft a QB first round, and even then, having him might not be a bad idea.
LeFevour and the Rams 2010 Superbowl Champions
by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not unpopular with me
Campbell is a good guy to have while waiting for a franchise quarterback. By my own amateur eyes, they need, in order:
1. Defensive tackle/end
2. WR
3. No. 2 RB
4. QB
5. OLB
by blindmouse on Nov 23, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think no. 2 RB goes farther down on the list, definitely below QB
LeFevour and the Rams 2010 Superbowl Champions
by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think so?
Jackson is going to be broken down in the next two years if they don’t find someone to share the load. If you aren’t drafting a potential first string running back (which you can find up and down the draft) then sign someone like Chester Taylor.
by blindmouse on Nov 23, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think someone to get 10% of the carries a season
when you already have the best RB in the league is more important than a QB? I think Jackson has 4-6 years left in the tank. No. 2 RB is a need, but a backup at any position is definitely not more important than a QB, the person who leads the teams and makes the majority of the plays. Especially when you have no one on the team now.
LeFevour and the Rams 2010 Superbowl Champions
by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd disagree too, but not too much
1.) DT
2.) RDE
3.) OLB
4.) QB
5.) #2 RB
6.) QB
I love me some defense, what can I say.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this one better, but
I would change it slightly:
1)DE
2)LB (more specifically the SAM)
3)QB
4)#2 RB
5)DT
by CaliRamMan on Nov 23, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget about CB
i hate to say this, but Fletcher’s going to have a hard time getting back to way he was playing. We need a big physical corner to play opposite bartell. King is tiny.
by jb22 on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you drop Van?
Gibson, Avery, Burton, or Robinson???? I don’t think this class of receivers (Bryant aside) is worth using an early pick on. I think WR should be more in focus for 2011.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 24, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hes restricted
We can’t afford a 1st or even a 2nd rounder on him.
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 3:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulger
Here’s the deal. Marc was terrible the year he got the big money. He was terrible the year after and he was bad this year as well. Your patriotism, camaraderie, or whatever you want to call it may hold some merit. And that’s only due tp the fact that it was not all his fault. It was because we have had a horrible offensive line. But the chances of him ever coming back and being a WINNER is slim and none.
Now I am all for “starting in the trenches” when it comes to rebuilding a team. And that is basically what we’ve been trying to do for the last 5 years. Yes I know “the regime” has changed hands over the years, yet I do believe its time to go for the franchise quarterback. I also know that Bradford has fallen out of grace with a lot of you. But in my opinion he should still be our top priority. If there was a way for us to get an extra 1st round pick (without giving up SJ) then i’d say let s go DL and the QB. But that’s a pipe dream, it will never happen. In the mean time we need to have the facts.
by ZamRam on Nov 23, 2009 8:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The only way that happens is with future draft picks
And I’m not sure about that
LeFevour and the Rams 2010 Superbowl Champions
by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it moves us up in the draft from a pedestrian 7th or 8th pick, to the number three or two (ugh again).
I figure tampa or Cleveland, won’t win again. We and the lions will fluke into one more.
by GrnGyant on Nov 23, 2009 8:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Except Tampa I guess
Forgot about Freeman.
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford would be a humungous risk
Maybe if he’s there at No. 33 or 34, but the first or second pick? To someone coming off shoulder surgery?
by blindmouse on Nov 23, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree but...
Adrian Peterson looked a lot like Bradford going into the draft and man I would hate to pass on Bradford if he’s a HOF type.
by kinzav29 on Nov 23, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What
are you talking about. AP missed his 2nd year. Came back as a Junior and did well. People passed on him due to injury concerns, but he played almost his entire junior year. The thing with Bradford is that he looked great behind a flawless O-line. People wanted to see what he looked like behind a less than stellar O-line and he was knocked out for the year… twice. The concerns for Bradford are very much warranted and anyone who watched his last two seasons would know that. If you just look at stats and accolades then you should be the biggest proponent of his….hell you should want Colt McCoy.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 23, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
AP had loads of talent, looked amazing when he played, but got passed up because he DID have some injury concerns. Bradford looked amazing in his Heisman campaign with his best reciever being Juaquin Iglesias? Bradford has the talent, very accurte/strong arm/good size/above average speed, and he looked pretty good this year before he got injured. This year he has suffered from a bad O-line but his weapons aren’t as good either, so it’s difficult for me to put the injury blame on him. But I’m sure a lot of teams will not take the risk after his injury, while I have a feeling he will be very good in the league.
by kinzav29 on Nov 24, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i got injured in the 1st game....
How can you say he had a good year this year??? He was knocked out by an undersized LB from BYU and then again by a DB from Texas. Sorry guy, I just can’t see us risking too early on a draft pick with that committed dollar amount unless we are absolutely sure. I don’t think anyone is absolutely sure on Bradford. As it is right now we are investing 2nd overall $’s on Chris Long-jury is still out on, Jason Smith-jury is still out on, and now you are saying we do the same for Bradford.
His best receiver was Gresham not Iglesias. He also had two dope running backs in Brown and Murray. Add to the best line in college last year and you can see why he was able to show off his accuracy.
Sorry but I am more confident on the Defensive side of this draft.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 24, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Bradford didn't have injury concerns
Suh is as needed as Bradford with less risk and a higher ceiling.
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 3:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh how I miss the days of QB controversy
well they’re about to be back
LeFevour and the Rams 2010 Superbowl Champions
by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hehe
This from the guy with LeFevour in his sig…
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For those of you who want Jason Campbell
Campbell is best suited in a vertical passing game. He’s got a great arm, and there aren’t a lot of throws that he can’t make. The reason he’s struggled in Washington is because he’s not a good fit for the system. Remember that Jim Zorn runs a similar offense to ours. (It’s not identical, but the principles are the same). He has proven that he is not capable of quickly processing multiple reads and delivering the ball quickly to the right guy, with precise timing.
by jb22 on Nov 23, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
comes down to
if we believe we can get away with a QB in free agency. I don’t believe we’ll find a DT or DE in free agency with anywhere close to the talent level of those available early in this years draft (Suh particularly)… a QB maybe (Campbell, Quinn?), and i’ll take an experienced QB and Suh over a rookie QB and who knows who at DT next year.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 8:52 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
This is where I’m at right now
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to continue, we're still rebuilding
it’s not like we’re QB away from the superbowl..
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
plus maybe we can get a look at Null
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it should only
be a matter of time until Null gets his chance. Boler will either get hurt or we’ll be so far behind…
by RamsFan1979 on Nov 23, 2009 8:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Boller gets hurt
We have the #1 pick locked up
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's what is hard for me to swallow
we draft Null, donno what he can do. So now we are talking about drafting another… then ditch Null? Make him our #2, 3? I guess I don’t get it. Why didn’t we draft a different player than Null last year, and keep Berlin around. We had to see something in him right? Why not get a look.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 9:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What's really hard to swallow is if Boller gets hurt sometime in the next 3-6 weeks
then what? Null has to start and can’t get hurt. If he gets hurt we have to find any QB that knows the system regardless of what kind of talent he has. Null starting is bad enough, but with no backup could be disastrous. If Null and Boller go down to injury, we better have a pretty damn good wildcat ready.
LeFevour and the Rams 2010 Superbowl Champions
by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which brings up yet ANOTHER topic
do we sign a QB to the roster now? Kinda have to don’t we??
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulger has sparked a lot of topics
We have to sign one, but can the signee learn the system before the season ends? He’d have to learn in about 3 weeks and even that would be pushing it. And do we sign a practice squad guy or a veteran?
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by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!!!
We need another QB now. This is a no brainer. Scan the FAs, the practice squads, and after the end of the minileague this week, look there. We aren’t the only team in need though, so time is of the essence. All another team has to do is announce that they have an opening and we won’t have first choice.
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 3:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disastrous?
Even with Bulger, the Rams wouldn’t have won another game this year.
by DiscoJer on Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I generally like Steve Spagnuolo and what he does
but I just listened to his press conference and I can’t stand his excuses for his questionable decisions. I’ve only heard two excuse because there’s really only been two situations.
Lets go back to the Jacksonville game. We are at round the 10 I believe with 7 seconds to go down by 3 points on a non-4th down. Plenty of time to take a shot at the endzone and still have time for a FG if we don’t get it. Spags decides to go for the FG and force OT, where if you lose the coin toss you basically lose the game with the way our defense was tiring at the end. Anyway we end up losing in OT, and after the game he says that he would have gone for it if there were 8 seconds and not 7 seconds. I didn’t like that at all.
So then this time we are 4th and goal at the 2 at the one at the end of the 3rd quarter down by 18. Instead of going for the TD he decides to kick the FG, which may end up deciding the game. So after the game he says if it were 4th and 1 or 4th 1/2 he would have gone for it. Why does this 1 yard or 1 second keep influencing your decisions? Make a decision that is not influenced by 1 yard or 1 second. If you need to go for it on 4th and 1 you need to go for it on 4th and 2. If 8 seconds is more than enough time, then 7 seconds is enough time.
Rant over
LeFevour and the Rams 2010 Superbowl Champions
by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 9:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think it is a valid
excuse. Do you remember how many Turnovers we have had in the redone….Redskins anyone? Not saying I agree with it, but I understand it.
In addition to that Arizona’s Def was doing well. SJ had to work hard for his 116 yards. They were doing well at keeping Jackson contained.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 23, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I was fine with the decision because it was a much tougher one
I am okay with the decision despite the fact I wouldn’t have made the same one, but the excuse doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. If you want and think you can get a TD from the one why not from the two? Although this wouldn’t be a problem with better play calling on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down. The goal line playcalling was terrible. Three failed fade routes, two of them consecutively on crucial third and fourth downs. On a game deciding 4th down, I think I’m going for something less risky than a fade route, especially when you ran the exact same one the play before. Officiating also sucked
The one at Jacksonville was much worse, but that is ancient history so I’ll stay away from it.
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by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your frustration
But I agreed with both calls. Yes we’d all love to see the go for broke mentality but these decisions really showed me he is a coach that uses his head.
Now, you can argue that he may be too much of a numbers guy ie; your b vs 7 seconds illustration, but he went with the %’s.
The odds of making a TD on the last play against Jacksonville were much less than us winning the coin toss in OT right? And 7 seconds is stretching IMHO.
The call last week was a good one. down by 2 scores with our D playing better… and if Gibson makes the catch he looks liek a genius. Just my 2 cents but I respect your opinion and understand your frustration.
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Jacksonville one was worse
You have to trust you QB to make a smart throw where his only receiver can get it and if he runs out of time stop the play. It shouldn’t take more than 4-5 seconds to run that play and once it hits 4 seconds throw it at someones feet.
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by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying it's not possible
just saying the % was more favorable by kicking the FG… could have attempted a throw yes… very tough position to be in overall
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kicking FG's inside the 10 yard line is the quickest way to get beat..IMHO
by edpjr on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true but idealy you shouldn't be in that position
playcalling has sucked putting us there
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 24, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
b = 8
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If DT is real deep maybe we can sneak out some more value
Suh is a very very good prospect, but people argue McCoy is just as good. I’m not real keen on Suh, but I see ACC DT’s every week and I like what I see. There are steals at DT in this draft, and WR you can get lucky at almost anytime, but QB steals have very low percentages. I mean look at the top guys in the NFL, Mannings, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, McNabb, Roethlisberger all 1st round guys. Brady was a steal, Schaub looks pretty good, I have confidence in our draft ability but I dunno if we can grab that ‘30%’ guy in the later rounds. I keep fighting with myself for this draft thou. Championships are built from the lines out, undoubtedly so. Defense wins championships, very true. We do have big guys on IR right now at DT and WR, but no one there for QB. Ended up being just a ramble, still confused on my position haha.
by kinzav29 on Nov 23, 2009 9:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There are several things wrong with that statement
Mainly,
Suh is a very very good prospect, but people argue McCoy is just as goodWhat people argue that? McCoy may not even be in the top 5 at QBs at this point. Suh is the best player in the draft. Brees wasn’t a first rounder. We need to draft Suh and possibly another D Lineman 2nd round. A later round project QB is our best option this year since their is no real franchise Qb in the draft.
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by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
I meant Gerald McCoy, and its not many but it still gets brought up
by kinzav29 on Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
O well don't I feel foolish
Yes, McCoy is very good, but I still like Suh more, but either one would be fine by me, assuming Suh is already gone. It was your QB spiel right after saying McCoy that threw me off.
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by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just to clarify
right now in the league, 5 out of 11 of the sack leaders are 4th rounders or greater (top 3 are included). Best passers (by rating) show 8/11 are first rounders. The stat can be misleading but it’s gotta have some merit.
by kinzav29 on Nov 23, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys
Suh is one hell of a talent, but we have so many other needs with the front 7 alone. DT is not one of them. Keep in mind that we get Gibson and Carriker (maybe) back next year. As of right now we have done pretty good with what we have at DT (This weekend aside.) Add those names to Clifton Ryan, who has done well this year, and our 4th round pick in Scott and I think we are ok at DT for the next couple years. We have a major, MAJOR need at DE and LB. Huge needs at these spots. Suh is awesome in college, but DT is arueably the hardest position to come in out of college and have a huge impact early on. Partly because the NFL has bigger, stronger, athletic and more importantly ….experience in the O-lines.
The problem with WR in this group reminds me a lot of the Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly class, (Avery, Jackson aside)….nothing great. If we are using an early pick it has to be Dez Bryant or wait till 2011 draft where it will be flooded with talent.
I leave you guys with this thought….What will the Rams do if Heaven forbid…..Chris Long was to go down with an injury? I am curious to know what you guys think…keep in mind Hall is contemplatng retirement and Little is not too far behind.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 23, 2009 10:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You can find DEs and OLBs every year
with the same talent as this years choices have. Suh is a once in every ten years type talent.
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 3:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Reggie Bush
burned us pretty bad last week running the ball. Did I just imagine that 50 yard run and big total? And you can’t just look at run defense. You have to have a push up the middle from the tackles on pass plays to make the QB stay back where the DEs can get him. That has been non-existent most of the year.
by andyrose on Nov 23, 2009 10:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reggie
usually runs the outsides, so I’m not sure I understand the point. It is not just push up the middle, you need the pocket to collapse from all over. Hence the payscale for dominant DE’s in the league.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Suh is not available to us, and because we will still need defensive help why not go for a hard hitting safety like Taylor Mays out of my beloved USC ?
by peteyweestro on Nov 23, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because we already have Butler, Dahl and Atogwe
Safety is the one place on defense we don’t need help
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by Carneros on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
said….hoping Atogwe signs for the distance.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mays has had
a horrible season. He and Snead have been the two most disappointing players just ahead of Ciron Black and Adam Ulatoski.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor Mays is nothing more than a head hunter
He won’t last to much past his first NFL contract
by njd.aitken on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't even get me started on Taylor Mays
Taylor Mays vs. Eric Berry is like Rey Maualuga vs. James Laurinaitis
Both USC players have terrible awareness. They hit hard, but just because you hit harder doesn’t mean you’re that much better in run support. It just looks cooler. Berry has instincts, something you can’t coach. Not to mention Berry can bring the wood. Youtube his hits on Knowshon Moreno and Tim Tebow. And he could add 10-20 pounds to his frame.
by jb22 on Nov 23, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least if we end up taking Clausen
we know he can deal with a rowdy fan base
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 23, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Jackson for picks and players
Draft Mark Ingram and defense the rest of the way!
by jlcdb70 on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
for the sake of our love for the rams
if Jackson is gone i cannot bear to imagine what the offense would look like. It would be like that Browns Bills game earlier where Derek Andersen completed 2 of 17 for like 20 yards the entire game.
by jb22 on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
and then get rid of Devaney for Matt Millen as GM and then hold open tryouts for the team! in the words of the Monday night countdown crew…. Com’ on man!
by kevinramsfan on Nov 24, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the deal...
The absolute worst part of our team is the D-Line. These guys get our LBs and secondary hammered every game because they can’t stop the run or pressure the QB. I think Carriker is deadmeat, Little and Hall are too old, and Chris Long will always be an average NFL player at best. The next big need is the most important player in the game – the QB. Bulger’s a goner, Boller is below average, and there’s no reason to expect any greatness from Null. So, here are the priorities as I see ‘em:
1. DE/DT
2. QB
3. TE
4. OLB
5. RB
I know a lot of people will argue that we need a WR and a b/u for SJax. I agree on the latter, but believe Avery, Robinson, Gibson, Burton, et.al can suffice as receivers. We need to draft a guy like King Kong Suh and try to trade some picks for another proven D-Lineman. Brady Quinn seems like the most plausible option at QB, if we could get him. And I also like another talented guy named Michael Vick as a second option. We’ve also got to get a TE that can catch and block. McMichael is a liability. Lauranitis, the deal of the century, needs a helper at OLB. And, if we can’t get somebody besides the likes of Gado and Darby to spell SJax once in a while, we’ll wear him out in 2 years or less. The O-Line with Smith, Brown, Incognito, Setts, Goldberg and Bell should be fine once we get rid of Barron. Lastly, we need to get some capable trainers and conditioning coaches. Ten guys on IR is ridiculous.
by edpjr on Nov 24, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I could see us going suh in the first
and a DE or OLB in the second. There is bound to be a good DE or LB fall that far. I like the fact that Locker is starting to fall on many draft boards. I’d be tits all over a Suh and Locker first day. I also like Pierre-Paul, or Everson Griffen. I’m thinking Dunlap is a poor performance in the title game away from falling to the 2nd as well. I really like Jerrod Johnson in a later round if he comes out. I’m not against drafting 2 QBs if we can get value and another extra pick or 2. Compensatory maybe????
by dbcouver on Nov 25, 2009 4:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulger got his guaranteed money
He will need it after he gets cut, Rams owe no money after this season, that $10 million can go to sign a couple of OL free agents. The protection any average qb would do well vs. a highly paid qb with no ol protection.
by Patrick D on Nov 24, 2009 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Suh could be the guy
Brady Quinn could be in a ram uniform next year, thats only if The Browns sign him wich is probably most likely. If Suh is on the board we should take him from what I hear. If not take a qb or the next best d lineman.
by brians rams on Nov 24, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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