Follet fallout
by VanRam on Nov 2, 2009 9:34 PM CST
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Detroit's Zack Follett hit on St. Louis Rams KR Danny Amendola turned heads in strip mall sports bars in every city in America this weekend. Even fans at Chili's were rendered stupefied by the melon-thumping crush of the hit.
Unfortunately for the Rams, the helmet-on-helmet hit ended up handed Amendola a highlight reel concussion, Amendola being the skid row kick returner/wide receiver that's become one of the few bright spots for a team woefully bereft of bright spots. Take another look at the hit.
Will Zack Follett get a fine for that?
It's a pretty tough call. CoachConners made a good point in the comments earlier today that it's pretty "kamikaze" on special teams. And that it is, players using the field to get up to full speed, tunnel vision from the adrenaline. It's hard to see intent to injure here, at least in a malicious sense. Still, it looks like there'd be a fine coming based on the league's distaste for noggin-to-noggin stuff lately.
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Honestly
Those kinds of plays shouldn’t be fined. I know, by the letter of the law, it “deserves” a fine, but that’s not football. I can understand protecting the QB in today’s NFL when those guys are worth dozens of millions to franchises, but we’re talking about Danny Amendola (apologies, VT). If it was the other way around and Amendola layed out the Lions’ return man, I wouldn’t want a fine either. I think the NFL has gone a bit overboard in the helmet on helmet stuff, IMO.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 2, 2009 9:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol WOW word on my man crush has spread
No apology necessary… it’s really one of the reasons I like him… an unknown, and he has talent… at a position we seriously have lacked as of late…
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 2, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3k Can you keep your profile pic the same please...
didn’t realize that was you! Makes me feel a bit better now :-)
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
but, we have to remember that even though SJ dominated, it was one hell of an attempt for him to do so. Breaking tackle after tackle usually in our own backfield.
Now keep in mind that this was all against the worst D-line we will see the rest of the season. And Maiava was in the 4th.
I would have rather had Okung in this next years draft, and Curry in this last one, but it is what it is.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 3, 2009 2:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I understand where you’re coming from with the whole QB thing, but a player is a player. The NFLPA would go nuts over this type of stuff- and rightfully so.
Helmet to Helmet hits are dangerous, ESPECIALLY when you are moving that fast. It’s great to watch, the whole, “jacked up” thing, I get it, but with the league a bunch of superfit hulks nowadays, they need to enforce things like that.
Do I think it deserves a fine? Not necessarily. It was definitely a fringe case, it could go either way. Do i understand and support the NFL if they did it? Of course. Safety should be anyone’s primary concern, regardless of how much a player makes.
I believe in 2010
by ram_rod on Nov 2, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
on this one 3k. These days the window for a hit is really narrowing. Can’t go too low or you get penalized, can’t go too high or you might make contact with helmet to helmet. Oh, and keep in mind that you have a job to be do….prevent the guy from advancing past you, and his job is to avoid you from stopping him and try to advance. Oh keep in mind that this is going at full speed and you expect helmets not to ever meet. The hit had no malicious intent. I say no fine! And no Follet is not making millions, I think he was a 5th round pick.
VTramsFan, its ok to have a man crush….just rent “I love you man”!
by CaliRamMan on Nov 3, 2009 2:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True dat
but, we have to remember that even though SJ dominated, it was one hell of an attempt for him to do so. Breaking tackle after tackle usually in our own backfield.
Now keep in mind that this was all against the worst D-line we will see the rest of the season. And Maiava was in the 4th.
I would have rather had Okung in this next years draft, and Curry in this last one, but it is what it is.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 3, 2009 2:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's some pics I posted in the thread below:
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it was a great hit
Danny should have seen it coming. What’s a fine ever done to these players who make millions? It’s a fast game for only the strong i don’t think he should be fined. Least he’s got a helmet thats the way i stay positive after a hit like that. And the roughing the passer call for the hit on marc bulger was bull although karma probally had something to do with all the hits hes taken in the past and giveing him a reward for it.
by keeperskillz24 on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I won't complain either-
Actually, the tackler put himself in just as much danger as the tacklee. It’s about 50/50 who goes down on a hit like that.
by Knoxfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Amendola doesn’t not make millions.
The Helmet is a weapon when used to tackle.
I believe in 2010
by ram_rod on Nov 2, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to have a salary of roughly 1.7M to bring home a million
Taxes and agent.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Nov 2, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
he doesn’t make that.
I believe in 2010
by ram_rod on Nov 2, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The body is a weapon when used to tackle
How many receivers get jacked over the middle on “legal” hits that are just as dangerous as helmet to helmet hits? Or horse collars?
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 3, 2009 6:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say a chances of a fine are 50-50
25% – it was illegal by the letter of the law
25% – resulted in a head injury, not ticky tack play
vs.
25% – no flag on the play by the ofificals were on scene
25% – he was returning a punt which is assumed to have a greater risk of huge collision, not a QB standing unaware in a vulnerable position or WR concentrating on an incoming ball
I have never returned a punt, but my son played for many years and he told me it’s the single scariest thing he’s ever done in his life. Kid is tough as nails too. Graduates from fire fighter academy in February, was a bit of a brawler and has lots of adventure and good stories in his young life…..when he says he was scared, then I know its scary.
I saw him take 2 hits like that in high school, one was returning a punt and one was being blocked while covering a kickoff. Both times the whole stadium reacted…“Oooohh….”…..both times he said he never saw the hit coming.
They were huge, devastating hits and he could’ve been seriously hurt. It was hard to watch, but he popped right up and ran to the sideline where he later admitted he was pretending not to be dazed.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how
or if this will affect Danny… not sure but I would bet this was the hardest lick he has ever taken in this league… but he’s a tough SOB so I expect a strong rebound
"The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall." - Vince Lombardi
by VTramsFan on Nov 2, 2009 10:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Football is a rough contact sport
Yes, I’m an old goat that remembers the days before; the tuck rule, “in-the-grasp,” and “the ground can’t cause a fumble.” They also didn’t use to call pass interference unless there was real “pass interference.” I remember a game with Roman Gabriel getting off passes with two Vikings trying to pull him down. And Deacon Jones used to headslap O-Linemen every play. The game was more pure and more fun back then to me. And, I’m not sure there were more serious injuries. Even with all the protective rules in place today, there seems to be more concussions. I sure hate that Amendola got hurt on a viscious, but apprently legal, hit. But what really bugs me is the disparity between WHO gets hit and WHO gets penalized. Just tap a QB on the ass and see what happens to you…
by edpjr on Nov 3, 2009 12:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The reason there seems to be more concussions
is because they get reported now. Back in the day, you were made fun of for having a brain injury. Then someone noticed these guys who had multiple brain injuries were becoming vegetables or were in such deep depressions they were contemplating suicide by the time they were 40.
There’s nothing noble in covering up a concussion. There’s nothing noble in denying guys water at practice. All of that old bullshit is barbaric.
You also have to realize that players today are much bigger, much stronger, and much, much faster. Players in the NFL today are so much bigger and faster than players who played in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Most of the old legends would have a hard time staying on the field, due mostly to speed. That’s why you can’t run the option in the NFL. Teams are way to fast to pull it off.
Oh, and the whole “the ground can’t cause a fumbe” is something that drives me nuts when I hear people say it…..because the ground can cause a fumble. If you’re running with the ball and fall down without being touched and the ball comes out, guess what? That’s a fumble. And evertime I see that, I hear some moron arguing that the ground can’t cause a fumble. Well, the ground can’t cause a fumble if you’re being tackled for one reason. As soon as you make contact with the ground (with something other than your feet or your hand) the play is over. Period. But that’s the only reason.
But I agree with you on the Pass Interference calls. I have no idea what Pass Interference is since it’s not only called differently from game to game and play to play, but it’s also apparently different if the receiver mauls the defender. Pass Interference is probably the worst defined penalty in professional sports (and holding is probably a close second or maybe the roughing the passer which at times is mind-boggling).
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 3, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
You said everything I was thinking, especially about brain injuries, denial, water, etc. An athlete has to take care of his body like a race car. In between unfortunate raceday crashes, it has to be a finely tuned machine.
I believe part of the pass imterfence rules being beefed up were really an attempt to open up offenses and getting more exciting downfield plays. I recall reading somewhere the NFL wanted to open up the O by letting the WR go. If I find the link I’ll post it.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with athletes and their bodies is
you can’t trust the athlete. For every tough guy coach who thinks he has to make men out of his players, there’s are hundreds of athletes who will ignore the signs of injury to get back on the field. You yourself told a story about how your son hid a concussion just to get back on the field. Concussions are nothing to play with.
(side note: Urban Meyer should be ashamed of how he handeled Tim Tebow after the injury. They got Tebow cleared (after sitting for 2 weeks) a few hours before the game a couple weeks ago. Really? He wasn’t healthy enough to play the day before, that morning, or that afternoon, but by the late afternoon he was?)
They’ll often push themselves into situations that are harmful. Plus, just because it’s your own body doesn’t make you an expert in health care.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 3, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wel...he didn't exactly do that
He actually was headed off the field, and just didn’t want the other guy to know that he dazed him, so as not to boost his confidence. I’m not sure to what degree my son was concussed, but I have seen what you’re talking about yes.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I misunderstood.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 3, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They were both special teams plays -- kamikaze!
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Nov 3, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft the Pac-10!
I am wondering why the Rams stay away from the Pac-10 – especially Cal. Yes, a bit of a homer, but there have been several Cal players available that we’ve passed on. This is a program that’s been near or at the top of the college ranks for quite some time.
Several of these players are making headlines.
Today, Thomas DeCoud makes a few great plays. Could we use another DB?!
DeSean Jackson was passed over for Avery. Why?! Did we really feel Avery would be better than Jackson?! You gotta be kidding me!
A couple years ago we wanted a DT. We passed on Brandon Mebane. Now he’s a sea-chicken stopping our running attack. Dustin Fry sounded a lot better, right?
Need a linebacker? Let’s pass on Desmond Bishop – he looked pretty good the other night!
Draft any corners in the past few years? How about Nnamdi Asomugha?
Ok, he was a few years ago – like Aaron Rodgers, Tony Gonzalez, Andre Carter, and Tully Banta-Cain.
Marshawn Lynch, we didn’t need with SJ39. Same with Justin Forsett.
Still, we have needs, those needs are available, and we ignore them.
I didn’t worry much about this until we passe on Desean Jackson. That was the last straw.
Zach Follet was available last year and we ignored him, too. Now he hurts one of our players with a questionable hit, making us pay once again.
Let’s hope we don’t ignore Syd’quan Thompson and Javid Best this coming draft.
…but hey! We picked up Kyle Boller! Ugh…
…but he wan’t a draft pick.
by Oski Bear on Nov 3, 2009 12:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the PAC-10...
…and those are all good players, but, let’s get some Trojans not named Dominique Byrd.
See: Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Fili Moala (4th round), Kaluka Maiava.
Hasn’t Sedrick Ellis done better than Glenn Dorsey or Chris Long?
I will not however, echo the Mark Sanchez sentiment. I watched every snap of his career and knew that he has a knack for making questionable decisions.
I WILL however express my man-crush with Matt Barkley. He’s playing at such a level in a pro-offense. By his junior year…can’t wait. I’d love to see him in the Horns. Maybe we’ll have some receivers by then…
PS: the DeSean Jackson passing seems like a more terrible decision every week. Here’s to Donnie erasing that feeling eventually.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Moala
was drafted in the 2nd. I liked him as well and was hoping he would fall to us in the 3rd.
As for Sanchez, I only wanted the Rams to draft him as a bargaining chip (A LA Chargers and Eli Manning). As soon as Sark came out and said that Sanchez was not ready to leave yet, I knew the kid was not ready. Steve Sark had no reason to want Sanchez to stay at USC for another, especially since he would have to coach against him. So add that to what Carrol (the two people that knew him better than anyone) had to say and I was convinced he was not the QB for us.
Out of the 3 LB’s last year I really liked Cushing. He was the complete package at OLB. I actually thought he was better than Rivers, who was there before him.
then again this may have something to do with the fact that I live in CA and watch both Cal and USC each weekend.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 3, 2009 1:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap...
…was it Maiava in the 4th then? I was way off. I see that Sanchez strategy, but I think J. Smith is showing signs. Call it a coincidence, but our star RB has had his best 2 games of the season with Smith in. The fox highlight real during the game was impressive.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
but, we have to remember that even though SJ dominated, it was one hell of an attempt for him to do so. Breaking tackle after tackle usually in our own backfield.
Now keep in mind that this was all against the worst D-line we will see the rest of the season. And Maiava was in the 4th.
I would have rather had Okung in this next years draft, and Curry in this last one, but it is what it is.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 3, 2009 2:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Barkley
He’s put together a phenomenal freshman campaign thus far. He’s definitely a day 1 prospect in the 2012/13 draft, and if he continues on his current projection, a top 10 pick.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 3, 2009 6:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Normally
I would agree with you, considering I am a Cal fan. Been to several games, and got to see Jackson first hand. The kid was dope. I was so pissed when Avery got drafted before him, but that is the way things go. I was hoping Forsett would get dropped by Seattle, when they signed Edge (James).
But, the answer for some of these are simple. We couldn’t draft Follet right after we drafted Laurinitis with the 2nd round. Syd’quan won’t get drafted because of his size. He doesn’t fit Spags mold of a DB. He likes bigger, more physical DB’s. We won’t draft Best because he is going to be a 1st rounder and right now we can not address our RB that early in the draft.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On Laurinaitis...
…I was literally going to launch my remote at the tv Jonathan Broxton style when we passed on Rey. So far, I realize the mistake of my bias, and in hindsight, he was always better suited for OLB given his speed/agressiveness. We needed a MLB and it looks like we struck gold.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 1:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
WORD!!!!
I was wondering if that was the right thing as well. Then I remembered that I wanted Laurinitis to come out of college after his Sophmore season and again after his Junior season and be a RAM. So I backed off that one and was happy with the decision.
by CaliRamMan on Nov 3, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and I know Animal Jr. has work to do in pass coverage...
…Maualuga would’ve struggled even more in coverage.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 2:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not entirely sure Best will be a 1st round RB
Scouts grade production based on big games, and in Best’s two big games this season (Oregon & USC), he went 16-55 and 14-47. Oregon doesn’t exactly have a world-class D-line, so those games are holding him back a bit right now. He needs a good showing against Zona and in Cal’s bowl game to boost his stock to slip into the 1st round as of right now IMO.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 3, 2009 6:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
…I was at that game against Cal for our weekender (and I went to the Rams/Niners game the next day unfortunately, though it was great timing). The thing was, we didn’t respect the Cal passing game, and had the box stacked the entire time. I see some parallels between what Best faces and what Steven faces, though Steven is too great. If he were to somehow drop to round 2, we’d have found our #2, change of pace back. I just think we have too many holes to fill however, but it would be tempting. Very tempting.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Nov 3, 2009 7:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Round 2, agreed
I think he would be a nice round 2 pick and a great complement to Jackson.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 3, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think 2 is way to high
Someone to back up/relieve Jackson is not a second round need. That a horse you can ride, and this team needs 2nd round talent at about 5 other spots.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Nov 3, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on need
but if Best falls to us in the second, we have to really consider going BPA at that point. IMO, he’s the second best RB in draft behind Spiller, mainly because of Spiller’s return ability. Ironically, ESPN’s draft blog focused on Best today and said the following (insider only):
The film shows that Best made the most of the blocking he did get, making good decisions and getting downhill quickly to take advantage of whatever openings were available to him. Perhaps most telling is that Best did not have a single carry for negative yards. That’s always a clear indication that a back is running hard and taking whatever the defense gives him.
Best also showcased his versatility on an 11-yard touchdown catch in the first quarter. On the play he lined up in the right slot and did an excellent job selling an inside move before breaking outside. Best caught the ball cleanly away from his body and showed good power and wiggle to get into the end zone, showing NFL scouts that he can make plays in the passing game.
It’s hard not to compare Best to Clemson RB C.J. Spiller because they flash similar explosiveness and versatility. Spiller contributes more as a return man but Best certainly has the potential to develop that area of his game. Like Spiller, Best will not be an every-down power back but getting him 20 touches in various ways will present problems for defenses because he is a threat to score every time he gets the ball in his hands.
Overall, Best ranks as the No. 2 running back on the board right now — just behind Spiller — and projects to come off the board late in the first round.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best will be better than Spiller
I’m not sure if either of them are not overrated though. I wouldn’t go Bets in the 2nd. Maybe the 3rd, which is a good rating considering it would be purely bpa, rather than need
by dbcouver on Nov 3, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They'll both go before the 2nd
Spiller is pretty much a 1st round lock
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 4, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Follett Went in Round 7
He would’ve been a depth pick in the late rounds. He was projected around the 3-5th round range, and was still available until round 7.
Last year, we went exactly how I hoped in the first two rounds. Laurinitis is a stud. Follett wouldn’t have been right after him. We could’ve grabbed him in round 6 for a good value.
Still…that was just one example. I’m not torn up about Follett, but he did have a great college career. It’s really just that it happens year after year.
USC, Cal, and even Oregon for that matter are often ignored.
by Oski Bear on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like having lots of 5-7 round picks
It’s like having your pick of the rest for little value.
by dbcouver on Nov 3, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Idea: make the outside of the helmet as padded as the inside.
CGB: Resisting Hope Since 2007
by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 3, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or they could just wear David Wright's helmet.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 3, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Take em off
Like Joe Montana says, if you want to stop tacklers from leading with the helmet, just take them off. No one is going in head first then, baby.
Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.
by CoachConnors on Nov 3, 2009 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just ask a rugby player.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Nov 3, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rugby is the most insane sport ever invented
I’m still not sure how people can agree to play while sober.
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In *St. Louis* his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well, *Steven Jackson* was the best.
by 3k on Nov 3, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem isn't helmet to helmet contact
if the tackler keeps his head up as he is supposed to do. The problem is when they lower their head and lead with the crown of the helmet. Hitting hard and trying to demolish the other guy is fine if you do it with your head up so your mask makes the contact. Lowering the head so the crown of the helmet makes first contact should be an automatic fine every time. Leading with the crown of the helmet is intent to injure – it’s certainly not the way anyone is coached to tackle because you can end up ruining your own neck.
by andyrose on Nov 3, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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