Should the Rams be afraid of Rush Limbaugh as an owner?
There's not a whole lot of randomness to share this morning. That's kind of a shocker that nobody's writing about an 0-4 team.
With Rush Limbaugh in the news as a potential owner of the Rams, should Rams fans be concerned? No, nothing to do with his political slant, but his past suggestions for crappy teams hits a little close to home. Check it out:
You can just close down the Detroit Lions, close down the Cincinnati Bengals, and you wouldn’t have to cut anybody other than the players.
Uh oh, could the Rams be among those nobody-would-miss teams?
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With Checketts and Limbaugh, the Rams would stay in St. Louis.
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Exactly
and there’s more than enough money between those two to not have to worry about money going forward.
I’m all for it.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
If there is no salary cap next year,
wouldn’t it be better for the Rams to go to a bigger city, like L. A., so they could bring in more money to spend on free agents?
S-St. Louis, R-Rams, D-Dallas, M-Mavericks, A-Arizona, D-Diamondbacks.
i'd be fine with that
but LA has a terrible track record of supporting their NFL teams.
Maybe London? Ha!
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by Ryan Van Bibber on Oct 6, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
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Free Brandon Wood!
I live 2000 miles away from St louis
and I can see that St Louis is the best place for us. It’s a great sports town. I don’t care who owns the team if they can run the business, and hire good football people, and spend money Remember, theres no salary cap on FO and coaching staff.
A move to LA is not in the cards
the demographics and the economics just don’t measure up.
VanRam is on to something when he says that “LA” (or whatever you think about the extended area and its fanbase) will be luke-warm to a new team.
And given the existing team’s history is grounded in St. Louis, it simply wouldn’t translate well. In other words, St Louis Rams fans wouldn’t become LA Rams fans.
Perhaps just as importantly, the team is in no position to be packing up to move in this economic climate. Furthermore, to be ready to move means a return to financial health, but if the good ole days return, why would you leave?
No, the Rams are staying in St. Louis.
Not that this concerns me as a fan of the Rams
since I’m a Giants fan, but Spags was my favorite coach and I really do want the NFL as a whole to prosper.
I'm telling you...
that those comments Jerry Jones made are haunting me and I can’t get them out of my mind:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4469721
Now I pray that it doesn’t go away because I think that one of the main reasons that the NFL has seen its meteoric rise year over year in revenue and interest is the parity created by revenue sharing and the salary cap. If both of those are lost then its likely the league will become the “have’s” and the “have not’s” similar to baseball. While it doesn’t gaurantee success (Mets/Cubs), it does put you at an overwhelming competitive advantage.
So if that is the case – get LA and Toronto on the phone because those markets will be able to generate much more revenue due to market size. I am a Rams fan no matter what – but I’d prefer to be a Rams fan with a team that can pay to be competitive in an uncapped, nonrevenue sharing world.
Free Brandon Wood!
We don't need a big mouth as an owner
I was watching the pregame show on ESPN when Limbaugh made those infamous comments about McNabb. We don’t need a big mouth like Limbaugh, who will end up putting his foot in his mouth every other day. We need an owner who is low profile. Rush will be an absolute disaster.
i like rush
i think it’d be a great thing. He used to like the rams back in 2003 i remember listening to him on the radio always talking about how we have too many weapons for teams to deal with. Plus this is his dream to own a nfl team i think he’d do us some good.
As long as he becomes a minority partner
with no say in the operation of the team, it will be fine. I am pretty sure that he thinks he knows as much about football as he thinks he knows about politics. If he ends up responsible for FO hiring decisions, in the long run he will surround himself with yes men and the Rams will end up making the Raiders look like a well run organization.
Dave Checketts would NEVER stand for that.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
You don't seem to understand how these deals develop
If anything, the Front Office decisions have already been made and Limbaugh has already had his say.
Any move of this magnitude involves contingency plans and guidelines, contractual negotiations, severance, a host of legal coordination, etc., all to make certain that when a move DOES happen, the transition is neither disruptive nor acrimonious.
Are there last-minute changes and unforseen circumstances?
Sure.
But businessmen like Checketts and Limbaugh have enough saavy to have covered all the bases.
You’ll notice that liberal sports media outlets (including ESPN pundits) are acting like this is “OK with them”.
Of course, they don’t like it. But they’re going to roll with it because the last thing they need is to have the owners slam their doors in ESPN reporters’ faces (the owners have no beef with Limbaugh and some are his biggest fans).
So hoping Limbaugh hasn’t approved the executive staffing already is a moot point.
Learn something about the business world.
White House
Between you and me, I don’t you guys will have to worry about getting to the white house :p
you watch out in 2011
seriously.
find me under the fan voices section for the st. louis rams
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 6, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Rush would be like Dan Snyer.
He’s an arm chair QB with no idea how to run a football team. If he hires a top flight GM and stays hand-off he has a chance of succeeding, but I think his ego is so massive he would meddle too much.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Limbaugh understands how personell decisions are supposed to be made.
He’s not a young George Steinbrenner.
He’s been around the block.
Rush Limbaugh IS A SCUM BAG
After being a Rams fan for 50 years i would stop watching this team if that scum bag is the owner ,no fucking way
by james535 on Oct 6, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions
Here's a thought
LOYALTY TO THE TEAM!! If you would abandon your team because of a PARTNER owner, then go right ahead. What if one of our players came out supporting your political views? Would you stick around then?
It’s not like the team will be flying a GOP flag when they come out of the tunnel.
I'm not sure about that...
Limbaugh is an extremely polarizing figure. Many pundits claim that he has become the unofficial spokesman for the Republican party. I don’t know how true this is, but it is something that will alienate much of the fan base. Many liberals might stay away from games thinking that the team is front for the GOP. They may not want their fan dollars going to the Rams…ergo…Limbaugh.
im a huge rush fan
but that would be really funny if we won the super bowl while obama was still in office and did the photo op thier.
I can't believe
Limbaugh would be the lead owner when Checketts is involved. He (Checketts) has done a great job leading the Blues back to contention and I think he would do the same with the Rams. Rush may have the big name (and mouth), but Checketts has the smarts and would be the boss if he is involved. I think Checketts and Kroenke could pretty well push Rush into the background when dealing with actually running the team.
I think you're into wishful thinking
First by pretending that Limbaugh will be marginalized, then by pretending that Limbaugh is some brainless, superficial investor who doesn’t know what he’s doing with his own money.
The guy is a shrewd businessman, and his voice carries weight in the NFL, both in its business model and its fanbase.
his voice carries weight in the NFL, ? what a comedian you are
you remember how fast they caned his fat ass on ESPN after his racial coment about Macnab lol he is a big mouth rasist peace of shit
by james535 on Oct 7, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
30 years of loyalty will be washed away
I’ve been a Rams fan since I was six-years old. If Fat Basterd buys the Rams, I will burn every piece of Ram gear I own.
I just noticed this is your first comment on SBnation
You wouldn’t happen to be a leftist troll who only joined to take a potshot at Limbaugh would you?
Nah.
That would be too typical/predictable.
He's not a Ram's fan.
He’s just some political hack who joined SBNation to make snarky comments about Limbaugh.
I'm not sure if he's a Rams fan or not
but nevertheless, personal attackes or name calling or political name calling or whatever it is you’re doing is not permitted here at TST. If he turns out to be a troll, I’ll handle it.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
"Carry-over" effect.
See above with JAWells, and below where it’s explained.
This is actually happening all over the net on political blogs talking about the Rams.
It will explode if Rush and Checketts win the bid.
what are you talking about?
Btw, got a link for those political blogs that are blowing up talking about the Rams?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
I'm not talking to an adult.
I got it.
Here’s one from the Huffingtonpost, a popular/notorious liberal political blog.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/rush-limbaugh-in-bid-for_n_310850.html
The Limbaugh story is 24 hours old and already there’s more than 25 pages of 700+ comments [and growing].
One article. 700 comments (imagine if the turfshowtimes got this traffic).
It’s not the only article from the HuffingtonPost about the Rams either.
The newmedia is approaching a thousand articles . Again, it’s only been 24 hours and Limbaugh hasn’t even won the bid.
Don’t even ask about the conservative political blogs.
Please use something called a “search engine”.
Rush Limbaugh
will be a huge fan draw for the Rams.
You’ll basically be getting advertisements and props broadcast to 30 million Americans on a consistent basis.
Imagine, if you will, Rams updates being nationally broadcast EVERY day.
The Rams might rival the Cowboys as America’s team at that rate.
As for Limbaugh’s business sense, he and Checketts are both business saavy.
Regardless, if certain Rams fans can’t put up with a conservative owner, guess what?
There aren’t that many teams in the NFL that aren’t conservative.
Sounds like you have been getting some of your information from Rush
who likes to claim that 30 million weekly listeners equates to 30 million different Americans listening.
Learn something about the business world.
Who's talking about 30 million "a week"?
I’m talking about 30 million (possibly more) dedicated fans, not counting the influence he has with half the country and the amount of attention and derangement he induces in the other half.
And you don’t understand the marketing tool of demos and their evaluation.
The vaguaries of demos is inexact, but the point is not to garner simply “unique” hits but to “estimate for purposes of trends”. That means: judging the “enthusiasm”, not simply a barren “number” for a theme or trend.
This isn’t “bean-counting”.
Why do you think pollsters are differentiating between “strongly approve” and “approve” in their polls?
Because those who merely “approve” are often ineffectual and apathetic when it comes to detecting trends.
The mood of those who “strongly approve” (or disapprove) are the “dedicated fans”. They are more likely to drive the trend in their direction – the moderates are merely sheep who follow the trend.
Also,
You’ll have to consider that if some Rams fans do bolt, there will be far more new Rams fans to take their place.
Don’t be surprised to see the Rams fanbase grow drastically within the first few years if Checketts and Limbaugh make a successful bid.
I think you might be over-valuing Rush Limbaugh influence with random football fans.
So, these “new” fans you speak of. Are they currently fans of another football team? So, we’re to expect Raven fans and Chief fans and Giants fans and Dolphin fans to just up and change allegiance simply because of Rush Limbaugh?
Or are they currently sans favorite football team (which means they probably don’t like football anyway) and are willing to be new Rams fans simply because of Rush? Yeah, we need more fans who don’t live in St. Louis, who don’t like football. That should really sell seats in the dome.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
One example is the carry-over effect...
…in which a seemingly disparate or isolated factor influences another factor.
Take a look at Michael Jordan when he joined the White Sox organization, or more recently, Yao Ming joining the Rockets.
In both cases, these [inter]national figures were able to focus [inter]national attention on their organizations.
Attention on what?
The White Sox and the Rockets?
No. At least, not exactly.
On the MLB and the NBA.
These figures successfully spread enthusiasm for a game to people who were, at first, apathetic – even ignorant. This, then, carried over into seemingly uninvolved areas like Italy and Mongolia.
Michael Jordan introduced baseball to many basketball fans. Sure, they knew about baseball on an intellectual level, but many baseketball players in the inner city knew little or nothing about the game (President Obama is one of the more high-profile examples). And Baseball fans disaffected by the ’94 strike nevertheless kept reading baseball scores while Jordan played for the Barons. It kept the game alive.
As for Yao Ming, many Chinese, who knew nothing about Basketball, nevertheless cheered him on in the States. If the game was already “catching on” in China before Yao Ming came to America, it absolutelyy caught fire when he joined the Rockets, spreading interest for the game into dissociated parts of China’s society like Mah Jong, Ping Pong and Badminton associations, planting the seeds for growing the NBA’s fanbase.
Will a Giants fan see Rush Limbaugh and suddenly switch his loyalty to St. Louis?
Hell no.
You’ve either misunderstood, or failed to grasp the most basic business principle in sports.
The Rams, like the White Sox or the Rockets, are not isolated/monolithic organizations unto themselves. It is more accurate to say that they are subsidiaries or even competing divisions/departments within a larger corporate conglomerate: the NFL, the MLB and the NBA.
What benefits the larger conglomerate will inevitably benefit even its weakest department. And that department’s performance is not directly incumbent on its performance on the gridiron, nor even its performance at the ticket counter.
To put it in simple terms you can understand: It is incumbent on the Rams’ ability to generate interest and revenue for the NFL as a whole.
The Chicago Cubs are financially one of the most successful teams in the world of sports.
They’re also historically one of the worst teams on the diamond.
The example you provide are apples and oranges compared to the Rams and Limbaugh.
First. Jordan and the White Sox. He had no effect on (or any effect that is at all measurable in any stretch of the imagination) on inner city fandom of baseball (or whatever it is you’re implying) in Chicago. Trust me. I live and work in Chicago. I remember back when he played 1 game for the White Sox and that game didn’t even count. It was an exhibition against the Cubs. Jordan probably had more of an effect on the fans of Birmingham than he did in Chicago since it was Birmingham that he played for that season.
There was an influx of Jordan jerseys being bought by some Bulls fans at the time, but that went away. If he exposed some basketball fans to baseball here in Chicago (and with two teams here, it’s hard to find anyone without a team affiliation here), then it wasn’t that many or enough to really make a lasting effect.
Yao Ming. This doesn’t even come close to being a fair comparison. You’re basically comparing the Non-sports fans of the GOP to the entire country of China. China was an untapped market. Non-sports fans of the GOP have no interest in sports for a reason and having Rush own a football team isn’t going to change a thing.
And the Cubs are successful (financially) because of two reasons. First, WGN. And second, their story.
But ultimately, and the only point you are making that I agree with, is yes it is important for the Rams to positively effect the NFL. Rush Limbaugh really does nothing to help that. Hell, the argument could be made that he actually hurts it since if he and Checketts were to buy the team, there’s no way in hell they’d move to LA. A place where the market is astronomically larger than St. Louis. The marketing possibilities are through the roof compared to St. Louis. And there’s already a fan base in place that would welcome the team back with open arms.
What the NFL is going to have a problem with in LA is when they move the Chargers or the Vikings or whoever it is they’re talking about now to LA, is they’ll have to develop a fan base amongst a fan base that already cheers for another team (the Rams).
So anyway, Rush buying the Rams might provide a bump in some category that is positive for the NFL (it would definitely be positive for St. Louis), but it’ll be negligible. And it won’t be as large as moving the Rams to LA would provide the League.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
You're confusing "laws and metaphysics" with "scale"
Whether you’ve done so intentionally or not is not my concern.
The GOP is not as big as China? Really?
Gee, I had no idea.
Teach me another one, and while you’re at it, learn the difference between a “concept” and a “number”.
But whether you’ve intentionally misunderstood or not is not my concern.
What we’re concerned with here is the swarming phenomena of social animals in which a catalyst (a prominent figure) causes the swarm to converge around a central theme (or a multitude of related themes).
A herd, a pack, a flock, a clique, crowd, a party, a mob, a colony, a country – it makes no difference what scale you use to parse my language; it all refers to the same type of population behaviorial psychology.
The White Sox organization failed to capitalize on Michael Jordan’s “buzz”. That doesn’t mean that the Rams have to make the same mistake when and if they are presented with the same opportunity.
And your bit about the Cubs is superfluous; thanks for reinforcing my point.
As for the Rams in LA, we disagree. Relocations are expensive and risky and one of the most simple-minded – but effective – predictors of business ventures is that management will submit to bureaucratic inertia, the path of least resistance, the course of minimal potential risk especially given the uncertainty of limited rewards. LA isn’t THAT big a prize in California’s economic environment and, as you say, the market may already be saturated.
I say the Rams stay in St. Louis (It’s not even close, really).
But if you think otherwise, well, we’ll see soon enough won’t we?
Well I don't know how much the White Sox failed to capatilize on Jordan
He sucked at baseball – how long can a “buzz” last for a one year player in AA Birmingham, AL while striking out 25% of the time hitting .200 with 11 E’s in the field. Thats pretty bad….
Hey everybody – come on down to Birmingham AL, watch the greatest basketball player on earth suck as baseball! Two lucky fans will be pulled from the stands to strike him out!
Free Brandon Wood!
Rush can personally generate a HUGE amount of interest for football.
Industry employees, employers, owners and reporters, they all know this instinctually. Even people who hate Rush will unwittingly make his team successful by hating the Rams.
Do you hate the Cowboys or the Yankees?
Most sports fans do.
But every time you watch their games on television, read about them on the Rams or Cardinals sports blogs (at the same time skimming over the advertisements), every time an announcer takes time during a sports announcement to discuss the “Evil Empire” or take a swipe at the “Death Star”, every time you change your daily behaviour at the water cooler, or discuss how overrated or overpaid they are, every time you unwittingly spreading their influence to your friends – any little nuance and more – and you’ve become an agent to their success.
The Rams don’t have to be “America’s Team”.
With Rush, they can hold their own and reclaim their financial health, even come back from the cellar of the NFL.
They have the fundamentals for market success, given the right direction.
If Rush and Checketts succeed in their bid, Rush will give your team an immediate boost before they even get out of the gate. He’ll focus attention on them and generate a torrent of interest through his army of listeners (and his listeners’ listeners). Sports broadcasters like ESPN, who revile Rush, would be wise to downplay the change in ownership for fear of spreading his team’s popularity (and even unpopularity).
I have nothing against this sports blog, but it will be a grain of sand next to the boulder of a Rams blog on Rushlimbaugh.com.
However, this is NOT a zero-sum game. Rush will inevitably link to Turfshowtimes.com. Do you have any idea what that will do to your hit counter?
And (assuming this all takes place) whether the Rams can take advantage of this and run with the ball – that will be up to the team on the field in the years to come.
"Rush will inevitably link to Turfshowtimes.com. Do you have any idea what that will do to your hit counter?"
Hmmm….kinda like being linked to Yahoo.com?
Once again, your fandom of Rush Limbaugh is outstanding. But he’s just a man and the biggest contribution he can make is to St. Louis and keeping the Rams where they are right now.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
You don't like Rush.
I got it.
But pretending he won’t make a difference in the media market when he has a stake in the Rams is willful ignorance.
If he does get his stake, I expect you’ll be up in arms with indignation or resigned to it after the fact.
Either way, it’ll be like the Cowboys or the Yankees.
Whether you hate them or like them, you won’t be able to ignore them.
Meat heads
For those of you saying that you would bolt simply because Limbaugh was a PARTNER in the ownership of the Rams, you are NOT true fans of the team. Why do you think so many loyal Raider fans stick around while they watch Al Davis destroy a once mighty franchise??? Because they love their team, that’s why.
Laying political affiliation to the side, you have to understand that Limbaugh is a very shrewd businessman. He didn’t make it big by being a moron. When he negotiated his first major contract for his show, he refused a massive salary in exchange for a percentage of the advertisement revenue. He made a killing!! So don’t cast him out just because you disagree with his political views.
You have to realize that he is not in this alone. Limbaugh, Checkett, and whomever else is a partner will all have a say in this.
As for that putrid link on this article about Limbaugh’s views concerning the NFL, what bunk!! The idiot that wrote piece of garbage has no idea how to take Limbaugh. Rush is one of the most sarcastic people on the radio. Do you think we should take Stern at face value and believe everything he says? These guys make statements sometimes for the pure entertainment value. I guess you could call Rush the “shock jock” of political talk.
The whole Limbaugh/McNabb situation, I think, was taken way out of context. At the time Rush said what he did, all we were hearing about was how great it was to have a black QB succeeding in the NFL. I’ll be honest, I was sick of hearing about it myself! Who cares what color a guy is. If he can play, then great! I’m Native American and not once have I wondered why we don’t have any “representation” in the NFL, or been offended about team mascots. Cut the PC crap and play ball damnit!!
Limbaugh made a true statement that threatened to expose too much:
that the media gravitated towards black quarterbacks because they were….
….Black.
So Limbaugh was actually exposing the media’s racism, not his own.
With all the positive coverage and excuses for quarterbacks like Mcnabb (never mind Vick), the point that sports reporters give black quarterbacks a pass is not in dispute.
The dispute is over whether Limbaugh should have been so “racist” as to expose true racism.
lol
thats funny db but i agree i do love rush and i love anyone who wants to overall help this franchise enough said liberal or conservative.
Just to be perfectly clear to everyone here.
This is a St. Louis Rams Football Blog.
This is not a sounding board for people who either like or dislike Rush Limbaugh.
Outsiders are welcome but not when their sole purpose is to drive an agenda. We welcome fans from other teams but pleased be prepared to talk about Rams football or our opponents.
Thank you.
FWIW, I’ve changed my mind about having Limbaugh own this team especially if it brings this to TST.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Thanks, TB
I love Rams football…who owns the team and what their politics are is of little concern to me…I just want the team to stay and thrive in St. Louis…I’m not a fan of Limbaugh at all, but if he accomplishes that, he’ll have my gratitude.
+1
I don’t come to sports blog to hear about politics. I am not a fan of Limbaugh at all, but if he along with Checketts and Kroenke can produce a winning environment while leaving political views/adgendas away from the management of the team – then I have no issues.
But make no mistake – Rush is about as polarizing as you can get so there is bound to be a lot of negativity as well as positive. The hope is that the negative doesn’t become so imbalanced that things don’t become outlandish – like players, etc not coming to play here.
Free Brandon Wood!
Well it happened...
Players stating that they won’t play in St Louis if Rush is owner….no way can they allow him as an owner if that is the case.
Free Brandon Wood!
too much politics on a sports blog for me honestly just cut the shit
by james535 on Oct 7, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions
Are you 12?
You have posted 8 childish comments on this subject and now since someone else said to stop you jumped in. Grow up!
Perhaps you could cut the racial slurs?
That should even be a question. You know better.
I believe in 2010

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