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Picking the Best Available Talent: Smith vs Curry

Okay, so we've heard a lot of talk around here lately about the best strategy to use when drafting during a rebuild.  Do you pick for need or pick best available talent.  Obviously, there can be an argument made for either strategy, but you have to take each situation as a unique situation.  For the Rams, I think the consensus around here is they went "need" followed by "best available".  I'm not 100% sold on that though, so I figured I'd take a deeper look into what was known last year heading up to the draft to try to see if I can find anything.

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So, as we all know, the Rams chose not to pick Aaron Curry (or Mark Sanchez) with their 2nd overall pick (btw, neither did the Lions.......but I'm not sure that's a vote of confidence) and instead took OT Jason Smith.  There were plenty of draftniks and experts who lauded the combine performance of Aaron Curry which vaulted him into almost super-human ranks.  And as we know, the media never over-reacts to things like the draft or an awesome game and extrapolates that performance over a player's career.  Never, right? 

Anyway, let's look at Aaron Curry's college career at Wake Forest. 

Well, he was pretty good (to say the least).  One could say he was a tacklin' machine recording 81, 99, and 101 tackles his final 3 years at WF.  However, one might look at his big play stats (turnovers and sacks) and think they should be a little higher for someone labeled the best player in the draft.  In 2006, Curry recorded 3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and 1 INT.  In 2007, he tallied, 3 sacks, 2 FF, and 4 INTs.  Then in 2008, he had 2 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 INT. 

Jim Laurinaitis, whom the Rams picked in the 2nd round, had total tackles of 116, 121, and 130 in his last 3 years.  In 2006 he combined for 4 sacks, 3 FF, and 5 INTs.  In 2007, he had 5 sacks, 0 FF, and 2 INTs.  Then in 2008 he totaled 4 sacks, 1 FF, and 2 INTs.

Over the same 3 seasons, Curry amassed 281 tackles, 8 sacks, 5 FF, and 6 INTs while Laurinaitis had totals of 367 tackles, 13 sacks, 4 FF, and 9 INTs.  By the way, Laurinaitis had 251 tackles in his last two seasons which is almost as many as Curry totaled in his final 3 seasons at WF.

Just looking at those rough stats, I think one would have a diffucult time making the argument that Curry was better than Laurinaitis, let alone the best player in the draft hands down.  Was Curry over-rated or was Laurinaitis under-rated according to those stats?

Okay, so in looking at that, it doesn't look like Curry was head and shoulders the best player in the draft.  But, that's not exactly what it's all about, right?  We need to know how athletic a guy is and what kind of character he brings.  Curry was definitely a physical specimen at the combine and made front page news on ESPN.com with his physical prowess.  Let see what was being said:

From NFL.com:

He has very good athleticism making plays in front of him, but bites often on play-action, lacks good depth playing in the zone and is a bit too stiff to generate the sideline-to-sideline range to make impact plays on the outside, where he struggles to stop the runner's forward momentum. He can clog the rush lanes when he stays low in his pads. Put him inside in a 3-4 alignment and he can be equally productive getting to the quarterback as he did in college. Play him on the outside and he will be exposed in a quick and deep passing game.

Okay, so it seems his athleticism was by far his greatest asset and I doubt many here would disagree with that.  Then again, this might be why he was so popular with the talking heads after his performance at the combine.  He blew the competition out of the water at the combine, but as we all know there have been plenty of players who impressed there but did less than impress once they stepped on the field.

Was there too much importance placed on Curry's combine?  Probably.  Don't get me wrong, he was a heck of a player at Wake Forest, but was he, hands down, the best player available?  I don't think that's completely clear, especially when a guy who put up better numbers than he did got drafted in the 2nd round.  Why was Laurinaitis drafted lower?  Answer: It all had to do with physicality. 

Alright, so we've talked about Aaron Curry for a while here but we've yet to discuss Jason Smith.  Well, finding stats on an college Offensive Lineman that gives us a good idea of his impact is a little difficult so let's just look at what was said about him on NFL.com:

Smith needs to add at least another 20 pounds of bulk to handle the rigors of playing left tackle at the next level. His lack of great footwork and need to improve his stance could be covered up better playing inside for a year or two because he's still a neophyte at the left tackle position (19 starts). Once his body matures, his athletic skills will make him a quality left tackle in the mold of another former college tight end, Jason Peters (Buffalo).

Guess what sticks out to me?  Two words....."tight end".  I remember making the statement before the draft that I was sick of hearing about Smith being a "converted tight end" but let's not look past that and realize what is being said here.  Smith was always been looked at as someone who needed to put on weight and was still developing, but his "athletic skills" were never in question and were always lauded.  Every where you look on that page (if you click the link) you'll see descriptions like "ultra-athletic", "tall, athletic", "outstanding athleticism".  It also talks about him being a "neophyte" at the left tackle position and that once he matures into his body he'll be a "quality left tackle".  He's "raw".

Guess, what I'm noticing....  Curry and Smith were probably the two top athletes in the draft and which one was more "athletic" might not be so clear. 

Sure, we all remember how much Curry was lauded because of his performance at the combine, but for some reason we fail to remember that Smith was talked about in the same vein.  He was a "converted tight end" with "outstanding athleticism".  We also have forgotten that he wasn't supposed to step right in and be Orlando Pace.  Honestly, he may never be Orlando Pace, but is that even a realistic expectation?  All along he was supposed to develop over time and with only having three games under his belt, it might be a little early to be making any judgements.

So, back to the question at hand.  Did the Rams employ the "need" strategy or the "best available talent" strategy.  I was starting to think it was "need" but now after remembering the hype that surrounded Smith, I'm thinking it might have been a combination of the two. 

What happens when you have two guys who are both considered great athletes and are at the top of your list?  How do you differentiate between the two?  Well, I think in that case you figure it's a no-lose situation and you go with the greater need.  Now, at this point, it all comes down to opinion.  No matter what, the Rams weren't going to draft a QB in the first round so if anyone is out there thinking "hey, what about Sanchez?" well, it wasn't going to happen with Bulger's contract situation.  But, where the decision lies is, what does the team need more?  A Left Tackle or a Middle Linebacker?

And I think an arguement could have been made for either, but the stronger arguement probably lies with Left Tackle, since they could always just keep Witherspoon in the midde, which is what I suspect is the conclusion the Rams draft team arrived at on that day.

So, in the end, the Rams drafted an extremely athletic Left Tackle who is expected to and should mature and develop into a very good Tackle down the line and a hell of a middle linebacker who has the ability to lead the defense for years.  It could have been much worse.  We could have drafted Nate Davis to be our new Nickle Back.

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And to be less time-constrained, we’re banging this drum in the middle of their rookie seasons. It’s very difficult to try and gauge these two fairly at this point without the benefit of a couple of years of play to really compare the two.

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by 3k on Oct 28, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

So, as we all know, the Rams chose not to pick Aaron Curry (or Mark Sanchez) with their 2nd overall pick (btw, neither did the Lions…….but I’m not sure that’s a vote of confidence)

nope we got Stafford and by the numbers and on the field has looked better check this video out al lot of throws that most R cant make

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/10/23/1098219/matthew-stafford-the-great-detroit

and we got levy who i would not say looks better then curry but looks just as good and we got him in the 3rd i believe

i didn’t read the hole post but IMO smith will do fine i don’t know he is ready to be moved to LT yet but even if he isn’t don’t have much to lose right?? only bad things i have heard about him is he was vary over weight when the season started.. but i think he is ok now??

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Oct 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

Levy looks like a decent ball player i’ll give you that and i believe he hasn’t had as much playing time as curry as well. But both these guys are makeing plays so we’ll have to wait til the end of the season to judge. And the stafford and sanchez debate i haven’t seen enough to make an opinion really. And great fan post tackle i never thought about that scenario of why we picked Smith like that and as frustrating as it is to not see your 1st round pick play as much, i think we made the right decision and he will be a very good OT he just needs to mature. And to me i would defiantly rather have Laurenatis then Curry. James is so productive he was around the ball on almost every play in college and was reliable also consistent.

by keeperskillz24 on Oct 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont know much about isto but

i have been reading a few post by rams fans over the last week all seem to like him and he has good stats so we will see

even with him i still think Brandon Pettigre (lions rook TE) will have a good game this week he has not lived up to the hype yet but when he does get the ball he is hard to bring down.. and has admited the he needs to play better

but we will see

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Oct 28, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and you have to remember with us

We usualy have trouble against good tight ends. ( or any eligible receiver on the play haha) so we will see, im looking forward to this game because you really don’t know who’s going to win.

by keeperskillz24 on Oct 28, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes and no

it might just be b/c i am a fan but if CJ is playing i dont think we will lose
any given sunday i know
but yall dont have anyone that can cover him

stafford is looking like he will play cj is still a 50-50

i really only wored about jackson…i see him haveing 2-3 like 20 yard runs but reast being like 2 yard runs that how are run D has been so far anyway

with CJ
27lions 17 rams
with out
21 lions 17 rams

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Oct 28, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just being a fan, too

but I believe the Rams will win this game. But I believed when we were playing Washington and Jacksonville, too, so I’m not sure it means much;)

by Toddius on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

great article

nicely done tackle box. I admit I was on the Curry bandwagon during the draft and thought the Rams made a mistake by passing on him, but give Smith time and I believe he will prosper into one of the best LT’s in the game. Given Smith being a former TE, I would still like to see the Rams pull a trick play on the Goal Line with a pass to Smith in the flats.

by adam2588 on Oct 28, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I see other picks out performing Smith

        But I was always ok with our 1st 2 picks. Other than trading down, and thats been over debated, it’s the 2nd day that I questioned. None of this is the reason we haven’’t won yet. We got lucky Laurinitis was still available. More than Curry being overrated, I think James was underrated. Lets face it, judging tackles out of college is almost a crap shoot, sans Pace, Jones, or the like. I see no problem with making Smith our LT now. We may as well try to decide if he will work out there by the end of the season.
        You can definitely put me in the talent/value over need camp. At least for the next 2 drafts.

by dbcouver on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

In the old days----

Some coaches in the late 50’s and 60’s tried some really funky stuff, and sometime it really worked. ie…who better to defeat an OL? another OL! sometime they were switched. Sometime a DL was switched to the OL for a game to defeat another specified DL. It made for real good games. New rookies were never picked for need, but for pure toughness. Not much was said about “skill” positions.

by Knoxfan on Oct 28, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

we did some of that in the packers game

one of are gards played DT

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Oct 28, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

2nd Overall Pick

should not come into the NFL and play RT for a while till he’s ready. 2nd overall pick should be someone who comes in and makes an impact right away. If Smith wasnt ready to play LT on day one then maybe he should’nt have been picked. Jake Long made an immediate impact on Miami w/o playing the right side…….Orlando Pace, the same result…..if there was no LT last year that could come in and be a LT his first year, the we should have picked another position……….Sanchez, Crabtree(without the drama), and others are making an immediate impact on teams that arent that great. JL has made me forget about Curry and I’m not saying we should have taken him #2(curry) overall, but there were other options. Finally, the one thing really scares me about Smith….a few years back there was another LT drafted 2 or 3 overall who also played TE in college, his name is Robert Gallery of the Oakland Raiders………TE’s turned LT’s are not always a good thing.

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by JordansDad on Oct 28, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Disagree

The strategy with drafting Smith was to find someone that would elevate Steven Jackson.

by blindmouse on Oct 28, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with disagree

I remember a lot of talk about smith and Jax. We were to build up the RT with smith and use Karney to blast the secondary.

by Knoxfan on Oct 28, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The nice thing about knowing your team is gonna suck for a couple years is that you can draft guys that have more upside and bring them along.

It’s not like Jason Smith’s inexperience is gonna cost us a playoff game or something. I’d rather have a guy bring us from 10 to 12 wins 3 years from now than 2 to 4 wins this year.

by hisTALLness on Oct 28, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Do Believe

you need to build a team from the inside out, but maybe last year wasnt the year to take a LT at #2 then have him play RT which is completely opposite and requires different practicing techniques………

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by JordansDad on Oct 28, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

You can teach someone how to block but............

you can not teach good hands, speed, arm strength, and to be a high motor guy. I think they have wasted to much time money and draft picks on O-line and D-line men. When there are plunty of avalible guys already in the NFL. I’m not saying Curry or the San-chise would of been a better picks. But these were guys that had incredible TALENT ( key word ) guys with intangibles that you can not coach. O-linemen with the skillz of being 300+ pounds and around 6 foot 5 and good foot work should not be takin over a guy that can run a 4.3 or throw the ball 60 yards.

by Go_Blues on Oct 28, 2009 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

on the flip side

that kind of talent often doesn’t translate. How many workout warriors fail in the NFL?

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by 3k on Oct 28, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Jets wanted Sanchez so bad...

…we could of probably picked him and traded them out of 3-4 NFL calibre players. Smith may well develop into a great O-Lineman, but I personally doubt it. Recall that he had a bad training camp and was frustrated by an old goat like Leonard Little. Smith barely beat out Adam Goldberg for the starting slot at RT. Then, the few games he’s played so far have been poor to mediocre and he quickly succumbed to injury. He’s certainly no immediate impact player like Jake Long. Thus, I’ll never understand why the Rams rushed to pick him so high when there were many quality O-Lineman available in the 2nd or 3rd rounds…

by edpjr on Oct 28, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions  

What do you mean my point?

It’s been three games. You’re writing him off as being mediocre and unworthy of the second pick based on three games.

by blindmouse on Oct 29, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

OOPS--

I was to quick to jump at your post-I just did the knee-jerk thing. Old guys do that somethime.

by Knoxfan on Oct 29, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH the Irony

Wouldn’t it have been so cool to have done that and got a buncha picks, then see Sanchez head down hill like he’s doing?

by Knoxfan on Oct 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a good draft class

Having such a high pick last year really didnt mean much to me. There was only one real top end talent guy in my opinion, and he turned out to be a drama queen (Crabtree). Looking at all the tackle prospects (Oher, A.Smith, J.Smith, E.Monroe) it was really hard to discern them, all seemed solid but none were amazing, but I was a big believer in trading down but no one wanted to i guess. I thought Eugene Monroe might have been the smarter pick but it really didn’t matter which one of those four we picked. Second round was awesome, but I mean the 3rd overall pick was Tyson Jackson? It was a weak draft class and I think we came out fine.

Usually you see a few rookies come out and make immediate impacts but so far the only guys I have been impressed with are the USC trio, J. Laurinaits, Sean Smith(crazy ball skills), and maybe shady Mccoy.

by kinzav29 on Oct 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I do like the Laurinaitis pic and did so from the start hes a great #2 pic

Well the Rams not only drafted on a need basis this past year but have done so for the last 5 years and it did not work ,now you might be right as far as teams are not all in the same predicament and both strategies are used to draft accordingly ,never the less as a rule the team that draft for need is usually not going to get what they are hopping for,the team that draft the best player on the bored will almost always make out better and we are the proof of that theory ,check out New England they never draft for need always taking players in second and third rounds and have had the best team for years now mater of fact they in the top 5 teams since 2001,i think it would be safer for the Rams to draft the best player on the bored period no more guessing games, and as far as Smith or Curry like 3k said we will have to wait to really know who is the better draft pic,but as it stands right now i would pic Curry over Smith as the better pic,regardless there were better player then Smith available for the Rams specially on offense running backs receivers and tightends i would have preferred to take instead of Smith,simply because the Rams needed impact players to help this team start winning again
by the way i think J. Laurinaitis was way underated in this draft by every one eccept the Rams so great pic for us

by james535 on Oct 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I would have loved to see Sanchez picked by the Rams, I know I’m a little biased but believe me the kid can play his ass off, he had his many doubters here in So Cal for a couple years while riding out his time on the bench waiting for the 2 freaks in front of him to leave, but once he got in full time he was all that and a bag of chips, the Jets will be very happy for years to come barring injuries of course

by peteyweestro on Oct 28, 2009 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Sanchez

I don’t think Sanchez would have made any difference on this team. Look at what’s around him on the Jets; good O-Line, great running game, and a good defense. Put him on the Rams and I know that at this point in the season people would be saying that same thing about him that they are saying about Smith.

It kills me when people say that we made a mistake by taking Smith #2 and he is in his first season, and it’s not even over yet! Who knows how far he will develop in the future. Granted, Jake Long came in and made an impact first season. Who’s to say Smith won’t develop into a good tackle. Guys we have no idea how he will do. I get so aggravated when a guy is declared a bust DURING his first year. By applying that thinking across the board then we would declare Howie Long, Isaac Bruce, John Elway, and on and on all busts!

In regards to the Rams trading down in the previous draft, I was one of those wishing at the time that they would have. If you recall after the draft was over it was revealed that the Rams tried to trade down, but the other teams did not see enough value to trade up. I was hoping that we would trade down and grab Oher in a later pick.

by Brendan W on Oct 28, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

good points

i couldn’t agree more, Sanchez would struggle he’s still a good quarterback but would not shine his first year as a ram as with jason smith. He would need guys like Smith blocking for him and for someone to get open for him too many problems lets just get somebody that will fill one and do it successfully. And i really wanted michel oher as well, Baltimore just knows how to draft. i think we have alot of pressure drafting in the top 5 i think if we moved down a little it would help and get a pick or player for it.

by keeperskillz24 on Oct 28, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I find it difficult

To give management credit for picking JL because let’s face it, a dead man could have made that pick. We needed a LB and Curry was available in round one and JL and Rey M were available in round two. (By the way, Rey M is also doing a great job for the 5-2 Bengals who have given up fewer points than both the Steelers and the Ravens.)

My biggest issue is that you could have had an impact LB or QB and picked up a quality OT in round two, a la Minnesota with Loadholdt. There were trading down options, there were draft and trade options, there were pre-draft trade options. But we did nothing creative; just sat there and did the boring and the obvious and now as we struggle, we’re left questioning the philosophy again.

by victorian on Oct 29, 2009 12:40 AM CDT reply actions  

You can't have it both ways.

You can’t complain that the Rams went the boring route with Smith (when you wanted them to go best available talent) and then blast them again and say they get no credit when they do go best available talent.

By that rationale, if the Rams would have drafted Curry or Sanchez (two players you deem to be better than Smith) then they shouldn’t get credit since they were lucky to be drafting where they were and those guys happened to be available.

The point of this story was to show that Smith was looked at in the same light as Curry, (i.e., super athlete) so to say that Curry was the best available talent (when he wasn’t even the best available Linebacker) and that the Rams made a huge mistake in strategy is misguided.

It looks to me like they did possibly go best available talent and then when it was unclear which player was better (of those who projected to the top of the 1st round), they looked at who had more upside and which position was more important to fill as the tie-breaker between the two.

For once, I’d like for someone to explain why Aaron Curry was the hands-down, best available talent and not base everything on his combine.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Oct 29, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I absolutely believe the Rams made the right choice. Pre-draft I was hoping they’d take an impact playmaker ala Crabtree (dodged a bullet there imo) but as I looked deeper at the players available, the team needs and the FA situation I feel OT is the right choice. The Rams couldn’t offer any of the QB’s what they’d need to succeed right now and everyone would be talking about them as “busts”. There is no denying Curry is a good player too but Smith and JL were great picks imo and will prove it over the next few seasons.

by IrishRamsFan on Oct 29, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because of his combine!

Oh, wait…you said not using his combine.

Excellent point that really destroys the idea that the Rams get no credit for picking JL.

by blindmouse on Oct 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Point Was

that Curry, besides his combine was a high character, high motor, awesome LB in college………..we could have gone Curry then JL and a LT later on and had the same results we’re getting now(a LT at RT till he develops) but had our base LB’s for 10 years to come…………or any other direction………….as i stated before, 2nd overall pick should make an immediate impact

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by JordansDad on Oct 29, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt they'd have drafted Laurinaitis after Curry.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Oct 29, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point is the exact opposite...

I don’t think Jason Smith was the best player available. Heck, he wasn’t even considered the best OT until after Andre Smith flaked at the Combine. Most draft sites/experts had A. Smith, J. Smith, M. Oher and E. Monroe pretty much equally rated.

There were also 5 other OT’s taken in the second round who in the opinion in many other draft experts and scouts, were just as good or better than the previously named four and they were Britton, Unger, Loadholt, Beatty and Vollmer. So what we have is 9 OT’s, all about equal and none projected to be the next Orlando Pace. We also have a huge need at MLB and coincidentally, a guy in Curry who is being cited, almost universally, as the best player in the draft.

Now the post asks a valid question: What was it specifically that made Curry the best? Was it Combine hype? Well I can’t speak for anyone else, but again, everything I read and heard from just about every draft site, scout, expert, pundit, coach, GM, blogger and 2 bit journalist pointed to Curry as the best. Admittedly, I never saw Curry play, never watched any film on him, never scouted him and never met him. But, when nearly the entire football world, including Devaney, is saying the same thing, namely, that Curry is the best, then I’ve got to believe there is some truth to it.
 
The ultimate point is perhaps best explained this way – irrespective of actual players: The Rams should have taken a LB or a QB first and then taken an OT in the second round because that strategy would have provided a ton of more options.

by victorian on Oct 30, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I see what you're saying.

but i do have issue with the last part. The Rams were never going to take a QB this past year. Bulger was never going to be moved because of cap reasons, so that’s all kind of a moot point. (IMO, a new QB was always part of Stage 2 of the rebuild.)

Should the Rams have taken a QB. Theoretically, sure. Obviously it is better to start development of your QB as soon as possible. But in the real world of the NFL Salary Cap that wasn’t going to happen. They had to make extra cuts and be creative as it was with the cap. Cutting Bulger would have put them in too deep a hole financially.

Of course they could have just kept Bulger, but once again they weren’t going to put that much of the payroll into one position when they had so many other areas to address.

Nevertheless, when the subject of Jason Smith comes up (and his value and worth) it’s your opinion against mine, and really the only opinion that mattered was that of Billy Devaney and the draft team. All i tried to point out was that, when you got past the hype of the combine, it wasn’t quite as clear cut as many people were shouting.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Oct 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look they all good players Curry ,Smith ,J.L ,and Santchez too

if you think about this years draft compare to other years i think we did prety well, Smith and J.L. look like sure hits and i realy do like Flecher from day one i said this kid is a stud CB when every one complained about that pic

by james535 on Oct 29, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions  

I liked Brooks Foster as well.

I just hope Fletcher can recover from the knee injury.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Oct 29, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know

I was just thinking thinking that Fletcher was quickly becoming a top CB in the league and now he has a serious knee injury that could affect him for the rest of his career. He filled a big whole at CB for us.

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by Carneros on Oct 29, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

What doesn't

fit into the “need” bucket?

Lived in LA during the Rams and Raiders days. Now based in NorCal, I am still a die hard Rams fan and Raiders season ticket holder.

by CoachConnors on Oct 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Running back.

er….starting running back.

Other than that…..good point.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

punter too. Yippee!

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by 3k on Oct 29, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Long Snapper!

oh….wait…..

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

by Tackle Box on Oct 29, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

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