The Rams have outside factors to consider for #2 pick
It's widely assumed that the Lions will take a QB, Georgia's Matt Stafford, with the first overall pick, leaving the Rams with their choice of OTs with the second pick. What happens to the Rams draft plans for the #2 pick if Detroit doesn't go that route? What if they take, heaven forbid, OT Andre Smith, still widely considered the best OT in the draft?
Leave it to the Lions to screw everything up. This is becoming a real possibility. Check out this report from SI.com's day 4 Senior Bowl report:
Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC elevated the available talent at quarterback in April's draft the minute they decided to enter the process. The question is how high will they be selected? Some prognosticators think both will be top 10 selections, but officials in Mobile felt otherwise. According to scouts, Stafford lacks top pocket passer size and makes several questionable decisions throwing the ball. Sanchez has limited experience behind center and only spent one full season as a starter. Sources from USC who came to Mobile said they fear Sanchez may turn out to be nothing more than a "one year wonder."
While it would be a real side-splitter if Detroit took another WR with their pick, like Crabtree, the most logical pick would be OT. Look no further than our own Orlando Pace to see what an essential franchise bedrock a top-flight OT is. Assuming that would be Andre Smith, the Rams then have some decision to make.
In that scenario, in my mind, the most useful thing is to trade down, to somewhere just a little lower in the top ten. That opens up some new possibilities for them to draft a LB like Rey Maualuga or use the lower pick to take an OT like Michael Oher who matches up value-wise with that slot, etc. Options man, options. We explored the Oher versus Andre Smith question a couple weeks ago.
Oher has raw talent, but as the only big name OT at the Senior Bowl, he's been up and down. The other day, he showed the athleticism that makes for an elite left tackle (from Walter Football's Senior Bowl blog):
Michael Oher displayed phenomenal footwork yet and jaw-dropping athleticism again. He didn't have a perfect practice because he was beat a few times. Linebacker Clay Matthews bull rushed him to the ground; then on the next play, Oher handled his speed off the edge very impressively. I really don't understand why so many people don't like Oher.
But yesterday, he took a step back. From Walter Football:
Ole Miss offensive tackle Michael Oher got beat once in pass protection from what I saw, and he has struggled just a little bit since his phenomenal Tuesday practice. I really was rooting for him this week, but I can't tolerate his inconsistency with technique at times, as he got too high and let defensive linemen into his body. This said, at least he is out here. He is a competitive football player. He hasn't lost any ground among the tackle class in my opinion. By far, I am sold he is the most purely talented lineman in this draft. It is just the technique issues that worry me.
With a good coach and a willingness to learn - the Rams now have the first and by all reports Oher possesses the later - those issues can be fixed. But you see where a #2 pick on a less-polished OT, who the Rams need to start immediately worries some.
Virginia OT Eugene Monroe is also an elite level OT prospect, but since he pulled out of the Senior Bowl, we'll have to wait until the Combine to see him.
Decisions, decisions, decisions. I'm not basing this on the report cited above about the Lions first overall pick, but don't be surprised if they do opt to take an OT with that pick and meet their QB needs via trade (Cassel) or free agency while they wait on next year's QBs class in the draft. The Rams will have a flexible draft board because of this, going in ready for several scenarios. Which one will it be?
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I love all the draft talk
I’ll wait until after the Senior Bowl to put out my next mock, but the Stafford v. A-Smith for #1 is becoming VERY difficult to predict. The thing about drafting Stafford is that they won’t need him to produce until year 3. Detroit needs so much work (and QB’s are often project draftees), that they could very well draft Stafford now, and use the rest of this year’s draft, next year’s and free agency from both offseasons to retool their team. Ah, draft talk; I love you.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Jan 23, 2009 8:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
and it's Detroit
so who knows what the hell could happen.
Maybe Jim Schwartz wants a stud for his defense with the first pick. that’s the beauty of the draft, it’ll change at least 10 times between now and then.
by VanRam on Jan 23, 2009 8:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are there any teams that
reportedly might be interested in trading up?
by Toddius on Jan 23, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those kinds of rumors probably won't even begin to surface until April
Teams’ management will have to identify players that they think they really need and that the only way to get them is to trade up, which is very costly, especially for a #2 pick. We’re going to have to wait until certain teams decide the price is worth it to grab a Crabtree or Curry.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Jan 23, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Firstly, I think the Rams should make some noise about “liking” Stafford if he falls to them.
If you look at teams that really need a quarterback for the future and might really want Stafford in the instance that he slips to #2, I think you could generate a pretty quick list of possibilities. However, you’re right, trading for the #2 pick is extraordinarily expensive. Using the Jimmy Johnson draft pick value chart to imagine trades, the #2 pick is worth 2600 points. Point values drop really fast… it takes two #10 picks to equal the value of a #2.
Pick 3: Chiefs. (-400 points. Give up their #3 and second round pick, this year’s or next.)
Pick 4: Seahawks. (-800 points. Give up their #4 and package of two second round picks.)
Pick 10: Niners. (-1300 points. Give up #10 pick and first round pick next year, and maybe a third-rounder this year.)
Pick 18: Bears. (-1700 points. Give up a marquee player (Olin Kreutz?) plus mid-round pick.)
Pick 22. Vikings. (-1820 points. Give up a marquee player (Pat Williams?) plus mid-round pick.)
Further scenarios just start getting ridiculous in terms of what the Rams would have to ask for. And given that Mark Sanchez is probably a “1A” pick compared to Stafford, none of these scenarios is all that likely. The Rams are in a bit of a tough spot in this one, I think.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on Jan 23, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh.
leave it to detroit to screw things up not only for them, but for teams below them. with a new era in detroit, who the hell knows what they want to do. and now we (and they) don’t even have matt millen to bitch at.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
New Member Here
Life long die hard Rams fan. I’ve been reading this site for a few months and recently became a member. Keep up the good work, I love the draft talk.
I am extremely excited about the future of this franchise with Spags running the show. I feel I must say one thing though, I really hope we give Spags the opportunity to make this his team. What I mean by that is, I hope if the Rams go 6-10 in ‘09 and 7-9 in 2010 that we don’t give up on Spags and let him go because of it. Lets give this guy the time he needs to turn this franchise around.
by bdemartin on Jan 23, 2009 12:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
welcome
it looks like Spags is getting the opportunity to do that. looks like he’s got complete control over the coaching search, which is a huge step in the right direction to the point you make about him making this his team.
by VanRam on Jan 23, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and 6-10
would seem like a gift from heaven after the last two seasons.
by VanRam on Jan 23, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the welcome
I too would be pumped over a 6-10 ’09 season.
by bdemartin on Jan 23, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, welcome, welcome, welcome
all you new people, make your voices heard!
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Jan 23, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about final record, but we should go 3-0 at home against the division.
That would go a huge way toward rehabilitating the Rams and their fans.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on Jan 23, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If we did trade down,
would we get a future first round pick or a second and a third?
I have witnessed time and time again.
by srdmad on Jan 23, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
they need a first rounder this year
but they might be gunning for something further down, but still in the top 10 or 15 and an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder. just depends.
by VanRam on Jan 23, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It does depend.
How deep is someone trading up? If they’re trading up from the high single digit picks (8th, 9th), that’s completely different than someone trading from the high ‘teens. And teams can always trade away conditional draft picks in the future based on performance & record, so we’ll just have to see who’s interested.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
by 3k on Jan 23, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
(See my comment earlier in the thread.)
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on Jan 23, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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