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Rams deciding between Spagnuolo and Frazier

[Note by VanRam, 01/16/09 1:32 PM EST ] Jim Thomas from the PD confirms Frazier and Spagnuolo are the top two picks, with a slight edge to Frazier, for the Rams head coaching job. I suppose it's down to contract details (money & time) and role within the organization (i.e. personnel decision-making). Should have the answer in the next 24 hours.

Oh the excitement. With the interview wrapped up, fans are expecting the Rams to announce their pick for the team's new head coach soon. Could it be today?

Yahoo! Sports' Jason Cole cites two sources that say the Rams will name their head today, and that it's a decision between Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo and Vikings DC Leslie Frazier.

I'm not at all surprised by word that the decision is between Spagnuolo and Frazier. That fits right in with discussions we've been having over the last few days, based on bits and pieces of info trickling out of other organizations.

From a PR standpoint, today would be a good time to name the new coach. The story would be get lots of yak time on the football shows surrounding the Conference Championship games this weekend, giving long-beleagured Rams fans something to get excited about as they watch the playoffs. A clearer vision of the teams' future would then be the topic of the week with the Senior Bowl on the horizon for next weekend. It would dominate the week in the St. Louis sports market too (where the PSL buyers live) as the hometown Cardinals sit on their hands this winter and the mediocre Blues skating just twice this upcoming week.

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Which candidate do you prefer?
Frazier
71 votes
Spagnuolo
128 votes

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I like both guys!!

I think either one of them will bring a certain amount of toughness to the Rams that we most definately need. I will welcome either one of them with open arms. I’m excited for both, just knowing that 1 of those 2 guys will be leading us next year makes me very excited for the ’09 season. We all know that the NFC West is up for grabs and with some positive changes we could potentially be in the playoffs next year.

by bdemartin on Jan 16, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Giant's Fan View

Spags has been such a great coach for the NYG not only because his scheming has been outstanding, but it is the mentality he has instilled in their defense. He became our Def Coordinator at the beginning of last year and the first two games of the season we lost by big margins I want to say we gave up 62 points in two games. But he demanded that everyone buy into his system and kept on people, kept them involved and demanded more from everyone and the results were obvious. I don’t know much about Frazier other than his time as a stud for the Bears, but it seems like he has had a great thing going in Minn. for a while.

The question I have for you guys is how loyal is the current fan base of the Rams? Has their been a noticeable attrition of fans, stadium sellouts, etc…, over the last few years? I love in LA and the local media likes to pounce on any team that is having trouble as a potential relocation to LA. Rumors did spread here that the Rams may have to make a move out of St. Louis and if that is the case, or the perception, do you see that as being a hindrance in filling the head coaching job? (Just to be clear, I am not questioning your fan base. I am just trying to separate fact from media BS).

by losangelesmets on Jan 16, 2009 3:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good Question

I am curious to hear the answer from a fan in St Louis that may have a better pulse on the city and situation.

I am a Rams fan from the LA day growing up in SoCal – I have since been displaced but I hear all the rumors as well…

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by gorams77 on Jan 16, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The fans are fine.

Sure there has been a few non-sellouts the last two years, and attendance is down, but right when this team started to build a strong fanbase, everything fell apart.

First and foremost, St. Louis is blue collar and baseball. The Rams are definitely the second child in the city, and will always be, but they can be successful. I’ve written before that winning the SuperBowl was possibly about the worst thing that could have happened to the organization that was building a fan base. They sucked early, had a spike of success, started to slide and then became about the worst team in the history of the NFL for 2 years. Management was a disaster with infighting and chaos and drafts were bungled for about 5 or 6 straight years.

Simply put, the team hasn’t had the history in St. Louis to withstand such a horrible team. The rapid success of the SuperBowl spoiled a lot of fans and many of them didn’t believe the team could ever suck. But there’s still a solid fanbase, the rest just needs confidence from the management and the organization that the right people are in positions of authority and everyone is striving toward a common goal.

Honestly, it pisses me off when people point to the fans in St. Louis like there’s something wrong with us. Who in their right mind would support this disaster of an organization? I think those of us here at TST, for the most part, are holding out hope that things are going to get better. If the organization would have stayed the course with the same management in place, we would have lost even more people. But, instead, the new owner has made changes that we as fans see as more than a step in the right direction.

All we’re asking is for the team to meet us half way and it looks like it might finally be happening.

A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!

by Tackle Box on Jan 16, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there's anything wrong with us, per se....

But I do think we face a stiff challenge in building that core fan base of rabid loonies that carry a team from season to season, or generation to generation. And the problem isn’t that we won the Super Bowl too soon … if anything, that’s the only reason the Rams are still considered relatively ‘safe’ here.

The problem is a perfect storm of NFL stadium expansions plus luxury boxes plus TV revenue contracts plus escalating player salaries plus PSLs that came together 10 or 15 years ago, or roughly when the Rams moved here. The result is that it’s just too damn expensive to go to football games. When fans have to spend two to three grand on a PSL just for the right to buy a season ticket, they expect a playoff team in return. And if they don’t get one, they don’t go.

If we had a generation of fans that had already established “going to Rams games” as a family tradition, then there would be some grumbling about the increased cost, as there is elsewhere, but people would still go. But the economics of the game changed so drastically in such a short period of time between when the Cardinals left and the Rams arrived, that the casual fan base is filled with old football Cardinals fans that have a certain price point in their head, and simply refuse to pay.

I’m not saying that we don’t have a core, but that I do think it’s relatively small. And the massive middle-management cuts at A-B won’t help. In time, though, as the current crop starts taking its kids to games and breeding the ‘Rams Fever’ into them, it will get stronger and healthier.

It’s part of why I believe that having Marshall Faulk — perhaps the single greatest St. Louis football player ever, and a very smart, personable guy — officially involved with the franchise would be a huge blessing.

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Jan 16, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, and hire Spags!

(Or Frazier. Either is cool with me.)

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Jan 16, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's got the fan base to support the team...

But I don’t know if the fans have enough money to support it.

St. Louis is essentially a dying city Really, the city itself was dead long ago (see the movie Escape from New York for a fairly accurate depiction, it was shot here), but the metro area is also now on the decline. Pretty much all the major industries we had are gone, bought out by other companies who eventually relocated out. AB was pretty much the last major one, and it’s now InBev. (Well, we do still have Monsanto)

There are still some blue collar jobs and such, but much of the wealthier jobs have been moved to other cities (generally the headquarters of the companies that bought our companies out). It’s hard for the biggest fans to afford the tickets, and there aren’t enough of the casual, yuppie sort left to fill up the rest of the stadium.

I think it’s also hurt losing the two members of the Rams organization that really embraced St. Louis, Georgia and Jack Snow. Basically the whole thing is still run out of L.A., so it’s hard to really feel like they are the “St. Louis” Rams, when no one from the team ever is here or visits publicly. Faulk has started to fill this role a little, but he also is working on his broadcasting career.

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)

by DiscoJer on Jan 16, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan as lead candidate for Rams job?

Dont know where people get their info but ESPN just reported 10 minutes ago on NFL Live (right before Rome is Burning) that Mortensen is reporting Rex Ryan as the lead for the Rams job…

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by gorams77 on Jan 16, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

now word is the HC is

Jason Garrett…

hey, how did I slip in here?

I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds / PAH9

by erik on Jan 16, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute, this isn’t Pismo Beach? I knew I shoulda made a left in Albuquerque…

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Jan 16, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm

Gruden just got fired . . . .

ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE INTERESTED IN HIM BESIDES ME?!

Can’t they at least talk to him before they make a decision?

Wait a few days! Jeez

by Option27 on Jan 16, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've never really been too impressed with him.

I think his “lore” is much greater than his achievements.

A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!

by Tackle Box on Jan 16, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no thanks

i really like Spags or Frazier. I think that’s the kind of presence the Rams need on the sideline to go with the changes in the front office.

by VanRam on Jan 16, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand...

there are reports that Garrett is actually the guy.

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=600835

(See bottom of page 5, from BernieM, who says he might be wrong, but that’s what he’s hearing)

Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)

by DiscoJer on Jan 16, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gruden has to get an interview...

If they dont at least consider this guy, they are missing on an SB Champ… something I dont think the can afford to do…

www.salukihoops.com

by salukihoops on Jan 17, 2009 12:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Since winning the SuperBowl with Tony Dungy's team

He’s 45-51 with the Buccaneers.

With Tampa he’s had 2 good seasons. His first (2002), he went 12-4 and then followed that up with two seasons where he went 7-9 and 5-11. Then he rebounded in 2005 by going 11-5 only to follow up that success by going 4-12 the next year. Since then, he’s been 9-7 the last two years.

He’s mediocre.

He’s an offensive coach who has been coaching a team for 6 years that has a rather pedestrian offense and (when it’s had success) has been carried by it’s defense. He’s gone through about a dozen quarterbacks and can’t keep any running backs healthy for even half a season (except for Warrick Dunn who is a freak of nature).

A teenage boy with a sprit inside
Of a Samurai warrior who long ago died.
Now he's O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
O....O....O....O Oshikuru!
My oh My he's a demon Samurai
Who's the guy who had to die.......Oshikuru!

by Tackle Box on Jan 17, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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