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Rams vs Giants postgame, postmortem

Through fits and starts the Rams played a better game...until the 4th quarter. Hopeful signs were quickly squashed with errors, lapses, and just overall poor play. 

Right now, you have to ask yourself what's a bigger problem, the secondary or the offense? The secondary, in my mind, did everything they could to give this game away, even though the Rams had plenty of other problems. Right now, the secondary might be better not being on the field at all. After a breakout year in which he led the NFC with 8 INTs, OJ Atogwe got burned bad for a 33-yard Plaxico Burress TD. (He did redeem himself with a turnover in the third, only to have the whole thing undone). And he's not the only one. Read Tye Hill, supposed to be in the midst of a breakout year, Fakhir Brown, and Corey Chavous all got burned again and again. Hill, in particular, the Giants continued to exploit, throwing in his direction again and again. It was as bad as it sounds, worse really. When the Giants (rarely) found themselves on long downs, 10 yards or more, it was one easy pass back to another first down. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Rams secondary was not this bad last year. What happened? Trip on this for a minute: Ron Bartell is the Rams best cornerback...and maybe their best d-back period. Poor safety play also became evident in the long runs Giants running backs were able to break off...but that was just one guilty party in the whole affair. 

There's an article in the NY Times Play magazine today asking why there are so few elite corners and what it takes to be an elite CB. One aspect Champ Bailey talks about in the piece is the mental factor, i.e. the ability to get over a bad play. Right now, I'm wondering if Tye Hill's gotten into his own head. Hell, the rest of the secondary too for that matter. Something's not right.

The offense has a two-fold problem. The o-line played awful. C Nick Leckey looked out of his league at times. I suspect his play has been elevated in the preseason thanks to Jacob Bell on his left side, which reduces Bell's effectiveness having to cover 1.5 positions on the line. These guys just seem to lack to toughness they need to compete effectively. In my opinion, that's a factor that can be compensated for, to some extent, with leadership, call them out, motivate people to play above their ability - it happens all the time - don't play just to not get hurt. 

Four sacks in the first half, and Bulger looked like a hurt puppy, lost and confused behind the paper tigers in front of him. Blocking from the other players, TE, FB, and most of all RB has to get better too. Steven Jackson now makes too damn much money to not pass block better than he does. Many Rams fans have been saying that Bulger is done, and today I'm inclined to agree. 

Questions now turn to how do the Rams get better for next week, a tough game in Seattle. The question we really should be asking is whether or not the Rams have hit bottom.

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Should the Rams make immediate changes to the coaching staff?
Yes, this is unacceptable.
111 votes
No, not the right time.
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So many issues

My main concern is how to deal with all of the holes we have on the depth chart. Is it possible to deal with all of them over the course of a season and a draft? Sure, we’re all looking at bringing in a new coach at the end of the year; but that doesn’t address the roster. If Bulger isn’t part of the future, that makes the following positions of concern (at first thought): QB, OT, G, C, about 80% of defense. How can we possibly address all of this with a trade or two and a solid draft? My worry isn’t going into rebuilding mode. I can tolerate rebuilding. But usually with rebuilding, you can bank on the optimism of quality youth (of which I could only include Jackson, Carriker – who didn’t play incredibly well today -, and Chris Long) and the front office. I’m understandably worried.

by 3k on Sep 14, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply actions  

i think

they have to start with changes on top…let the attitude filter down.

there’s no quick fix. largely because past drafts have been soooo bad. we’re just now starting to get talent in place. Put LB on the list too.

by Ryan Van Bibber on Sep 14, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

LB is a definite

I just thought it would be easier to say “80 % of defense”, but we have a glaring lack of talent at LB.

by 3k on Sep 15, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

maluga?

ray maluga, USC anyone? He played dynamite against tOSU and the Rams would love to have a young athletic linebacker like him.

Rams Gab!
www.ramsgab.com

by jroman on Sep 15, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember when?

Just two offseasons ago, this team had less than half that number of holes and now were up to about 12 or 13.

Hopefully, Jay Zygmunt will be put in charge of fixing things again. I’m sure he deserves a 4th chance to see if he can do it.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Sep 14, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh my god please fire these coaches now

ones again, in two games the deffence of coach Hastlett has let up 900 yards, lol this is pathetic and the offence we have is a joke, every one should be fired on this team starting from the head coach down to the water boy lol what a sad sad day this is for Rams fans
James

by james535 on Sep 14, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

lets hire Jimmy Jhonson

its like you dont have a deffence on the feald , Haslett calls it a high risk deffence lol , and his right every time were on deffence its a rist they get a touchdown on us lol these coaches are real bad , as bad as they come, get Jimmy Jhonson out of retirement now and save the season ,after today i would fire every one

by james535 on Sep 14, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

LINEHAN

Linehan this team has no personality every since you took controll as head coach, i dont think i could do as bad a job as you even if i tryed , you have a team of wimps , this team that i have been a fan since i was 5 years old and now im 50, is the worls rams team in history, they are all wimps , pussys and they suck bad from coaches to players the hole team , i have never in my hole life seen a team fall apart like this before, and it started with one move , by not paying the money to get a quality coach, the second we hired Linehan the Rams down fall started and it will not stop untill he is gone
the rams fans suck too, for not pushing the isue to get him fired , no one cares no more its so sad to see that
James

by james535 on Sep 14, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Man that is hard to read...

Drunk? or just new to English?

Of course I'm right... I have a UC education.

by BruinHalo on Sep 15, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joke

How many times can our DB’s get burned. I think they might break some records this year. Where do we start with this team? I’m ready to rebuild but it may take a whole new team besides C. Long, Jackson, and Carriker. I really don’t think anyone else on this team desires to play football in the NFL anymore. I’m a huge Bulger fan but he looks like a scared kid out there. It’s not all his fault since the o-line is garbage but somebody has to stand up and take control of the team. We all know that it’s not going to be linehan. I can’t wait to hear Marshall’s quotes this week.

by ksmooth on Sep 14, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Bulger is ruined

even when he has time, he’s in a panic state at all times.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Sep 14, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes Bulger is done

too many hits and too much money in the bank lol he dont look like he wants to be in there any more the fire that once burned inside him has long gone , lets not kid our self, we need many areas to improove this team but we have to start with a good coach, that is how you start to bild any champion team
james

by james535 on Sep 15, 2008 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you have to clean house Monday.

Other than Special Teams, we don’t have a professional unit on the field – not linebackers, not secondary, not d-line (yet), not o-line, not WR corps (incomplete), not QB, not RB (yet).

At this point, you have to ask what we’re playing for. It isn’t a playoff spot. It’s a total rebuild for next year or two years from now.

In the meantime, the only way to save face with the fans is to stop BS-ing them with a coaching staff that was never built for success. The talented minds of football won’t come anywhere near a lame-duck situation, and that’s what the Rams have been for the past two years, with Linehan having to interview for his job on a yearly basis. If you wanted to lure, let’s say, the Florida Gators’ offensive coordinator, or USC’s defensive coordinator, or the next Patriots’ protege, you have to provide a guarantee of a stable working situation. These guys who might be the next generation of NFL minds to put their stamp on the league are savvy enough to stay away from the captain of a sinking ship.

I’m willing to give Al Saunders a limited mulligan – or maybe a Devil’s bargain. Make him the head coach, so there’s no doubt who’s calling the plays and who is responsible for the offense for the rest of the season.

Fire Haslett today. He was only ever out for a springboard position to get back to head coach, even if it meant stabbing his current head coach in the back. In his place … Mike Jones? Or, elevate someone from the current staff who might be able to at least get guys lined up in the right spots.

At the very least, you need a new staff in place by the time the Rams get to their bye week, so they can use those two weeks to assess and make whatever changes they can.

Hire Marshall Faulk to lead an ‘executive search’ for the next coaching staff. Admit to the fans that the guys in place for the rest of the year are caretakers, and be as public and open as you can with the coaching hunt. And if Zygmunt gets in the way, show him the door.

The worst thing Rams owners can do is assume that the Rams have already hit rock bottom. It can get worse, much worse — not on the field, but in the stands. The time to act is now.

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Sep 14, 2008 7:08 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Good Lord

This IS the worst team in the NFL. They are looking like the 80s Bucs back when they wore that orange uniform! There is not heart on this team at all. Scott Linehan is an ABSOLUTE joke. This guy couldn’t coach a pee-wee league team. And Jim Haslett has proven he has no business in the NFL either. Nice D Jim, let’s see they’ve only given up 900 yards in two games?! Why not save the players the trouble and tell them to ride the pine. Hell, as pissed as all of us fans are getting I think WE’D hit harder on defense than any of these wimps! Scott, please for the love of GOD, resign. You are WAY over your head. As far as this “team” goes, it’s going to be a decade before we see a winning record again. 10 years at a minimum and that’s going to be firing everyone and rebuilding the team on both sides of the ball. Un fortunetly, there are no owners that are going to invest that much time in the Rams. We are going to loose are fan base for the next 5 years and eventually they are going to sell this team. I don’t see the Rams being in St. Louis past 2012. And get ready fans, this season is going to be LONG, I’ll be amazed if we some how manage to win 1 game. 1 GAME!!!!

by J.C. on Sep 14, 2008 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

You know what's funny (at least it made me look a litlle differently at the situation....slightly)

On the ESPN NFL Countdown pre-game thingy, they asked the panel which coach was more on the “hot seat”. The choices were Monte Kiffin, Marvin Lewis (I think? but it really doesn’t matter) and Scott Linehan. Anyway, one guy picked Linehan (can’t remember who) but the rest picked Kiffin. Mostly because of Al Davis, and I can understand that. But what I thought was interesting, two of the guys (Keyshawn and T.J., I think) said they both would have picked Linehan but he was different from the other two because they both felt he was the only one who actually “wanted” his job.

And I agree with them, but I just don’t know how to feel about it. I can see it in him that he has pride about his job. He really wants the players to do well. I just don’t think he knows how (or has the ability) to accomplish that goal. And that’s really a shame. I guess we could have been stuck with a guy like Nick Saban or one of these other guys who really don’t care. Instead we get a decent guy, who does care, its just that he’s really bad at his job.

Sucks for everyone involved.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Sep 15, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

well said, TB

I never want to get lost the fact that Lenihan is from all accounts a decent guy who wants to do well. And being a lame duck, which is what he is, unless there is a miraculous turnaround, doesn’t help his standing with the players…we see this in sports all the time…if the players get any inclination that the coach/manager is going to be gone at some point, you can’t get any thing from them.

by tbell61 on Sep 15, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

IF WE HIRE A GOOD COACH NOW IT WILL TURN AROUND

WE JUST NEED A GOOD COACH GUYS, WE STILL HAVE SOME GOOD TALENT ON THIS TEAM ITS JUST THE PLAYERS HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE TEAM OR THEM SELF, WE NEED A TOP NOTCH HEAD COACH , I LEADER WITH PERSONALITY , THAT IS WHAT THIS TEAM IS MISSING , WE JUST NEED TO GET RID OF LINEHAND AND ALL HIS CRU , SAUNDERS , HASTLETT , HIRE JIMMY JHONSON LET HIM PIC A COACHING STAFF AND GET THIS BALL ROLLING
JAMES

by james535 on Sep 15, 2008 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Want something positive?

Donnie Jones and Josh Brown are F’n studs. Donnie Jones might be the best damn punter I’ve ever seen. And how cool is it to have Josh Brown bangin’ it through the uprights. It got to a point with Wilkins the past couple of years where I worried about every kick. I denied it, but I did. But this is a totally different feeling.

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Sep 15, 2008 12:57 AM CDT reply actions  

True, but...

It is fun having the former “Ram’s Killer” putting the ball through the uprights, but what does it matter? Our D can’t stop any offense from putting 400 yards of offense together. Even if Brown could kick field goals from 70 yards out and make them every time, we’d still be loosing games. It’s a shame that we have such talented players wasting their careers here. I almost want to hug Holt and apologize to him. Think of the records he’d be posting if he ever had a chance to catch the ball the last few years. Or the numbers Bulger would have if he had more than 1.5 seconds to scope out his wide outs routes. Well, at least I can sit around the water cooler and brag to my friends about how great our KICKING game is. Urgh, I feel like I just died a little inside.

by J.C. on Sep 15, 2008 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Thanks for shitting all over my lone positive…….

Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

by Tackle Box on Sep 15, 2008 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

My bad.

Sorry, not really feeling like a ray of sunshine right now.

by J.C. on Sep 15, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

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