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Talent vs Effort: Getting to the heart of the Rams problems

There's something of a debate emerging about the Rams current state and how the team arrived there. Talent, or lack thereof, versus effort. 

Haslett touched on it in his remarks yesterday. He defended their effort, blaming the collapse instead on the poor execution, i.e. the lack of talent he's got to work with in his current, unenviable position. (More on Haslett's postgame presser later).

In the St. Louis Post-Dispatch today, two columns, two positions. It's the Kennan-Lippman debate, Rams redux. Bernie Miklasz takes the players to task for their effort.

A team simply could not be more disinterested in competing than these Rams are. When you get pounded by the Bears for 201 yards rushing and can muster only 14 yards rushing on your 19 carries, there is one conclusion here: The Rams were physically overrun and didn't stand up to the Bears. And that has everything to do with effort.

Brian Burwell points to a roster left barren through years of neglect.

It's not about lack of effort with this team. It's about a frightening lack of talent from the top to the bottom of the roster, with a few new bright spots sprinkled throughout. This horrible season is the result of past failures.

Talent vs effort. It's a bit like the pointless Ford vs Chevy debate; both are now in Washington acknowledging their failure and pleading for a bailout. The Rams need a bailout too, the front office, the coaches, and of course the players. 

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Agree. The debate is pretty pointless.

But in reading Bernie’s column, I couldn’t help but be annoyed with it. To me, Bernie is arguing semantics. He and Haslett are arguing over the rather cloudy definition of the word “effort”. Really, how do you measure effort? It’s kinda hard. I’m sure Haslett is taking into account the week heading up to the game, the locker room atmosphere, and the pre-game drills while Bernie is saying “they don’t block, therefore they aren’t trying because you have to try to block……..therefore, no effort.”. Which I think is a stretch, to say the least.

Bernie even points out in his own column that the team is full of “losers and a thinning roster” yet he blames Haslett for not getting “effort” from these players when they can’t execute and for not making changes to the roster when there’s little to make realistic changes with? C’mon. They aren’t good. Period. As a matter of fact, a lot of them stink or have always had bad attitudes and lack of concentration.

You can’t make a pile of crap smell like a rose bush and that is exactly what Bernie is expecting. Management filled this roster with a lot of guys who either can’t play football very well or are more interested in their paycheck than their reputation. Those players need to be cleared out and it’s gonna take at least one offseason to disinfect that locker room.

Btw, Bernie also mentioned that Incognito was taunting the fans after the game. Does anyone know what he did? Honestly, thin line or not, they have to do something with him. I don’t know if you cut him, but his attitude is way out of balance. He probably needs to go, though.

Our country reeks of trees. Our yaks are really large. And they smell like rotting beef carcasses. And we have to clean up after them. And our saddle sores are the best. We proudly wear women's clothing. While searing sand blows up our skirts.

And the buzzards, they soar overhead. And poisonous snakes will devour us whole. Our bones will bleach in the sun. And we will probably go to hell. And that is our great reward. For be-ing the-uh Ro-yal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen!

by Tackle Box on Nov 24, 2008 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

It's hard for me to believe that he would actually be taunting fans

As I understand it, they were booing him, and he was trying to get them to increase the volume…not sure why he would be doing this after basically getting his ass handed to him, but I believe that was the case…if that counts as taunting, then he is more stupid than I imagined, even after the comments from last week, in which case he should be cut.

by tbell61 on Nov 24, 2008 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

I think it does.

He’s obviously being a smart ass and acting like he doesn’t care if they boo him, as long as their loud. He an idiot. My new nickname for him is BDR and if you’ve read any of my most recent comments about him, you can probably figure out what that means.

Our country reeks of trees. Our yaks are really large. And they smell like rotting beef carcasses. And we have to clean up after them. And our saddle sores are the best. We proudly wear women's clothing. While searing sand blows up our skirts.

And the buzzards, they soar overhead. And poisonous snakes will devour us whole. Our bones will bleach in the sun. And we will probably go to hell. And that is our great reward. For be-ing the-uh Ro-yal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen!

by Tackle Box on Nov 24, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Incognito

he was doing the cupped hand to ear thing walking into the tunnel. like an idiot. He just didn’t know when to quit with it.

by Ryan Van Bibber on Nov 24, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

"Talent" vs "Effort"

If you wanted to max out effort, without any talent, you could bring back the Pottsville Maroons. They were a bunch of hardscrabble Pennsylvania coal miners who decided to form a football team and then beat the whole damn world of football – including the best team on the planet at the time, the U of Notre Dame. In fact, you could re-create them by cutting 95% of the team, and picking the best 53 guys laid off from the Chrysler plant in Fenton. (I’d keep OJ Atogwe, and probably end up resigning Dane Looker by accident after mistaking him for one of the Chrylser guys.) They might not win games, but they’d never stop playing.

If you wanted to max out talent without any effort, clone the 2000 Minnesota Vikings, with the unstoppable Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss and Chris Carter on offense, and nobody home on defense. This was the core of the 15-1 juggernaut from two years earlier, a team that curled up and died in the playoffs against the Giants, 41-0.

"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz

by taiko on Nov 24, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

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