Is Donnie Avery the top rookie WR?
You know, someone said it in the comments a while back and it suddenly hits me: they were exactly right. We do give Rams rookie WR Donnie Avery some mad love around here. Can you blame us? He's exciting to watch, the speed, the skills, the zany end zone dance...and we're Rams fans, known for a soft spot for great passing and receiving.
But now that Avery's had a couple games to show his stuff, I think we can ask: is he the best of the rookie WR class? He's definitely one of the best, if not the best deep threats of the bunch. Let's go to the stats.
One caveat before we begin, Avery hasn't played as much as some of the other rookies. Most of his work has come in the last three games, since being elevated to the #2 WR spot. There are several WRs to compare him to, but I want to stick to DeSean Jackson, the one who burned the Rams pretty good in the opener and made it a point to mention his draft position relative to Avery's - Avery you'll remember was the first WR taken. Here's the list of rookie receiving leaders.
| Rec | Yards | Avg | TD | 20+ | 40+ | |
| Donnie Avery | 15 | 184 | 12.3 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| DeSean Jackson | 29 | 433 | 14.9 | 1 | 8 | 2 |
Comparing the two on numbers alone is tough for a couple of outside factors. First, Jackson's the top of the heap at WR in Philly; Avery's a #2 behind a future Hall of Famer in Torry Holt. Jackson's two catches for more than 40 yards came against the Rams and the Cowboys in the first two weeks of the season. Avery picked up his two long ones in the last two games, one against a good pass defense and one against a secondary missing its starters. Only Avery though scored on one of his long catches.
Right now, it's pretty subjective as to who's better. We do know that Avery owns an impressive skill set and it speaks well of him that he can even be considered one of the top rookie WRs not even half way through the season. We also know that the Rams choice of Avery was no mistake, even though the decision was quetioned by plenty. Another draft like this last one, and the Rams ought to be an elite team.
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Any new WR coming to this team has some pretty big shoes to fill. I think everyone is now hoping that Avery is the one.
The black spot is missing the bomb vs the Cowboys, if he made that, the stats would compare a little different to Jackson.
Then again, hopefully that will have been a wakeup call too, and we’ll see some more Max in his Q.
by mpire on Oct 22, 2008 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d hate to argue, but I think it’s fairly clear who the better WR is at this point. Jackson is ahead or tied in all statistical catagories and I have to also diagree that Jackson is “at the top of the heap” in Philly while Avery is your #2. In reality, Jackson came into the season viewed as our #3 WR when Brown and Curtis are healthy. The only reason he has been starting games is due to injury. Also, he has not seen the same amount of playing time since the Rams game. For some odd reason Andy and Co. decided that coming out of the shoot with two 100 yard games earned him less playing time… If you watched the Steelers, Redskins, and Bears games, Jackson spent a lot of time on the sidelines, even when 3 WR sets were on the field. Hopefully, for our sake, this will stop. Additionally, let’s take into account Torry Holt. Avery actually has the benefit of lining up with a WR that will draw the D’s attention… Jackson has no such luxury, as he’s already seen plenty of double teams an defensive scheming designed specifically to stop him.
I’m not trying to start a pissing match here, and I think Avery will be a fine WR, I just disagree with your means of comparison.
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by foos05 on Oct 22, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
that seems like a really odd decision to play him less after two first two weeks.
are they still using him on punt returns? Personally, I don;t like teams using top WR prospects for anything but receiving. why risk burning out their legs on punt returns when you get so much more value on O.
We really appreciate your comments/discussion on the matter. the truth of it is, it’s hard to say, not really an apples to apples thing, but that makes the discussion more interesting.
avery has a rushing TD too
by VanRam on Oct 22, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that seems like a really odd decision to play him less after two first two weeks.
trust me, you just echoed an entire city/fanbase’s sentiments right there. anyone can see that Jackson has a special ability to take ANY CB in the league deep, has good hands, runs diciplined routes and isn’t afraid to get hit. he is easily the most physically gifted WR we have. Curtis is more polished/professional, but Jackson is far more gifted. if you examine the Steelers, Skins, and Bears games, we had no deep threat because Jackson spent too much time on the sideline. this allowed the teams to play tighter and more underneath on us and severly limited out passing attack. Jackson made his re-emergence against the Niners, our deep game was back, and the underneath opened again (part of the reason Buckhalter had an awesome day).
historically, Andy Reid has an extremely reserved view of rookie WRs. given the speed and talent differential that rookies face when coming to the NFL coupled with the extremely complex offense we run, his view is that it’s better for the rookie WRs to play sparingly and learn the offense the right way. also, it must be noted that given our history with WRs, Andy approaches that position with kid gloves (see: Pinkston, Todd; Mitchell, Freddie; and Owens, Terrell); two first rounder picks that turned to dust, and of course T.O.. Andy needs to realize that this is a different player and that he can handle it.
the other issue that emerges is due to the offensive design. our offense operates of the premise of package substitutions for most of the game. in reality, our #1 and #2 WRs are only there on paper, and depending on what the defense is giving us, Andy calls plays that he believes will be effective, and these plays have specific WR packages associated with them. Andy may need to step outside of his comfort zone here and specifically leave Jackson on the field more. he is our second most explosive weapon behind westbrook and can’t get the ball while he’s on the bench.
are they still using him on punt returns? Personally, I don;t like teams using top WR prospects for anything but receiving. why risk burning out their legs on punt returns when you get so much more value on O.
yes, he’s still our PR, and i’m fine with it for now. I have a few takes on this for you to consider. first, you have to understand the history of our ST and specifically PRs. untl this year, we hadn’t had ANY type of kick return for a TD since 2003. additionally, we lost two games in the first month of last year’s season because we couldn’t CATCH punts. we muffed 4 punts in two weeks. so that’s kind of a sore spot for us and this addresses that. second, it’s kind of hard to justify taking him off the field for PRs when it’s highly likely that he can break a return for 30+ yards, or even a TD, until a suitable replacement is found. my exhibit #3 is that westbrook returned a majority of our punts earlier in his career while handling the RB duties and it seemed to work out okay for him. also, DeSean did play his entire college career as a WR and PR, so it’s not an additonal workload that he is not used to. however, I would make it a draft priority for next year so that we can simply make him a full time WR.
We really appreciate your comments/discussion on the matter. the truth of it is, it’s hard to say, not really an apples to apples thing, but that makes the discussion more interesting.
no problem. Contrary to popular belief, alot of Eagles fans are actually quite intelligent and football savvy and enjoy talking to fans of other teams, although I will say that we are very strong willed and discussions can get heated. yes we do have the winners that get out of hand, but you’ll have that. feel free to drop by any time at BGN. and yes, it’s a difficult comparison without having any proper means to normalize data, but we do our best!
have a good one!
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by foos05 on Oct 22, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by foos05 on Oct 22, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
booooo
i would think about rooting for the phillies and the national league, but they’re like the red sox of the national league. whiny fans and exposed way too often.
rays in five
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 22, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mad love
‘Twas I that made that “mad love” comment a while back, and I love seeing y’all keep it up! Donnie has quickly become one of my favorite players—LOVED that little endzone shimmy. Dude is SO fast out there and doesn’t play like a rookie at all. And I still think Burton is going to help us and become a Shaun McDonald #3 WR type. Our offensive future is bright!
by bigwood25 on Oct 22, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's been well documented here...
we all seem to be in agreement that the less we see of worthless Dante Hall, the better. Just don’t see why Donnie wouldn’t be used to return kickoffs with Hall (at the very least) at this point.
by bigwood25 on Oct 22, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A real discussion?
Mid-week?! I love it.
Jay Zygmunt, fire yourself.
by 3k on Oct 22, 2008 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They both have 1 Touchdown?
Of course I guess they should both have at least one more touchdown on their total. Then again, Avery was a victim of an overthrown ball and a penalty while Jackson was simply a victim of himself.
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on Oct 22, 2008 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson technically has two. One on special teams
by JasonB on Oct 22, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like to look at this stat
fumbles at the one yard line
jackson: 1
avery: 0
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 22, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson has 2
if we’re counting High School…..
Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me......with nothin'.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
by Tackle Box on Oct 22, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Updated Donnie Stats.
A toss from Marc Bulger to Donnie Avery for a 10-yard gain late in the third quarter Sunday has been ruled a backward pass. So, Avery is credited with 10 rushing yards, and his receiving chart now is four catches for 55 yards. Bulger’s revised passing stats are 13 of 18 for 163 yards.
PD Blog
so it’s 14/174
I feel the need to work “Donnybrook” into a nickname.
by mpire on Oct 22, 2008 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Royal?
How can there be no mention of Eddie Royal in this discussion?
I love Avery and Jackson but you’ve got to give Royal some love. He’s got 39 grabs for nearly 400 yard and 2 touchdowns and he was injured for a game.
Avery and Royal are probably going to be the two best players because I just don’t trust Jackson’s attitude. Time will tell. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents out there.
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by Zach B on Oct 23, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we didn’t trust jackson’s attitude either… but i think he’s going to be alright… he says all the right things, acts accordingly, and reports from McNabb, Westbrook and the coaches all say that he’s there early, stays late, studdies his playbook constantly and does whatever the coaches ask him to do wtihout question…
"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08
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by foos05 on Oct 24, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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